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I've read on reddit some people weren't getting the game in the deal...idk.

Best Buy had a deal a month or 2 ago where you could get the console and 2 digital games for $299. Some of the games you could choose were the $100 and $120 editions like FH5 and WWE 2K22. I should've jumped on that deal at the time. I'm hoping for under $200 still.
 
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Those included games are terrible. The last time I saw a games bundle included with a console was when they ditched the camera on the X1 and included Assassin's Creep Black Flag and Unity for $299 which is when I caved in and bought one. I'm sticking with $199 for the max I'll pay for one of those things.
 

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Those included games are terrible. The last time I saw a games bundle included with a console was when they ditched the camera on the X1 and included Assassin's Creep Black Flag and Unity for $299 which is when I caved in and bought one. I'm sticking with $199 for the max I'll pay for one of those things.
Maybe this Black Friday they’ll have something that will have ya jump in?
 

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Doesn't sound like there is much of a contract between Microsoft and Sony for Minecraft:

"I will say, for things like Minecraft — which is my kind of go-to example, because I think we’ve run Minecraft the way that we would run Call of Duty if we were to close this deal — we don’t have a multi-year deal with Sony or Nintendo to put it on those platforms. There seems to be some notion that you have to have some long-term structure in order to continue to support those other platforms. We support Minecraft on those platforms because of how people should analyze this deal, which is about customers." - Phil Spencer

and it looks like COD is going to Game Pass:

"We are committed to putting these games in Game Pass, which gives people more options in how they want to go play these games. Nobody has presented to me a case that shows how Game Pass is bad for customers."

 
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This was a good read:

You mentioned not having a contract or a deal for Minecraft. We do have some reporting. Our own reporter, Tom Warren, had it that you promised Sony three years of Call of Duty. Sony said that’s not good enough. You recently have a quote that says, “You will have Call of Duty on PlayStation for as long as there is a PlayStation.” Which is a great quote by the way, because of the implied threat that it contains. I appreciated that.

It’s true. You’re like, “One day there won’t be a PlayStation. I’m coming for you.” I appreciated that about it. Have you made that promise to Sony, that you will ship Call of Duty on PlayStation as long as there is a PlayStation?


I mean, when I’m standing out publicly saying it, I would assume anybody at Sony would see that.

Well, they can’t hold you to that. I mean, they can’t take you to court because you said it. I mean, saying that to me in my show, it’d be great if they filed a lawsuit based on Decoder. That’s a huge win for me, but you have to write it down for them.

No, you don’t. That’s what I’m saying. I support Minecraft. I support the players on PlayStation who want to play our games like Minecraft. We don’t expand Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Legends out of any contract we have with Sony, but the contract we have with our customers. That is what’s important.

I understand in the optics of this deal that we might want to make — and I’m totally open to doing this — a contractual commitment to Sony for some number of years that says, “Okay, we’re going to continue to ship Call of Duty on PlayStation.” I’m totally open to that. No issue at all. This idea that we’re going to write a contract that says “forever” doesn’t make sense to any lawyer. There is obviously a business relationship between the royalty exchanges and other things. You’re not going to give up any ability to do what you need to do and the flexibility with the business in the future.

When I’m saying things like, “As long as there is a PlayStation,” there was no implied threat at all. I hope there’s a PlayStation forever. I do. I think PlayStation and Nintendo are great for the gaming industry. Hopefully I have been consistent in saying that. All I mean is that at some point you have to have the ability to run your business, and not just the console business. It’s not about pulling the rug out from underneath the PlayStation 7’s legs at some point, like, “Haha, you just didn’t write the contract long enough!”

There’s no contract that could be written that says “forever.” Our model is we want to be where players are, especially with franchises the size of Minecraft and Call of Duty. I think our Minecraft history is coming up on eight, nine years and it shows in practice how we will support our customers. That’s what I want to do with Call of Duty.

This idea that we would write a contract that says the word “forever” in it is a little bit silly, but to make a longer-term commitment that Sony and regulators would be comfortable with, I have no issue with at all. I do think there’s going to be a time horizon, just like anybody writing a contract would suggest there should be and will be, but it has nothing to do with any kind of “strategery” there. We think Call of Duty will be on PlayStation as long as players want to play Call of Duty on PlayStation. That’s not a competitive threat against PlayStation. That’s just a kind of pragmatic way of looking at it.

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"I take running a successful business as a very serious part of the job. We’re doing that today. We run a profitable business in Xbox. I love the different ventures that we have doing xCloud, Game Pass, PC app, and mobile.

