DirectX 12 Coming to Xbox One

[Andy]

Why is this thread in this section when it should be in the multiplatforms? I see more information in here about the PC more so than the X1. Now we have a video in this page that is running on the PC using a Titan GPU.

Anderson

I haven't read the thread, I'm just here because you called me, but I'll give you my general answer. There is often an overlap between something that is console-specific and the PC. It happens a lot, for whatever reason. I don't really think it would be wise to try to move everything that also overlapped with PC to the MP forum. For instance, that would include Titanfall, a bunch of other games, and almost all indy games. As long as the subject doesn't overlap with other consoles, I think it works better to keep those discussions in the console-specific forums. That's the way I handle it, anyhow.

edit: But if you think the PC discussion is somehow getting in the way of the Xbox discussion, let me or someone else know. We can always pull the PC-oriented posts out and transplant them into another thread in the MP forum.

 

[Rollins]

Interesting part about the GPUs for both;

http://t.co/dR0HJGu0ot

"During the panel “Assassin’s Creed 4: Road to Next-gen Graphics” held at the Game Developers Conference, Ubisoft Montreal 3D programmer Bart Wronski gave some quite interesting information on what it took to launch Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag on next generation consoles."

"One of the most interesting parts of the quite technical presentation was the detailing of the performance cost in milliseconds of advanced next-gen effects like Volumetric Fog and Screenspace Reflections on the Xbox One."

"On a fully reflective scene with glossy floor and objects the performance cost on Xbox One is about 2 ms, while on an average scene it drops to 1 ms, broken down in the table below:"

"Wronski also explained that both PS4 and Xbox One have advanced GPU architectures, providing several custom extensions and capabilities that aren’t available on PC, but they’re based on the AMD GCN architecture, which makes optimization more complex that in old generation consoles."

 

[Hammerclaw]

It's the same thing that TXB was. Same members. Same mods. Just a fancy paint job. So if you were fine posting at TXB, you would be right at home on Union.

Not with that lame avatar.

 

[Hammerclaw]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Some of the people on here are fanatical, and if you are not praising the console, or you are merely trying to get the straight facts from a technical point of view such as why the ESRAM was put there or how fast it really is with direct analysis from Digital Foundry, rather than speculation that MS is a genius and the gap will close and we just need to wait for all the secrets, etc. etc., the same party will say oh you are just in here to downplay good news and you "fear the console" or you "hate MS."

It is easy to look like a Sony fanboy when you are put next to people who every week are always looking for "game changers" and railing against "the SDF." Some people smell blood and have a huge bone to pick over a toy apparently, which is why you can't have a reasonable technical discussion on here because of the emotional attachment to the darn thing.

Let some of them have their weekly "game changers" and I'll let someone else try and attempt to correct them. Fact is some of them won't listen. You give them a link saying DX12 is being developed FROM the console API (straight from the horses mouth) which anyone with a brain should understand should already be low level, and not the other way around, and their response is you are a fanboy who hates MS, because you don't believe in the tooth fairy.

You give them a link showing there will be a DX12 "performance increase primarily for PC's and tablets" (straight from the horses mouth), and their response is you are a fanboy full of hate and just can't handle the good news! It needs to be a "BIG performance increase for Xbox one!" DX12 needs to be a "game changer" and to "close the gap."

You give them a link demonstrating that the ESRAM is there because MS decided early to use DDR3, which is slow, and that the ESRAM, while speeding up the memory actually slows down the GPU (for reasons people should find obvious, i.e. that is 1.2 billion transistors you just spent on 32mb of memory that you could have spent on GPU processing units, as DF so eloquently and factually put it), and their response is you are a fanboy full of hate and just can't hand the good MS news! ESRAM needs to be awesome and "custom" and not "off the shelf like Sony."

As you can see I'm more interested in the technical discussion, which as you can see Jackie doesn't exist here because of the emotion and psychological splitting with a few. Note MOST posters here are totally reasonable but they are the more quiet ones.

Well, that rules you out.

 

[jimmyD]

When some people in this thread are saying that this is a huge game changer and will bring parity to the PS4 (in fact there is a post on the last page saying this will make Xbox one multiplatforms perform BETTER than the PS4!), we should be allowed to disagree. Heck, we should be allowed to disagree on the merits alone that MS never claimed any of that. And we should be allowed to disagree without being accused of "downplaying" or "hating good MS news" or "not believing MS" or in your case being personally attacked as having a big ego AND all of the above.

IMO It is absolutely a "huge game" changer because it will "close the gap" and enable xb1 to hit 1080p/60fps. Haven't you noticed that is the only thing that has mattered to the performance crowd? That right there will equalize the huge powah advantage SOME PEOPLE say exists. Then what when all pixels are accounted for? I'll bet we'll hear hype of games being rendered internally @ even higher Rez and frequencies and scaled down for our primitive televisions by Ps4 will begin.

