Almost everything we do is sin brother.... hence the need for a savior
It's only a sin of that savior made it one right? so what's the point if he's just going to forgive you anyway?
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It's only a sin of that savior made it one right? so what's the point if he's just going to forgive you anyway?
What's the point of what?It's only a sin of that savior made it one right? so what's the point if he's just going to forgive you anyway?
Like I said, not much more specific than Leviticus. More words, because you're quoting all the surrounding text, but the level of specificity and explanation isn't any more. I'm clear he's saying being a h*mo is bad, because it's "against nature" (which we've already established isn't true).
Paul was an ultra Jew, a perfectionist in the Jewish law. That's where the belief is coming from. It's not like Jesus has ratified this. It's just the same idea, passed down through Jewish teaching/culture.
It was a joke, Val. I was poking fun at OT prohibitions. Don't get all high and mighty on me. Oops, too late.
I made a distinction between your real personality and what you display on the forum. I'm in a position to judge what you display on the forum, because I've seen it for years. I stand by what I said. You lack love and mercy, which are supposed to be what Christians bring to the world. You come across as dogmatic and rigid in your beliefs, uninterested in people's actual experience, historical context, or what we've learned in the past two thousand years.
If our "savior" created us just to test us and watch us fail constantly but is going to save us anyway what's the point of the entire thing? why not just have us pop up in heaven? why create a hell? why condemn those who are created to be flawed to an eternity of suffering because they don't live up to expectations that he doesn't seem to really have? Religious people don't even have their story straight, some say he's all loving, others say he's vengeful etc it seems like he's whatever the person wants him to be to prove their point at the time.
I am not against there being a higher power, I have no idea if there is or not but I sure as hell know mainstream religions and their holy books are man made BS. I love the position that so many take "well someone had to create all of this" and then you ask them "ok well who created god?" they give the convenient answer of "we're not meant to know" because that takes any burden of proof off of their shoulders and they can just spout their magical thinking with unearned confidence.
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Yeah, that was one of those moments that I wanted to "like" my own post, lol. She's great. That's Christina Hoff Sommers, for those who don't know. Everything I've seen from her has been on the money. She's great at pushing back against the PC/SJW/feminist crowd. Naturally they try to shut her down, but she keeps plowing ahead.
Just keep in mind she's 67.
Yeah, that was one of those moments that I wanted to "like" my own post, lol. She's great. That's Christina Hoff Sommers, for those who don't know. Everything I've seen from her has been on the money. She's great at pushing back against the PC/SJW/feminist crowd. Naturally they try to shut her down, but she keeps plowing ahead.
Just keep in mind she's 67.
Dang... *coughs*morethantwicemyage*cough and makes fist towards the sky* curse these socal fires....may those people be safe.
That's an easy one. PM me if you want the answer. I don't want to take the thread too far off topic.
Simple answer is he gives us free will,doesnt want robots....he wants us to choose him/life.
He always was.
Its much much more specific.
We never established its not against nature.
Again man is made in Gods image are you calling God a animal?
Paul wrote most of the new testament and his teachings are the most inline for this dispensation we are currently in.
Believers are supposed to do all kinds of things but don't...all come short.
Romans 7 would be a good read.
My character on gaming forums is just that a character.
I won't,shouldnt and don't need to say the good i do do.
Please do fill me in on what you believe, what you learned as you do claim to be a Christian.
That's a long talk, and this isn't really the place for it. The nutshell version is that I was an atheist/agnostic from the age of 13 to 35 or so, then eventually, through lots of reading and reflecting, had to upend my beliefs and acknowledge that spirit/soul and God were real. It took me longer to sign on to the belief in Jesus, but I eventually did that, too. However, I think a lot has been tacked on to Christianity that I don't buy into. I've read extensively, more than a hundred books on the subject, from a variety of perspectives. I'm scientifically and philosophically trained, so it took a lot to convince me. I'm not a cradle Christian who's never questioned his faith, that's for sure. I came in through the back door, in many ways, and my belief system is probably very different than yours.
I'd describe myself as a hodgepodge, idiosyncratic Christian. I absolutely would not fit into a fundamentalist church. A number of my beliefs don't fit into standard Christian teaching. I don't have all the answers, and I'm still working a lot of stuff through.
That's the short version. Like I say, this isn't really the place for it, and I don't want to drag the discussion too far off topic.
