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$420 of the 223 million from March was from my girlfriends 11 year old son who claimed .... he did not know that buying vbucks for fortnite would charge his moms credit card on the Microsoft account . Riigghht! Lol. It’s to the point now kids don’t want to earn real money for chores anymore .they just want to earn vbucks for fortnight. Heh. I got to give it to epic . They know how to capitalize on a free game .
CDs sales have nothing to do with this...
They do.
CD sales were very profitable in 1998.
Traditional single player experiences were very profitable in 1998.
Listing singular examples of successful traditional single player games in 2017 is like reading a list of the top selling CD's in 2017 and saying everything is fine.
God of War is a dinosaur.
Fortnite is a mammal.
Sure, there will "always" be alligators and crocodiles but the age of the dinosaur is done.
Mario will still be going strong in 10 years Fortnite will be dead.
CDs declined because of digital sales. Physical game sales continue to be much stronger than digital so... point?
Those 10M + copies Nintendo sold of Mario just isn't good enough
Only 10 million? What a bomb.
Time to reboot with Super Mario Sunshine Battle Royale.
Yeah but is anyone Twitch streaming Mario? We all know that is the only metric that matters.
God of War 3 - 3M in 3 days
Mario Odyssey - 2m in 3 days and over 10m in half a year
Witcher 3 - 4m in 2 weeks and over 10m to date
Horizon Zero dawn - 7.6 million to date
Zelda - 9m to date
Final Fantasy XV - over 7m
Should I carry on showing how single player isn't dead?
Mario Odyssey - 2m in 3 days and over 10m in half a year
Witcher 3 - 4m in 2 weeks and over 10m to date
Horizon Zero dawn - 7.6 million to date
Zelda - 9m to date
Final Fantasy XV - over 7m
Should I carry on showing how single player isn't dead?
Fortnite will make 100x more money than Super Mario Oddessey when all is said and done. It will literally be one hundred times (or greater) more profitable than Oddessey.
In 10 years, when both games are dead, a new multiplayer game will rise and be 500 times more profitable than whatever the current Mario game is called.
The only way that trend doesn't continue is if there's a massive innovation in single player, which there could be.
You guys think only a handful of developers are studying Fortnites success right now. That's a mistake. Everyone is studying that games success. Everybody.
Not dead. Never once did I say dead. Don't get it twisted.
We're merely at the end of the Cretaceous period for traditional single player games.
Yes a new MP made by someone else. Meanwhile Nintendo will just keep raking in the dough because they don't need to chase anyone else's tail.
If you actually knew as much as you claim you would have been there from day 1 talking up Fortnite. How come you didn't see it coming? I saw it.
Well, now your shifting the discussion. This was never an Epic v Nintendo discussion. It was always about the future of single player in an increasingly multiplayer world.
Additionally, I actually was on the Fortnite train since day one. I downloaded the "cheap PUBG knock off" on July 27th because I was so enthralled with PUBG. It took me about 30 minutes to realize the game was special back in July. And who are we kidding, the Fortnite thread started waaay before Fortnite reached Pokemon Go levels of hysteria.
Your Nintendo comment is right though. I mean look at ARMS, Splatoon 2, Mario Kart Delux, Smash Bros, and Pokemon GO/Switch. Nintendo clearly doesn't see the importance of multiplayer right?
Some just see trends more clearly than others.
No actually it was about whether God of War was healthy
Wrong. Fortnite was just regular Fortnite back then.
Actually the real Fortnite BR thread was started the day it came out but it just wasn't started by some Johnny Come Lately who waits for Drake to tell him whats good.
Unfortunately some are just copy pasting old PUBG comments and just replacing them with Fortnite. You see some were saying PUBG was the best thing since Jesus and should win every award including the Oscars, Emmys, Tony's, and BET awards, because its just that good and that changed right about 5 minutes after it launched on Xbox and then it was "Fortnite game of the generation". I wonder why?