I'm glad you're here to set the record straight for us who would like to here some good news about xbox1 for a change. To remind us sony = naveed.

Here are some other things "some" people have said...

Esram gimmick
Cloud hype
Dx12 obsolete
Tiled resources myth...

 

[Hammerclaw]

This article is rather illumiating regarding DX12, and points out avantages the XB1 and the PS4 have, believe it or not, over computers. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7889/...w-level-graphics-programming-comes-to-directx

 

[Hammerclaw]

I think the avatar is pretty sweet, Jackie Chan's stunt master is a pretty neat game. I should change it cause a guy witha bad avatar wants me to change my cool avatar


Well, I don't think I'll be back to this place, owner is a fanboy. People don't care about games here and they think they are better than others.

I only chose that avatar cause it's a bit goofy, funny, and from a ps1 game. PS1 visuals look interesting to me, and that's about it.

Not a lot of friendly people here at all, just a lot of bickering, and people trying to argue about which box has a bigger penis. Terrible for discussion .

Oh yeah, but you're above all that. R-i-i-i-i-ght.

 

[Variance]

And there you have it. Because we don't believe DX12 on Xbox one will be a huge game changer that brings parity with the PS4 (something no one, including MS, has ever said), that must mean we don't believe in DX12 on Xbox one at all! What a joke.

It's not about believing, its because the group as such "exception Ke0" know about as much as someone that can inhale wiki page upon wiki page. So right now, you're on the same level in terms of who is discussing the matter. Instead of offering up reasons or anything factual as to why and what you feel may be correct, you attempt to tear down and throw out other bullsh!t that makes zero sense. You've had 2 people who work in the industry correct you(whom also don't think or know it's going to make the One more powerful - instead feel it'll narrow the gap), yet you attempt to form a rebuttal after transcribing NeoGaF into an answer. KB's a student, he's about the equivalent of a ITT Tech touching my car and claiming he's a mechanic. I'd sooner let my 7 year old try to relay some information to me.

Simply put, relax. Stop trying to throw around your wanna be internet know it all sh!t, much like you did at TXB and try conversing and discussing. Then, let the Xbots show face and you don't look like a putz and a douchebag.

Maybe some of you guys should read this, also, which happened the day after the DX12 reveal:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7890/return-of-the-directx-vs-opengl-debates

OpenGL is no slouch (in fact it is faster than DX), and obviously gets worked on and updated also with time. Does this diminish the Xbox one and DX12? No.

YAY, let's use some commentary about the mobile world and apply it everywhere else. I'll take a ban if you see OpenGL usage jump drastically over the next year or two years. Gladly.

 

[Hammerclaw]

That's just the thing. No one (including me) has ever said there won't be an improvement and it is untrue. I take them at their word that there will be an improvement, but as they said themselves primarily for the PC and tablets.

And no one from the conference said "there will be a HUGE performance increase for the Xbox one that should bring parity to the PS4 which I guess won't see improvements itself, and we will no longer have to worry about frame rate and resolution differences ever again come 2015." Which is the way some people treat it. And since you don't believe what was not said (imagine that!) and you trust that BOTH console manufacturers will improve their drivers and tools with time as has always been done, you are just a fanboy who hates good MS news (not saying you do this Adam).

But don't worry, I am not really going to post here anymore so the misterx's of the world can let their imaginations run wild and have their huge game changers that change every week (which is a tacit reminder that these same people are not really happy settling for the Xbox one for what it really is, and that is a Radeon 7780 with a primary DDR3 memory pool, which will never be the same as a Radeon 7860 with GDDR5).

We have a different mindset here. In the previous Xbox generation, the console was periodically augmented and enhanced, whereas the PS3 had functions taken away over the course the generation, until at the end, the final model was a trimmed down, bare bones cheap knockoff of the original launch SKU. Xbox owners expect their console to be improved over the course of the generation.

 

[jsgiv]

Interesting part about the GPUs for both;

http://t.co/dR0HJGu0ot

"During the panel “Assassin’s Creed 4: Road to Next-gen Graphics” held at the Game Developers Conference, Ubisoft Montreal 3D programmer Bart Wronski gave some quite interesting information on what it took to launch Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag on next generation consoles."

"One of the most interesting parts of the quite technical presentation was the detailing of the performance cost in milliseconds of advanced next-gen effects like Volumetric Fog and Screenspace Reflections on the Xbox One."

