do you feel bad about eating meat?

Joon said:
thats a really good point. i used that as an argument to myself to not eat meat: "i wouldnt kill it myself, so why am i okay with someone else doing it for me?". but i agree that that really just depends on what enivornment you have been accustomed to.

my line of reasoning at this point is basically: i do not need to eat meat, i prefer animals not to die or suffer, making and eating meat is a process of animals dying and suffering, so why eat meat?
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Well, you can turn that around 180 too.

Animals DO suffer. They pretty much exist to survive as long as they can, only to be ravaged by another animal.

Think of your favourite animals and how they most often die. Chances are they're killed aka murdered by the next big fish in their eco-system. Ripped apart by teeth probably. That can't be considered humane, and yet it's natural.

Best to just put it out of mind I guess....
 
I saw my grandparents slaughter a pig when I was like 9 years old. I couldn't stomach pork for a couple years. Im certainly a meat eater now though. I love steak cooked on a charcoal grill.
 
Well I've been vegetarian (not vegan) for about 16 years, so no :D But the choice to do so was more of a health choice, not a moral one.

But I hunted and fished almost every weekend with my dad from age 11 until 21, and I ate everything I caught/shot, so I don't judge anyone for eating meat or fish. I honestly think everyone should have that experience at least once though, just to have a greater appreciation for what you're eating. I stopped doing both when I stopped eating meat and fish, simply because I would only do so for food.

They changed the laws here so weren't allowed to use lead shot in shotguns anymore, because it was getting into the groundwater. So they switched to steel, and it doesn't have the impact power of lead, so when hunting Canadian geese, even if you hit them perfectly, they would often end up wounded. I'd have to chase them through snow drifts and break their necks with my hands (or use a flathead screwdriver at the base of the skull), and when you're younger that leaves a lasting impression on you. :/
 
No. Humans need meat! I'm not going to eat vegitables with soya sauce (or wtf ever vegans eat) for the rest of my life. The sole purpose of these animals is food!

As far as I'm concerned, every creature on this planet has a purpose. The purpose of a cow is to get slaughtered and devoured (also milked). What else are they good for? Pets?
 
Rez said:
No. Humans need meat! I'm not going to eat vegitables with soya sauce (or wtf ever vegans eat) for the rest of my life. The sole purpose of these animals is food!

As far as I'm concerned, every creature on this planet has a purpose. The purpose of a cow is to get slaughtered and devoured (also milked). What else are they good for? Pets?
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Elle-oh-Elle...

As harsh as it sounds it's the damn truth.
 
Nah, i love meat. grilled some carne asada for the fam a few hours ago.

Now contemplating whether to smoke or grill something this weekend haha
 
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Only people who have never starved can get so peculiar and particular about what they eat. Go hungry for a week and you'll be surprised how quickly the mind rationalizes your moral scruples away. I worked for a temp service at a meat packing plant that had it's own slaughteryard, and although an unpleasant experience, it didn't turn me against meat. I like meat. I like the taste of meat. My species evolved to eat meat. Without eating meat, the human species would not have evolved. I want to eat meat. Oh, and yes human beings need to eat meat, or a very carefully balanced vegatarian diet. What bugs me about some vegatarians is how they promote their lifestyle like it was a religion and a moral choice. They exalt squeamishness to the status of righteousness.
 
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I've never really thought much about it. Meat is good and we need food so it's a survival of the fittest thing. Hard to feel bad when you know animals would do the same thing to us if they had to.

Now what really pisses me off is those videos of animals being abused and tortured on farms. They feel pain you know. The least we can do is have respect for these animals who feed us.
 
TDbank24 said:
I've never really thought much about it. Meat is good and we need food so it's a survival of the fittest thing. Hard to feel bad when you know animals would do the same thing to us if they had to.

