PS4 Pro discussion.

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TOPDAWG said:
Well that is a future fight I see companies having with ISP's. If people think ISP's who are also cable companies are ok with pushing TB's a data a month to users then folks are crazy. They want to protect their TV income and hate streaming I mean look at all the issues Netflix has had with ISP's. I still like owning my media too.

This full DD future is BS and ISP's and media companies are not going to allow it they want to make you buy the same movie on the different formats and isp's don't want you dropping cable and using an insane amount of bandwidth.
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Um...yeah.

What is PlayStation Vue? What is Sling TV? What is NetFlix, Hulu, Go90, etc? Whether you believe it or not, everything is moving digital and into the cloud. Just because some thing is one way today doesn't mean it'll be that way tomorrow.
 
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Plainview said:
Keep the digs to nil everyone. We've pretty much all said we had to about it. Continually harping on the Pro and Sony's decisions, that we've already voiced out opinions on, is being a bit trollish. We're better than that.
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Oh s*** sorry plainvew. Wont do it again.
 
mb1025 said:
That's not the point.

Any added features to the box and you have to sell the box for more to keep your profit margin the same.

They couldn't go over $400.00 because that would price them above anything Microsoft has.

The pro has upgraded components on it so it is irresponsible to say how cheap the new box is to make.
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They are selling the unit at a profit at $400.

“Sony is an electronics company. It’s what we do, we’re good at it,” he tells The Telegraph. “We’re good at sourcing components. We’re very happy with the price point, we make money at the price point and we always do our best to get the hardware out there at the best price.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...nys-jim-ryan-on-removing-blu-ray-and-the-fut/

As for anything their competition has, I'm not sure if you mean at the moment or the foreseeable future. If you're referring to the future, I'm thinking their competition's unit is going to be quite a bit more. I'm guessing about around the $500 mark, but that's another story.

Do you recall the 3DTV? Do you remember the amount of hype around them? Did Sony compete in that market? Where are those TVs now? All I am simply saying is just because Sony has a unit on the market doesn't mean that they anticipate it going anywhere. They have one of their own so that they can obviously compete with everyone else. When it comes to PlayStation, though, since the vanilla version, they've placed their bets on gamers first and media features second. Why is it so hard to believe that THIS time is any different: because their competition has one? I don't ever remember Sony stating that they would be implementing an UHD drive into their elite unit; it was ASSUMED based on what their competition had revealed -- kinda how it was assumed that Sony got the idea of a PlayStation 4 Pro because of something that was stated by Phil at a Microsoft conference. :really:
 
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pravus said:
So, you're sticking with the standard PS4, right?

Three things:

1) That picture isn't worth much of a comparison, considering it's tiny as all hell and isn't matched with lighting. It's in a dark cave where you barely see much detail.

2) That video is of the PS4 Pro version; that is correct. It claims to be the 4k version.... Take note that you are watching a watered down, low quality 1080p youtube video. This is not a comparison of the "4k" version Sony released compared to the Xbox One release.

This video is insanely disingenuous.

3) The PS4 Pro "4k" version would still be using the same graphical settings as the Xbox One/PS4 version.

If you want a reasonable comparison in graphical quality, you would compare the Xbox One version to the PS4 Pro in locked 1080p/30fps mode where it ups the graphical settings if you wanted to see a difference.

The PS4 Pro version has three modes:
-dank asf 1080p/30fps mode with upgraded graphics
-high framerate mode - 1080p w/unlocked 40-60fps, standard graphical settings
-"4k"-mode w/ standard graphical settings.

These comparisons suck.
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To answer your question, that's not why I presented those screens. It was to show you where all that horsepower would be focused with the elite consoles. So if you were expecting some HUGE change in game play just because you have so many teraflops at you're disposal, you're not going to get it.

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Its just a sharper looking version of the same game.
 
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Wow. I finally got around to watching the games at 4k on youtube. Yeah, that looks really, really, really good! Impressive! An obvious improvement!
 
Bellybama said:
Don't encourage him.

The correct way to do a comparison, as we learnt from the Witcher, is to pick a tiny, tiny tree in the distance, then zoom in 20x.

It's the only way to prove that a game is fun.
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Lmao! Wow....

Are we even discussing the same post? I think you have my message confused.
 
Shawn Jelsic said:
To answer your question, that's not why I presented those screens. It was to show you where all that horsepower would be focused with the elite consoles. So if you were expecting some HUGE change in game play just because you have so many teraflops at you're disposal, you're not going to get it.

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Its just a sharper looking version of the same game.
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That looks spectacular if real-time.
 
BDaddyK said:
I think by next year, the Pro (and whatever is shown for Scorpio) will be shown with high res texture packs and some good bells and whistles on (especially if the game being shown is running 1080P) that will speak for itself, vs the "vanilla" PS4/XB1 versions, on regular old 1080P sets.

I would think pretty early in the PS4 Pro's life (and Scorpio for that matter) that devs really haven't had the time to properly give the Pro aspects in their games much treatment.
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Yea, most devs are learning the Pro feature and how it works.
 
Did Sony release a list of Pro enhanced games yet? Seems kind of odd, if not. We are pretty close to release.

Then again, the whole thing seems odd, to me. I mean, why didn't they just announce these consoles at E3, especially if they were not going to change a single thing? It's like they set up a "special event", then said: "look over there!". They even picked the same day as Apple's yearly reveal.

I'm honestly not out to dog Sony here and I'm not mudslinging. I was either going to get a Slim or a Pro this fall, but between the price of the Slim and the shortcomings of the Pro, I never expected to be in a pickle.