I think all of that is important to build a long-term business strategy that leads to business success that means customers can bet that Xbox will be here today, it’ll be here tomorrow, and it’ll be here into the future. And that the teams that are working here can understand that they work in a stable place that is a long-term commitment from Microsoft." - Phil Spencer
 

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This was a good read:

You mentioned not having a contract or a deal for Minecraft. We do have some reporting. Our own reporter, Tom Warren, had it that you promised Sony three years of Call of Duty. Sony said that’s not good enough. You recently have a quote that says, “You will have Call of Duty on PlayStation for as long as there is a PlayStation.” Which is a great quote by the way, because of the implied threat that it contains. I appreciated that.

It’s true. You’re like, “One day there won’t be a PlayStation. I’m coming for you.” I appreciated that about it. Have you made that promise to Sony, that you will ship Call of Duty on PlayStation as long as there is a PlayStation?


I mean, when I’m standing out publicly saying it, I would assume anybody at Sony would see that.

Well, they can’t hold you to that. I mean, they can’t take you to court because you said it. I mean, saying that to me in my show, it’d be great if they filed a lawsuit based on Decoder. That’s a huge win for me, but you have to write it down for them.

No, you don’t. That’s what I’m saying. I support Minecraft. I support the players on PlayStation who want to play our games like Minecraft. We don’t expand Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Legends out of any contract we have with Sony, but the contract we have with our customers. That is what’s important.

I understand in the optics of this deal that we might want to make — and I’m totally open to doing this — a contractual commitment to Sony for some number of years that says, “Okay, we’re going to continue to ship Call of Duty on PlayStation.” I’m totally open to that. No issue at all. This idea that we’re going to write a contract that says “forever” doesn’t make sense to any lawyer. There is obviously a business relationship between the royalty exchanges and other things. You’re not going to give up any ability to do what you need to do and the flexibility with the business in the future.

When I’m saying things like, “As long as there is a PlayStation,” there was no implied threat at all. I hope there’s a PlayStation forever. I do. I think PlayStation and Nintendo are great for the gaming industry. Hopefully I have been consistent in saying that. All I mean is that at some point you have to have the ability to run your business, and not just the console business. It’s not about pulling the rug out from underneath the PlayStation 7’s legs at some point, like, “Haha, you just didn’t write the contract long enough!”

There’s no contract that could be written that says “forever.” Our model is we want to be where players are, especially with franchises the size of Minecraft and Call of Duty. I think our Minecraft history is coming up on eight, nine years and it shows in practice how we will support our customers. That’s what I want to do with Call of Duty.

This idea that we would write a contract that says the word “forever” in it is a little bit silly, but to make a longer-term commitment that Sony and regulators would be comfortable with, I have no issue with at all. I do think there’s going to be a time horizon, just like anybody writing a contract would suggest there should be and will be, but it has nothing to do with any kind of “strategery” there. We think Call of Duty will be on PlayStation as long as players want to play Call of Duty on PlayStation. That’s not a competitive threat against PlayStation. That’s just a kind of pragmatic way of looking at it.

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That's good as long as they honour what they say because it would be a huge missed opportunity of boosting their revenue 😬

I'm probably going to play it on GP though if it goes there day 1 because mouse and kb > controller for fps for me.
 

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That's good as long as they honour what they say because it would be a huge missed opportunity of boosting their revenue 😬

I'm probably going to play it on GP though if it goes there day 1 because mouse and kb > controller for fps for me.
Pretty sure it's free money to them. They already admitted that consoles cost them $100-$200 of loss. Trying to make COD 100% exclusive, and trying to bring over millions of people to buy an Xbox would cost them hundreds of millions or billions, lol.

I am sure that $100-$200 goes away in time, or even turns into a profit at some point. I wonder why MS is losing money on those if Sony is making money on theirs.
 

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Pretty sure it's free money to them. They already admitted that consoles cost them $100-$200 of loss. Trying to make COD 100% exclusive, and trying to bring over millions of people to buy an Xbox would cost them hundreds of millions or billions, lol.

I am sure that $100-$200 goes away in time, or even turns into a profit at some point. I wonder why MS is losing money on those if Sony is making money on theirs.

Hardware revisions ? We know Sony has been doing them and they are out in the wild but haven't heard much from MS side.
 

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But it's quite a big difference for something that only retails for 500 bucks, I'd love to know how, maybe Sony just went real aggressive with revisions. The difference is just weird for a lot of similar parts.
 

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That's good as long as they honour what they say because it would be a huge missed opportunity of boosting their revenue 😬

I'm probably going to play it on GP though if it goes there day 1 because mouse and kb > controller for fps for me.
All they have done is honoured what they say in regards to these purchases.