SAD
You're comparing a method of distribution to content. That's ridiculous. "Vinyl records aren't popular anymore, so rock music will cease to exist." Derp.
Some of your statements are accurate (although the observations are hardly new), but you bury it in so much cliche, sloppy generalization, arrogance, and foggy thinking that it's impossible to take what you say seriously.
What I'm trying to illustrate is very simple actually, I'm surprised you're having a hard time following along.
We'll move to your analogy to make things even easier.
Me: "Rock is dead. Hip Hop is taking over."
This is what many people said in the late 90s, early 00s.
You: "But Linkin Park sold 5 million copies of Hybrid Theory in 2001!"
Me: "Le sigh..."
You: "Plus, there's all these great rock bands right now. The Japandroids, Paramour, Titus Andronicus etc...Rock isn't dead!"
Me: "Rock is dead."
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Tetris, Minecraft, GTAV, Wii Sports, Super Mario Bros, PUBG, Mario Kart Wii, Overwatch, Wii Sports Resort, Pokemon Red and Blue.
What is that list? The top 10 best selling games of all time. OF ALL TIME. Look at all the new entrants on the list...all multiplayer focused titles.
Old is single player.
New is multiplayer.
You really think Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are looking at the success of Fortnite and PUBG and thinking "Oh good for them, now where we're we with our insanely expensive single player strategy?"
Of course they aren't. The whole industry is restructuring around multiplayer.
So when I say "Rock is dead", I don't mean there isn't always going to be a Titus Andronicus. I'm saying there's never going to be a Kurt Kobain again (or for the foreseeable future)
Single player is dead (dying)
I think it's just for the US amazon, if you look at amazon.co.uk or amazon.ca (Canada) their lists for 2018 are totally different. Also the Pro and One X aren't that far apart, the Pro is at 59 while the One X is at 61, there is also a second Pro bundle in the top 100 at 92. It's not really surprising that the Pro is outselling the One X given the price points, the One X was bound to fizzle a bit after the hardcore early adopters bought in and Xbox just hasn't had any "system seller" games this year, hell even last year.
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Huh? That's how gaming has always been, yeah dev times are longer but a lot of games also get story expansions now as well. There is room for all types of games out there, chasing MP trends is what's going to kill your game/studio not putting out high quality single player experiences.
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Absolutely.
Story expansions were one way developers and publishers could extend the profits of single player titles. The thing is, few if any, really set the world on fire. They were still expensive to produce and only a small percentage of gamers even finish single player games anyway. Uncharted Lost Legacy started out as DLC but shifted to a whole new title somewhere along the line. What did set the world on fire is multiplayer. So here's what we're going to get in the next 10 years. We'll still get those big budget single player games, albeit fewer and fewer, and most of those single player games will have a multiplayer component to them. I know that's already happened to a large extent but that wave is only picking up more steam.
Case in point. I fully expect CyberPunk 2020 to have multiplayer in some way. If it's not at launch, it'll be released after.
Thank God someone is here to tell us that MP is bigger than SP. Definitely would have never known that.
The Witcher 3 did VERY well for CDPR and it has no MP, the story expansions aren't anywhere near as expensive to produce when the vast majority of the assets were already created for the main game. If MP makes sense to add that's one thing, just trying to shoehorn it in to say you have it is another.
Ok, so it looks like it might be US-only. Interesting.
Learn something every day.
My other takeaway from this discussion is that we shouldn't put much stock in "current bestseller" lists, because they are based on hourly data, not on any cumulative stats over a period of time. So they're not very informative or reliable. They're going to shift around considerably, depending on when you check.
I've also noticed that they shift around a lot depending on who is checking. Kvally finds that Xbox is doing very well, and Val finds the opposite. It must be that Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
Let's get some time stamps on those quotes.
Let's go ahead and learn what past, present, and future tense is.
And we're going to go ahead and have you grab a few books on context...along with some material on the uses of parentheses.
Lol
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