"On a fully reflective scene with glossy floor and objects the performance cost on Xbox One is about 2 ms, while on an average scene it drops to 1 ms, broken down in the table below:"

"Wronski also explained that both PS4 and Xbox One have advanced GPU architectures, providing several custom extensions and capabilities that aren’t available on PC, but they’re based on the AMD GCN architecture, which makes optimization more complex that in old generation consoles."

just more proof that the first wave of games for both of these systems were merely ports with some of the "neat" stuff turned on... Otherwise the games were simply rushed, ported, and tweaked to run the best they could given the short timeframes to release...

the second and third wave of games beginning this year should show some significant gains once they upgrade to the latest SDK and APIs *and* have enough time to become comfortable with the capabilities these systems have to offer...

 

[TDbank24]

We have a different mindset here. In the previous Xbox generation, the console was periodically augmented and enhanced, whereas the PS3 had functions taken away over the course the generation, until at the end, the final model was a trimmed down, bare bones cheap knockoff of the original launch SKU. Xbox owners expect their console to be improved over the course of the generation.

That's right. It's all about improving the experience. Something Microsoft has always excelled at. They add features instead of taking them away. I enjoyed the PS3 but it was backwards from day one. It would have been nice to have PS2 backwards compatibility when i bought my PS3 but nope. Oh well, i guess.. I did buy it to play PS3 games after all.

Xbox One is on the right track. As long as Microsoft sticks with their vision and Kinect they'll be fine. They might have to make some tweaks here and there but who cares? They're advancing the industry. It's what they do. Why anyone would want features subtracted just to save a dollar is beyond me. Either get with the times or get out.

 

[SmilingDeath]

I like Xbox One and think DX12 will add some interesting features to an already great system. That is all, thank you and good night!

 

[TDbank24]

I like Xbox One and think DX12 will add some interesting features to an already great system. That is all, thank you and good night!

 

[DriedMangoes]

DX12 coming to Xbox One V.2 coming soon?

 

[Hammerclaw]

DX12 coming to Xbox One V.2 coming soon?

? Clarify.

 

[Rollins]

Alright so what games will show DX 12 stuff first? I'm betting maybe QB, but the big gun has to be Halo 5. MS's flagship title has to be a 'show-off' spectacle, agreed? Especially since it wasn't a launch title.
If anyone has access to the most recent dev tools it's 343i. Halo 5 will be like a DX12 advertisement.

 

[Mcmasters]

Alright so what games will show DX 12 stuff first? I'm betting maybe QB, but the big gun has to be Halo 5. MS's flagship title has to be a 'show-off' spectacle, agreed? Especially since it wasn't a launch title.
If anyone has access to the most recent dev tools it's 343i. Halo 5 will be like a DX12 advertisement.

I think Forza Horizon too... JMHO

 

[Jay Mammoth]

That's right. It's all about improving the experience. Something Microsoft has always excelled at. They add features instead of taking them away. I enjoyed the PS3 but it was backwards from day one. It would have been nice to have PS2 backwards compatibility when i bought my PS3 but nope. Oh well, i guess.. I did buy it to play PS3 games after all.

Xbox One is on the right track. As long as Microsoft sticks with their vision and Kinect they'll be fine. They might have to make some tweaks here and there but who cares? They're advancing the industry. It's what they do. Why anyone would want features subtracted just to save a dollar is beyond me. Either get with the times or get out.

I thought MS was "in danger of getting buried right now" thats what you posted a few hours ago on that other site.

"I think it's a smart move if Microsoft is doing an official price drop. Knock $50 off and you're good to go. It's really early and i love my Xbox One but there's no doubt that MS is in danger of getting buried right now. We'll see how Titanfall does for the One but it's not looking promising. Then again, it's a long generation so anything can happen."

 

[Jackie_Fhan]

Halo 2 (Halo pack HD) will be one of the games with DX12 features I'm assuming, maybe shown first or near.

 

[menace-uk-]

Alright so what games will show DX 12 stuff first? I'm betting maybe QB, but the big gun has to be Halo 5. MS's flagship title has to be a 'show-off' spectacle, agreed? Especially since it wasn't a launch title.
If anyone has access to the most recent dev tools it's 343i. Halo 5 will be like a DX12 advertisement.

Not sure how QB can since it is supposedly releasing before DX12 goes live.

 

[TDbank24]

I thought MS was "in danger of getting buried right now" thats what you posted a few hours ago on that other site.

"I think it's a smart move if Microsoft is doing an official price drop. Knock $50 off and you're good to go. It's really early and i love my Xbox One but there's no doubt that MS is in danger of getting buried right now. We'll see how Titanfall does for the One but it's not looking promising. Then again, it's a long generation so anything can happen."

Sorry, but i don't see what's contradicting about the posts. Want to clue me in? You're really getting annoying. Do you even have an account over at PSU or do you literally go there just to see what i'm going to say next? I'll make sure i make some more PS4 is the pinnacle posts for ya to really piss in your cheerios.