Now what really pisses me off is those videos of animals being abused and tortured on farms. They feel pain you know. The least we can do is have respect for these animals who feed us.
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I agree. I think a lot of the cruelty stems from a meat supplier becoming too big for their own good. Trying to streamline the process for top efficiency causes these suppliers to deem anything that isn't efficient a waste, a lot of which sadly leads to inhumane living conditions, and animals being given steroids to increase meat yield. Have you ever seen the type of chickens that are used by KFC and most grocery stores? They were genetically designed to increase the quality, and quantity of the meat. These poor chickens struggle to walk due to having shorter legs, and weighed down by their own steroid fueled weight. They mostly just lay on the ground flapping their wings to help themselves move around. Im not swearing off meat, but if given a choice, I would certainly choose to eat farm raised animals as opposed to industrialized animal meats.
 
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I'm sure it is not good for us all the stuff they put in meat now days and what they give the animals. Oh well I just love meat too much to think about it when I cook and eat it.
 
Tequila Shot said:
Well technically I could but I'm so addicted to eating meat that I can't see myself living the rest of my life not ever having it... Kah-peesh?
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yes, that makes sense :)

i havent heard of any physical addictions to meat, so i assume you are referring to a mental addiction.

Zer0beaT said:
Think of your favourite animals and how they most often die. Chances are they're killed aka murdered by the next big fish in their eco-system. Ripped apart by teeth probably. That can't be considered humane, and yet it's natural.

Best to just put it out of mind I guess....
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you are going to die anyway, so is it acceptable for me to kill you? just because it may happen regardless of your actions, does not then enable you to pro-actively engage that action. what do you think of that?

Plainview said:
Yes but I know it's necessary.
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necessary how? for you to be able to eat meat? yes. for you to survive? no.

i'm wondering where you draw that line

Hammerclaw said:
Only people who have never starved can get so peculiar and particular about what they eat. Go hungry for a week and you'll be surprised how quickly the mind rationalizes your moral scruples away.
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i dont believe any vegetarians/vegans advocate that you should starve instead of eating meat. the point is that, for a lot of people, it is a choice of whether you eat meat or not. it's not about necessity.
 
Just ate some homemade burgers for dinner. Delicious.

The ground beef is from a mass of meat at the store which is probably a combination of 100 cow carcasses.

Before I forget, let me just say "I am thankful to the 100 deceased cows for giving me the opportunity to eat two burgers. I would like to show my gratitude by saying you are all.... Delicious!"
 
Joon said:
yes, that makes sense :)

i havent heard of any physical addictions to meat, so i assume you are referring to a mental addiction.



you are going to die anyway, so is it acceptable for me to kill you? just because it may happen regardless of your actions, does not then enable you to pro-actively engage that action. what do you think of that?



necessary how? for you to be able to eat meat? yes. for you to survive? no.

i'm wondering where you draw that line



i dont believe any vegetarians/vegans advocate that you should starve instead of eating meat. the point is that, for a lot of people, it is a choice of whether you eat meat or not. it's not about necessity.
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I'll get back to you AFTER I finish my steak...
 
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Joon said:
yes, that makes sense :)

i havent heard of any physical addictions to meat, so i assume you are referring to a mental addiction.



you are going to die anyway, so is it acceptable for me to kill you? just because it may happen regardless of your actions, does not then enable you to pro-actively engage that action. what do you think of that?



necessary how? for you to be able to eat meat? yes. for you to survive? no.

i'm wondering where you draw that line



i dont believe any vegetarians/vegans advocate that you should starve instead of eating meat. the point is that, for a lot of people, it is a choice of whether you eat meat or not. it's not about necessity.
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I never said anything about vegans urging starvation on anyone. Don't put your words in my mouth. Learn how to read.
 
Nope and I enjoy every minute of it. You want to fight about it?:)
 
Hammerclaw said:
I never said anything about vegans urging starvation on anyone. Don't put your words in my mouth. Learn how to read.
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umm.. i said starve "instead of eating meat". that's perfectly in-line with what you stated -- which was that only people who have never starved can be picky about their diet , yet the vegan/vegetarian position has nothing to do with starvation -- it's about having a choice, and then choosing not to eat meat.
 
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