so, it’s like saying when you buy a Lamborghini/Lexus/Cadillac you’re really just buying a VW/Toyota/Chevy
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so, it’s like saying when you buy a Lamborghini/Lexus/Cadillac you’re really just buying a VW/Toyota/Chevy
Ok. So it is 10% beeter than a 6tf console that does native 4K but will most likely be rendering at 1080P. So, we are back where we started and with the same answer. Lockhart shouldn't be a hinderence to next gen development.
I thought the 1660TI and the 2080 Super were 2 different Archs.
If you're comparing 2 different archs that would be where your discrepancy comes in as XSX and XSS will be on the same architecture.
Nah. 1660Ti is Turing without the RTX.
Other than that both the 1660TI and the RTX 2070/S, 2080/S, and 2080TI are all the same architecture.
You're right in that there's not exact scaling between teraflops and resolution. Wrong to assume that this handpicked scenario is the one that will represent the scaling between Series X and Lockhart. I mentioned it before. Microsoft built in monitoring tools into Xbox One. It has had a lot of impact on DX12U. It's had a lot to do with the balance of Series X. No doubt they didn't just pull the Lockhart balancing out of their asses. Resolution and ray tracing will eat a lot of GPU resources. Until there's evidence to back up that they missed the mark and therefore Lockhart is holding back next gen, it's all fear mongering at this point. None of your examples include ray tracing into the scaling difference. Lowered resolution on consoles is more precise than simply dropping the resolution setting on PC. There's other things that should be scaled with the resolution on consoles.
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Their "monitoring tools" are probably the reason why they were pushing for a native 4k/60 standard, but Ubisoft has already defied Microsoft's standard with Valhalla only running at 30fps. I wouldn't put it past Ubisoft to have the game running at 1440p native trying to push for realism like a lot of developers are talking about now.
The Lockhart sku could be fine with most games. It only takes a few bad ports to ruin the console for many people. Especially if it's Starfield, Elder Scrolls 6, or GTA6. Many people that buy those games will only buy 1 or 2 games a year. It's a nightmare to have a Nintendo Switch situation with one of those games. And those are the games most likely to perform poorly on the lowerend SKU.
That's not even taking into account the possibility of extreme performance gains from near perfect AI Upscaling.
Calling it "fear mongering" is getting way too defensive. It'll be great value as a streaming console. I figure they will do something to localize hit detection using the hardware.
Those games were built to run on a system that came out in 2013 (1.2 tflops). Even then the games are often upscaled from 2k using temporal antialiasing. You are right, it won't hinder next gen development. I hope developers would sooner cripple the game on Lockhart than to hold back the real next gen systems.
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AC Valhalla is a game designed on last gen consoles, on the previous version of DX with no next gen optimization at this point. Really bad example. Lockhart gas nothing to do with it.
I didn't say Lockhart held back Valhala. I said that MS might have wanted AC Valhalla to run at 4k/60 on series x so that it scales down better to the lowerend SKU.
They aren't dictating anything to 3rd parties. Again you're hypothetical scenarios are possible yet highly unrealistic. Resolution and ray tracing help sell copies of games to people who buy the higher end console. Resolution and ray tracing are easy wins for developers. A sure fire way to lose sales is offer your game at 1440P/30 with no ray tracing on the enthusiast hardware because you're trying to add more geometry to a game. Other potential uses for GPUs, like a neural net, are hard to sell to enthusiast and can be offloaded to the cloud if a dev really wants to get innovative.
There's a reason most devs either don't have Lockhart or only started to get them recently. Microsoft wanted devs to target Series X and scale down. Assuming Lockhart doesn't get canceled, you'll hear more about that when NDAs are up in August.
No that Unreal Engine Tech demo was INCREDIBLE and it ran at 1440p/30. It did not use the PS5s ray tracing hardware at all. That will be a game changer if games look like that with next gen.
"Neural Net"? You mean the AI Upscaling? DLSS 2.0 definitely wasn't hard to sell to enthusiasts. They can see the benefit of having AI upscaling almost identical to 4k, but with much better game fidelity. It's the old checkerboard rendering that people don't like.
AI upscaling is just as appealing as the other DX12Ultimate features.
Yeah, I realize now it's far more likely than the Lockhart version of the game gets gimped than for the Series X version to be held back. Especially considering that the PS5 is most likely to be the lead platform.
Everything in that Unreal demo could be scaled graphically. There was nothing there in terms of game or level design that would need changed for the Lockhart. Devlopers aren't targeting 1440P/30 on the Series X with last gen lighting. The lighting used in that demo wasn't ray tracing but it was next level compared to this gen and can be scaled as well. If performance was such a low priority, then it will be a low priority on both systems with similar relativity. Just wait until August.
With the Series X being the lead platform I guess I don’t see the problem with scaling down? Why can’t they scale down to the Lockhart, PS5, PS4, X1X, XSX?
MS said the develop games from the top down, so all developers should be able to.
Or am I wrong and MS is wrong?
MS said the develop games from the top down, so all developers should be able to.
Or am I wrong and MS is wrong?
It might scale just fine. After dealing with the PC version of Red Dead 2 I just don't believe that next gen games will scale 1-to-1 like they are claiming. His argument was that Red Dead Redemption 2 was such an anomaly that you can't use it as an example but it was only unique because it was advanced for this current generation. With the next generation there will be more games with advanced engines that don't scale well on lower end hardware.
With Starfield Todd Howard is still trying to get vehicles to run on a modified Fallout 4 engine. That game's optimization on the lowerend Lockhart could be a complete mess.
It will hinder next gen development unless low to super low resolutions are the target.
Where did you see XSS specs and capabilities?
red dead redemption two uses the rage engine, originally made for their table tennis game
1:1? Maybe we're just doing semantics. When resolution scales, so does textures and lighting. Game design doesn't need to change. It's all visuals. That's the point. The only developers effected by Lockhart are those that were targeting 1440P, 30fps, last gen lighting in order to fill up the screen with more geometry. If that developer does exist, we'll likely never hear about it so this debate is pointless.
Well, its optimization will be mess on all platforms. It is Todd with a Fallout engine afterall.
Xbox Series S will be 'perfect' for next-gen games, says former Sony engineer
The Xbox Series S will be just fine with 20CUs, according to a console hardware veteran
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Xbox Series S will be 'perfect' for next-gen games, says former Sony engineer
The Xbox Series S will be just fine with 20CUs, according to a console hardware veteran
He said 20CUs is just fine for a portable system that runs some games at 720p. It was a very flippant response.
The PS5 is more likely to be the lead platform since the PS4 sold so many more systems. However, MS seems to be positioning the Series S to try and overtake the PS5 in sales by undercutting it on price.
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