Time to get a life, ya think? I mean that is a picture of your daughter in your avatar isn't it? Good god, some of you guys are pathetic with your attemps to show that i'm some nutcase yet it's you stalking me on the internet. It's getting sad.

 

[Jay Mammoth]

Sorry, but i don't see what's contradicting about the posts. Want to clue me in? You're really getting annoying. Do you even have an account over at PSU or do you literally go there just to see what i'm going to say next? I'll make sure i make some more PS4 is the pinnacle posts for ya to really piss in your cheerios.

Time to get a life, ya think? I mean that is a picture of your daughter in your avatar isn't it? Good god, some of you guys are pathetic with your attemps to show that i'm some nutcase yet it's you stalking me on the internet. It's getting sad.

You don't see whats contradicting about saying MS is on the right track after saying they are getting buried alive? Wow okay. I've always lurked at PSU since buying my PS4.
I have an awesome life thanks, unlike yours trying to be king troll on videogame forums from your moms basement.
Get a girl or something.

 

[menace-uk-]

You don't see whats contradicting about saying MS is on the right track after saying they are getting buried alive? Wow okay. I've always lurked at PSU since buying my PS4.
I have an awesome life thanks, unlike yours trying to be king troll on videogame forums from your moms basement.
Get a girl or something.

 

[TDbank24]

You don't see whats contradicting about saying MS is on the right track after saying they are getting buried alive? Wow okay. I've always lurked at PSU since buying my PS4.
I have an awesome life thanks, unlike yours trying to be king troll on videogame forums from your moms basement.
Get a girl or something.

Buried alive? I said they're in danger of being buried by Sony if they don't do something. That doesn't mean i can't be optimistic that they will do something and catch up in sales. Why the hell do you care what i say about plastic consoles? You're really taking this personal huh?

This is the third time in the past few days you've harassed me. Two insults, one in a post and one in a PM and now you're stalking me across multiple sites but i need a girl? Okay, pal. I think you need to go show your daughter as much attention as you're showing me. Get your priorities straight.

 

[Jackie_Fhan]

What's the point of being mean to each other again, next you guys want to argue what? Who has the best mother, why can't you be friendly to each other

Edit* I see I didn't read all of what they said, it already went to their mothers, sigh

If you guys want to E insult another (not that it will get you far with anything) why not just do it via PM, that makes it so much more fun to try to type up the other.

 

[TDbank24]

That didn't make much sense but i've reached out to him in PM. Hoping he's okay. He's obviously going through something as he's been very aggressive towards me and others recently. I understand that his Wii U is getting crushed in sales and is often left out of the conversation but there's got to me more to it than that.

And i don't understand why he thinks i'm such a bad poster when i have double the positive ratings he does and we both have close to the same post count. So people seem to like or agree with most of what i have to say. I know, i'm not perfect and bit over the top at times in my enthusiasm but is that really any reason to attack someone? We're supposed to be a community. Here having fun and discussing what we love. That's the games. There's no place for this.

 

[Jackie_Fhan]

His Wii is getting crushed by sails and your a bad poser? Oh my, I'm going to go out and think over this news. You guys go enjoy your games and have a snack and something to drink. Hope you two can also E make up at the end of the day.

 

[menace-uk-]

That didn't make much sense but i've reached out to him in PM. Hoping he's okay. He's obviously going through something as he's been very aggressive towards me and others recently. I understand that his Wii U is getting crushed in sales and is often left out of the conversation but there's got to me more to it than that.

And i don't understand why he thinks i'm such a bad poster but yet i've got double the positive ratings he does and we both have close to the same post count. So people seem to like or agree with most of what i have to say. I know, i'm not perfect and bit over the top at times in my enthusiasm but is that really any reason to attack someone? We're supposed to be a community. Here having fun and discussing what we love. That's the games. There's no place for this.

LOL @ using forum rating as some kind of quality measure.

 

[Jackie_Fhan]

LOL @ using forum rating as some kind of quality measure.

I soemtimes rate everyone on a page, everyone deserves a chance to see jackie flash up in their alert's status, I like my own inside jokes I guess.. not so inside anymore. Rate this s*** please...

 

[menace-uk-]

His Wii is getting crushed by sails and your a bad poser? Oh my, I'm going to go out and think over this news. You guys go enjoy your games and have a snack and something to drink. Hope you two can also E make up at the end of the day.

LOL..."Sails" is the Wii U some new yachting hardware.

I soemtimes rate everyone on a page, everyone deserves a chance to see jackie flash up in their alert's status, I like my own inside jokes I guess.. not so inside anymore. Rate this s*** please...

Sorry, can not rate. Plainview is being stubborn about adding a negative rating system