Having gone back and forth on this, I'm leaning towards the Pro. I just want to see some games that show the difference this year, and on a 1080p display.
 
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It makes sense to me, it may not be the best choice for people who want an all in one 4K machine but I'd rather they make the choices they did and keep the price at $399 other than adding features most won't use and possibly reducing the size of the HDD or making us pay another $50 for it.
 
Bellybama said:
I wonder how this will change game distribution in the future.

If you don't have an internet connection, will the disc give you the full experience? Can they fit all the data/materials for the full experience?

Or will it be a massive download? I already hate having to wait for a game to install, let alone download the updates.

And I wonder what the list of mandates from Sony are. The game can't run worse on the Neo was one.
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Game distribution will remain the same as it is now. Games will come complete and asset download packs will not be necessary for the most part.

As far as I can tell, Sony are not even allowing greater assets on PS4 Pro. Which means the only real difference is output resolution. As for Scorpio, where greater assets are seemingly allowed, all assets should be on disc or in the download from day 1. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason for texture packs, etc.

As for if they will be labelled as pro or have there own boxes remains to be seen, and to be perfectly honest, I have no clue which way they will go.
 
 
 
 
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Bellybama said:
List of PS4 Pro 4K and/or HDR Compatible Games
RELEASED TITLES
UNRELEASED TITLES
From ign.
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Shame Bloodbourne isn't on that list, it is the only released game on PS4 that interests me.

Also, is a litte weird that Gran Turismo Sport is not on that list, no.

Anyway, I will pick up my Pro around the time Horizon: Zero Dawn launches. Game is going to be awesome.
 
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menace-uk- said:
And those were just upscaled. Now Imagine native 4K and HDR :wink:
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"PlayStation 4 Pro made its big debut yesterday, and Sony is selling it as a 4K gaming box. But most of the games the company showed were not rendering a native 4K image. Instead, you were probably seeing something closer to 1440p or 1800p. That’s quite a lot less detail than 2160p — although, for the Sony’s new supersystem, it doesn’t matter.

The PS4 Pro does not have the horsepower to render native 4K. Developers are already admitting that. Guerrilla Games confirmed that it isn’t rendering Horizon: Zero Dawn, its open-world sci-fi adventure, at the 3,840 x 2160 resolution that is standard for 4K. Sony itself plainly stated yesterday during its event in Manhattan that it didn’t want to make a machine that could fill all 8 million pixels of a 4K television set."

Mark Cerny: Brute-force rendering techniques can of course be used to support 4K displays, but they have unfortunate consequences for console cost and form factor.”
http://venturebeat.com/2016/09/08/ps4-pro-isnt-4k-that-doesnt-matter/

To put it simple, Sony has found a way to achieve 4K without the need of brute force or a significantly more powerful system, if you will. So unless you plan on sticking a magnifying glass up to the screen, you are not going to know the difference. Anyone else without their knowledge would have to render that screen native for the same results leaving fewer resources to be used elsewhere.

These guys are not a hardware company for nothing.

 
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Damn . I see bf1 is on that list . That's tempting right there since I will have the new console on day one . And bf1 is a pretty graphical demanding game . It would shine on the ps4 pro . Might have to cancel my pre order for bf1 on my Xbox . But that would piss the guys off that I game with on a regular basis. dammit .
 
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Entreri804 said:
Damn . I see bf1 is on that list . That's tempting right there since I will have the new console on day one . And bf1 is a pretty graphical demanding game . It would shine on the ps4 pro . Might have to cancel my pre order for bf1 on my Xbox . But that would piss the guys off that I game with on a regular basis. dammit .
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Gaming with friends > graphics. Also I imagine BF1 will be HDR10 and 4K upscaled on Xbox One S.
 
JinCA said:
The hard part for Sony (and MS next year) will be showing off what higher res and HDR can do without seeing it in person, you'll always have quality issues with youtube videos and most people don't have a monitor or tv that shows what HDR can do. If you listen to the report from Eurogamer the games looked noticeably better in person, it just doesn't translate well online.
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First thing Sony needs to do is outfit every gamespot and Best Buy with badass HDR 4K TV's with pros hook to it and plaster "seeing is beliving, ps4pro is for the players" all over it. Make it a spectacle. They need to play this smart.
 
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Kvally said:
Gaming with friends > graphics. Also I imagine BF1 will be HDR10 and 4K upscaled on Xbox One S.
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I just saw the enlarged version of your avatar, and initially I thought it was sexually suggestive.

But then I realised, you're empowering the community of mentally abled women. kudos!
 
That's just it - I'm looking at maybe 40-42" screens for my home office. At that relatively small size am I even going to really notice upscale 4k vs 1080p? For me I'm hoping more for stable framerates.
 
Kerosene31 said:
That's just it - I'm looking at maybe 40-42" screens for my home office. At that relatively small size am I even going to really notice upscale 4k vs 1080p? For me I'm hoping more for stable framerates.
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It doesn't matter the size of the display; its the technology that Sony is using inside their system is what makes 4K quality possible without having to rely on some super chip or beefed-up spec machine to achieve such results. In fact, they recommend a 60" at minimum for best results.
http://twinfinite.net/2016/09/sony-ultimate-faq-ps4-pro-60-4k-tv/

 
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That's cool, but I wish they had the plain PS4 fps for comparison. Although for a beta built that seemed pretty stable fps wise. I can't imagine vanilla ps4 is any better and may even be worse fps.
 
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