I think I've said what I need to, Val. I'll follow my own advice at this point and live & let live. Good to hear you're just acting out a character on forums.
Makes no sense, seriously. He creates us to be his reality show I guess, I mean c'mon you don't see the flaws here? He creates us and loves us and is forgiving yet he's willing to send us to hell to suffer for eternity if we don't make all the right choices? Choices he personally never told us about but rather has us rely on people's word who made up stories like Noah's Ark? Oh well enough of this talk, I don't believe in man made religion at all and I think it's a huge mistake for anyone to do that as it's giving the people who created this nonsense the power they craved (well the people who carried it on anyway as the creators are dead lol) Nobody knows what happens when we die, anyone who says they do is full of crap. I get why people want to believe in this stuff, thinking of our lives actually being over is scary, thinking of those we love not existing anymore in any form is scary but thinking people who hadn't figured out anything (even toilet paper) are the ones that had all of the answers just seems silly. I'm not against the chances of some sort of higher form existing, nobody knows for sure how we got here and I doubt we'll ever figure it out completely but just saying "it was magic" seems like giving up on even trying to figure it out which would be fine if all of that judgement didn't come along with it.
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I probably, really, shouldn’t say or get into this but....
Didn’t a good whiles ago the Pope come out and say something along the lines “my peeps, there ain’t no hell, we’re just like the Jews, we’re all family yo.”
...more or less, no???
Didn’t a good whiles ago the Pope come out and say something along the lines “my peeps, there ain’t no hell, we’re just like the Jews, we’re all family yo.”
...more or less, no???
OMG, Pixar (Coco, Inside Out) got it right, sorta....
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/pope_quoted_as_saying_there_s_no_hell
“There is no hell,” Pope Francis was quoted as saying in an interview published this week with La Repubblica founder Eugenio Scalfari — an atheist friend of the pontiff. “There is the disappearance of sinful souls.”
Francis’s reply answered the kind of question asked by many coming up in the faith: “What about bad souls? Where are they punished?”
In the article titled “It is an honor to be called a revolutionary,” the pope is quoted as saying: “They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear.”
In 1999, Pope John Paul II similarly rattled Catholics when he emphasized the eternal punishment was less about geography than separation from God.
“Rather than a place,” the Polish pope said, “Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/pope_quoted_as_saying_there_s_no_hell
“There is no hell,” Pope Francis was quoted as saying in an interview published this week with La Repubblica founder Eugenio Scalfari — an atheist friend of the pontiff. “There is the disappearance of sinful souls.”
Francis’s reply answered the kind of question asked by many coming up in the faith: “What about bad souls? Where are they punished?”
In the article titled “It is an honor to be called a revolutionary,” the pope is quoted as saying: “They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear.”
In 1999, Pope John Paul II similarly rattled Catholics when he emphasized the eternal punishment was less about geography than separation from God.
“Rather than a place,” the Polish pope said, “Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy.”
Lake of fire wasn't made for man.
Man chooses to receive the way to eternal life(a free gift received by faith) or eternal damnation. Their is no other place for those who don't believe on Jesus but the lake of fire.
Read first two pages and jumped here, seems only thing different now is jesus.
I think h*** h*** sapiens sapiens should do sex and love as open as non h*** h*** sapiens sapiens, which would include kissing in public as long as no obvious tounge. Honestly wonder if a straight guy getting sick with seeing two girls kissing is more gay than not getting sick by seeing man and woman kiss? Getting less sick by seeing a man kiss someone seems gay imo.
Also, why women don't like seing men kiss each other? Maybe because they feel inferior to a man and we men feel less inferior to woman because we got penises and therefore rather see woman on woman?
I think h*** h*** sapiens sapiens should do sex and love as open as non h*** h*** sapiens sapiens, which would include kissing in public as long as no obvious tounge. Honestly wonder if a straight guy getting sick with seeing two girls kissing is more gay than not getting sick by seeing man and woman kiss? Getting less sick by seeing a man kiss someone seems gay imo.
Also, why women don't like seing men kiss each other? Maybe because they feel inferior to a man and we men feel less inferior to woman because we got penises and therefore rather see woman on woman?
Clearly there are things we shouldn't do like kill, steal, rape, be cruel to animals, treat the planet like s*** and believe there are no consequences etc.
and hurting the temple...
Oh who's going to be the giver of these bad consequences for doing bad things?