Zenimax Media/Bethesda

That seems quite arbitrary. Especially when those titles will be likely be next gen only and that gen hasn't even started. By these rules, Final Fantasy would still be on Nintendo.
It isn't arbitrary at all.

How about Xbox just sticking to what they say then? Wasn't it Phil Spencer who said exclusives aren't good.
 
It isn't arbitrary at all.

How about Xbox just sticking to what they say then? Wasn't it Phil Spencer who said exclusives aren't good.

I think you're taking whatever was said out of context. Honestly wouldn't matter what PR was said. They need exclusives to grow Game Pass fast. That became evident based on the mindshare numbers coming into this gen. They want to be everywhere but for now have to settle on driving people to wherever they can be at. You do that with exclusive content.
 
“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”
 
I only have a problem if MS makes long standing multiplatform games exclusive to Xbox. If they do a Minecraft it is all good. If they make Starfield exclusive but keep Elder Scrolls, Fallout, etc multiplatform it is all good.

See I get this from a gamer standpoint, but if Microsoft is in the business of GROWING their base making those games multiplat makes no sense in the long run.
 
It isn't arbitrary at all.

How about Xbox just sticking to what they say then? Wasn't it Phil Spencer who said exclusives aren't good.

I mean these are corporations.
If Sony doesn't stick to their mantra of saying 'cross gen isn't something we care about and could hold back PS5 development' and then saying that HZD 2 is being developed for the PS4 as well.

Why should Microsoft not be able to change their tune as well?
 
I mean these are corporations.
If Sony doesn't stick to their mantra of saying 'cross gen isn't something we care about and could hold back PS5 development' and then saying that HZD 2 is being developed for the PS4 as well.

Why should Microsoft not be able to change their tune as well?
They are, and they lie to us and gamers just dismiss it. Why are gamers so pro business and anti consumer?

We are gamers, we get Fallout regardless of if it is exclusive or not. So, why are so many so eager to have millions of fans who have played them for decades missout? It doesn't matter to us. It is also hypocritical because everyone would cry if it was the other way around.
 
I mean these are corporations.
If Sony doesn't stick to their mantra of saying 'cross gen isn't something we care about and could hold back PS5 development' and then saying that HZD 2 is being developed for the PS4 as well.

Why should Microsoft not be able to change their tune as well?

So is Spider Man Miles Morales. I think there was 1 other game that is cross gen that I can't think of.
 
“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”
MS will counter point with, "We're trying to get GamePass on the Playstation platform to allow you to play our entire first party lineup, but Sony won't allow it."
 
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Often things suck when you can’t partake for one reason or another, but c’est la vie. Seriously, acquisitions happen and it changes the landscape of things, but it isn’t a big deal overall, life goes on and gaming goes on.

I never got to play SFV or Bayonnetta 2, but ultimately it didn’t change much. If these games don’t go multiplatform moving forward, people can still have the option to play on Xbox or PC if it’s that important to them.

I think any argument that certain games should have remained multiplatform is also predicated on the assumption that the status quo would have remained in the first place had this acquisition not have taken place. If not MS, than any other company could have stepped in. Not like they forced them to sell, they were obviously seeking a buyer under the right conditions. Moving past the acquisition itself, it approaches telling both MS and Bethesda how to conduct their business.
 
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Why Bethesda’s Games Will Be Xbox and PC Exclusive

Once the ink is dry on the deal and all other previously agreed to deals have been met, Bethesda will become a true Xbox first party. Xbox wants you in their ecosystem, and making you come to them for Bethesda games is just one way they plan on drawing players in.
 
Often things suck when you can’t partake for one reason or another, but c’est la vie. Seriously, acquisitions happen and it changes the landscape of things, but it isn’t a big deal overall, life goes on and gaming goes on.

I never got to play SFV or Bayonnetta 2, but ultimately it didn’t change much. If these games don’t go multiplatform moving forward, people can still have the option to play on Xbox or PC if it’s that important to them.

I think any argument that certain games should have remained multiplatform is also predicated on the assumption that the status quo would have remained in the first place had this acquisition not have taken place. If not MS, than any other company could have stepped in. Not like they forced them to sell, they were obviously seeking a buyer under the right conditions. Moving past the acquisition itself, it approaches telling both MS and Bethesda how to conduct their business.

I know what I'm about to mention is on a smaller scale in comparison to what MSFT just did. But the highlighted reminded me of what Sony said when it was announced that Spiderman in Avengers would only be playable on Playstation.........."get a Playstation" if playing as Spiderman in the Avengers game is important to you. Its like someone over at MSFT took that sh!t personal and said "ohh yeah, then get a Xbox if you want to play Fallout and other titles".
 
Todd Howard and Pete Hines do not seem thrilled in that video. Said they were shocked and found out at the same time the rest of the world did.

Those two most likely have major equity in the company. They would have been apart of the process. I’m guessing he means the teams finding out. They both had Twitter posts ready to go the second it happened. Phil said it started over the summer.
 
“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”

That's why you can currently play all of Xbox' 1st party games on XBox, PC and Xcloud.
Those are 3 different ways to play their games.
They are not going to put their games on Play Station because there would literally be Zero reason to buy an Xbox then.
 
Sounds like MS are keeping them exclusive to Xbox and PC



"One of the things that has me most excited is seeing the roadmap with Bethesda’s future games, some announced and many unannounced, to Xbox console and PC including Starfield, the highly anticipated, new space epic currently in development by Bethesda Game Studios.”
 
“Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives,” he said. “I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my specific device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about. Gaming is bigger than any one device…”

This misses a lot of context. You don't need an Xbox to play their games. You can use your Playstation controller over Xcloud. That doesn't mean helping Sony to keep selling their plastic over Xbox. This argument was debated around that time and they cleared up that Xbox games wouldn't be coming to other consoles shortly after. In Microsoft's future vision, the Xbox app will be on your TV and PC. Enthusiasts keep sluffing it off but Xcloud on everything they can get it on is part of their vision. Sony, Nintendo and Apple said no and there's not much they can do about that....right now.

These games can come to Playstation if Sony says yes to Game Pass. I believe Microsoft still hopes they say yes eventually.
 
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