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I personally don't care about ray tracing cards. Which is why I didn't spring to upgrade to an RTX card right away. I will be waiting until next gen.

I care more about 144+ Fps.
And you are willing to pay that premium on hardware to get there.

They are also saying that the PS5's SSD is faster than anything available on the PC side. It's very likely that most developers will build games without even having load screens and some will end up doing ports to the PC just expecting them to have a highend SSD.

Once you have to skip a game that you were looking forward to because you don't meet the recommended specs because of your SSD those consoles over $500 will look very appealing.

Thinking a $500-600 PC or even double that in 2020 will put out better visuals than a 12TF XSX is laughable.
Yeah, the bargain PC market will be very treacherous moving forward. A guy I'm subscribed to recommended a 4 core 8 thread Ryzen CPU. That's absolutely ridiculous with consoles having 8 threads and 16 cores. Even now some games will already stutter on that CPU.

RDR2 has budget cards like the 5500xt struggling at 1080p. CyberPunk 2077 is likely going to be even more brutal on budget PC gamers.

We haven't even made it to the next gen yet. That's not even taking into account the super fast SSDs on consoles. And they are telling people they only need an SSD for the OS?

I got a 1660ti TUF only because it was on sale for $220 (it's usually $280). That's just for 1080p. I'd be very disappointed in it if not for it working with freesync now.
 
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So it looks like these *might* be the specs for Lockhart (the short version is it could put Lockhart in the 6-7+ range):

 
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And you are willing to pay that premium on hardware to get there.

They are also saying that the PS5's SSD is faster than anything available on the PC side. It's very likely that most developers will build games without even having load screens and some will end up doing ports to the PC just expecting them to have a highend SSD.

Once you have to skip a game that you were looking forward to because you don't meet the recommended specs because of your SSD those consoles over $500 will look very appealing.



Yeah, the bargain PC market will be very treacherous moving forward. A guy I'm subscribed to recommended a 4 core 8 thread Ryzen CPU. That's absolutely ridiculous with consoles having 8 threads and 16 cores. Even now some games will already stutter on that CPU.

RDR2 has budget cards like the 5500xt struggling at 1080p. CyberPunk 2077 is likely going to be even more brutal on budget PC gamers.

We haven't even made it to the next gen yet. That's not even taking into account the super fast SSDs on consoles. And they are telling people they only need an SSD for the OS?

I got a 1660ti TUF only because it was on sale for $220 (it's usually $280). That's just for 1080p. I'd be very disappointed in it if not for it working with freesync now.

I literally bought a 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 1700X for 150 dollars almost a year ago. CPU horsepower is cheap to come by.
 
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They are also saying that the PS5's SSD is faster than anything available on the PC side. It's very likely that most developers will build games without even having load screens and some will end up doing ports to the PC just expecting them to have a highend SSD.
Look at the date of the article - it was before pcie 4. And those are still almost 200 for a TB. I am still shocked either console is going to have one of those, and I still suspect they're going to do something custom with where the SSD is, maybe even integrating it more directly with the APU.
 
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The combo to beat a 12TF console in 2020
Won't be plus it won't have a UHDBR player.
12 AMD TF's isn't a huge amount of power in the PC world. The Vega 64 which is over 2 years old was 12.5 TF. Yea it's big for a console but it's not in the PC world, like I said a 2 year old GPU has more than that.
 

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12 AMD TF's isn't a huge amount of power in the PC world. The Vega 64 which is over 2 years old was 12.5 TF. Yea it's big for a console but it's not in the PC world, like I said a 2 year old GPU has more than that.
A custom built 12TF's GPU with built in RT would smoke a PC equivalent and do it for a much much lower price.
 

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12 AMD TF's isn't a huge amount of power in the PC world. The Vega 64 which is over 2 years old was 12.5 TF. Yea it's big for a console but it's not in the PC world, like I said a 2 year old GPU has more than that.
That's a good point. They are probably measuring Navi tflops using the old GCN architecture which would make the Xbox Series X on par with the Vega 64. Yeah, consoles have always cheated doing 4k/30. I suspect a lot of console gamers won't appreciate the 60fps at all.

Look at the date of the article - it was before pcie 4. And those are still almost 200 for a TB. I am still shocked either console is going to have one of those, and I still suspect they're going to do something custom with where the SSD is, maybe even integrating it more directly with the APU.
I watched a video from Redgamingtech that said that it would only cost MS/Sony $20 for a TB making them in house. And now I just saw another video that said the Xbox Series X SSD could actually be pretty slow.
 
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I watched a video from Redgamingtech that said that it would only cost MS/Sony $20 for a TB making them in house. And now I just saw another video that said the Xbox Series X SSD could actually be pretty slow.
I watched a video that said a magic carpet ride can take you to a whole new world but I'm not grabbing a monkey and running lamps. They have to source the flash from one of the few companies that produce it, plus add in the controller, and if that s*** could be done for $20 consumer drives would be at $50 or less.
 
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The combo to beat a 12TF console in 2020
Won't be plus it won't have a UHDBR player.
If you want a UHDBR player you would already have one. That's not even of value to me, I have 3 UHDBR players in my house.
 
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I have multiple so what?
If I spend $500+ I want a device that covers all my bases.
A $500-$1100 PC doesn't (in 2020) which makes XSX much more appealing IMO.
That's great that a console covers all of your bases. A console will never cover all of my bases, I use my PC for much more than just playing games.
 
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I agree. But it’s up to developers. Let’s hope they are on the same page.
im ok if it’s a locked frame rate at 30 for the cinematic approach and ability to pour higher visual fidelity. I wanna see how far devs can take it at those rates, granted it’s depend on the game too, definitely not fighting or racing games.
 

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Still lots of buzz about a potential Perfect Dark reboot...can’t seem to confirm anything though.
 
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im ok if it’s a locked frame rate at 30 for the cinematic approach and ability to pour higher visual fidelity. I wanna see how far devs can take it at those rates, granted it’s depend on the game too, definitely not fighting or racing games.
Cinematic 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
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im ok if it’s a locked frame rate at 30 for the cinematic approach and ability to pour higher visual fidelity. I wanna see how far devs can take it at those rates, granted it’s depend on the game too, definitely not fighting or racing games.
As an option, sure. I know I could give a scraggly tit whether a game is 60 or 144 fps if it consistently hits that, but other people do care. Let us choose what we want.
 
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I literally bought a 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 1700X for 150 dollars almost a year ago. CPU horsepower is cheap to come by.
You must be overclocking to get games to 144fps. How much did you pay for your motherboard? Your CPU cooler? GPU? SSD?
 

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You must be overclocking to get games to 144fps. How much did you pay for your motherboard? Your CPU cooler? GPU? SSD?
It wasn't for my machine, I think the mobo was 80 bucks? GPU was 180, SSD was 70 bucks? GPU cooler? 30 bucks? Could have gone cheaper with GPU, SSD, and CPU cooler but I wanted semi-nice things for my girls rig.
 
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