It's probably a fine line between features an gimmicks. To me, things like XMB and Snap I would consider features. But things like Kinect and Eyetoy I would consider gimmicks. But that is just my opinion.
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It's probably a fine line between features an gimmicks. To me, things like XMB and Snap I would consider features. But things like Kinect and Eyetoy I would consider gimmicks. But that is just my opinion.
But you see how it's all about perception? You see Kinect and Eyetoy as a gimmick, yet there are games that require them....making them, not a gimmick, because they are needed for those games.
Again, depends on how you look at it. Words have multiple definitions:
The above definition indeed applies to many of the features we're talking about.
I'll concede and not use the word gimmick anymore, and stick to features, as either way, it doesn't take away from what I stated.
I think they MADE a gimmick, and in order to sell the gimmicks, they made games for them :0)
I see. Since there are twice as many PS4 console than Xbox console, people clearly want that screenshot feature.
They lost ground by not selling more new gen console than Sony in either market. Sony is beating them in both NA and the UK and have been almost from the beginning. Let's just say they end up being really close or tied in those two markets by the time the gen comes to a close, that's roughly a 20 million lead they've lost over the competition gen to gen, if you don't think that's losing ground I don't know what else to tell ya.
And yet they are still doing better than any Xbox console before it with the Xbox One. So that is indeed GAINING ground. Even the PS3 was outselling the Xbox 360 every year through 2014, and the Xbox kept gaining ground. However, the Xbox One is not currently doing as well as the PS4.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion based on what I said. If anything, I said the exact opposite. I'm saying that one feature over another doesn't make the console better as fact, it only makes it better to the consumer that cares about that feature. And wanting a specific console isn't even always about a feature.
Meaning, many PS4 consumers may have prefer the PS4 due to generally better multiplats. Or maybe the controller. Maybe a combination of different things.
So you are saying because a gamer can buy a console for a reason other than a screenshot feature our simply buy a console for a combination of reasons, said gamer must not care about a screenshot feature. You know that is not a logical conclusion. Give a real reason for claiming the screenshot feature isn't popular.
Nice spin there buddy, it's very obvious that you're not really paying attention to what I'm saying. I am addressing the claim that the XB1 was the better console, because of said features. My bone of contention with that claim, is that "features" do no make a console better as fact, but merely, better to the individual that sees value in that feature. It's a point I've repeated several times.
Whether or gamers don't care about said feature, or don't care enough is irrelevant....point is, there's not enough "care" there to push them towards one console or another. (ie, PS4 gamers don't care enough about snapping to have them run out and get an XB1, and XB1 gamers don't care enough about the PS4 controller touch pad to get them to run and get a PS4).
I also never said a screenshot feature wasn't popular. I never said snapping wasn't popular. I never said any of these features weren't popular. That fact that you attribute those false claims to me tells me you're not getting my point.
Here, let's spin this around.
I don't understand how anyone would buy the XB1 over the PS4. PS4 having better games, better controller and better OS and generally better features makes the PS4 the best console to get.
Care to tell me what's wrong with the above statement?
Losing ground means losing it to the competition, they really aren't that far ahead of 360 sales anymore either.
3D is the most short lived gimmick I've ever seen. It's slowly getting replaced by VR and is more niche in the gaming sphere than ever before.
I never spun anything. You just aren't articulating well. And now you are on another tangent entirely. So don't change the subject. You called the screenshot feature a novelty, and novelty feature is definitely the opposite of popular, much-wanted, much-used feature. Actually the word you used was "gimmick," which is really just the same thing with no difference. So please, give a reason for calling screenshot features an gimmick. Or are you just trying to say that the photo mode in a particular game is a gimmick? Or are you simply saying screenshot features are "unique and quirky?" Please explain what exactly are you trying to say about screenshot features.
We have different interpretations of losing ground I guess. They are gaining ground by selling more than they ever have and getting more consumers than they ever have, even in the same time frame. But they are not selling as many consoles as Sony's PS4.
I've articulated my point very well, and have stuck to the same guns. I also conceded to the use of the word gimmick, and said let's go with features. Try to keep up.
Also, I'm not referring to any one "feature", so not sure why you're hung up on screenshot feature. It wasn't even screenshots that this topic stemmed from.
Go back and re-read the posts, maybe you'll see where I've mentioned my point. It has ZERO to do with the actual feature itself.
The problem here is that you're hung up on the word "gimmick" or this perception of what worth I find in any feature, when it has nothing to do with whether or not the feature sucks or is the next best thing since sliced bread.
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Well, your convo with someone else is completely irrelevant. I drilled you for nothing other than calling screenshots a gimmick, and you definitely knew it.
Maybe, but that was a little different in comparison to 3D. HD-DVD was more about the next generation of video/data disc storage and who would come up on top. I'd say HD-DVD was more a failure in a successful war if you will in comparison to 3D gaming. I mean, I suppose you could make comparisons to 3D and VR, but that's a little different as well.
For a guy who claims to be non-biased, he sure seems to crank out the anti-MS stuff. I'm surprised he didn't slip in a pro-PC comment too.
As for Kinect, who cares if MS released a standalone system later. Every company releases cheaper models and never will they divulge that to the public until the last minute. There were times MS and Sony didn't release the price drop at stores until the very day they announced it even though all the suits at the office were all discussing it and green lighting it months and months before execution. And all the retailers are in on it too, so they kept their mouths shut as well.
Any gamer asking MS, Sony or Walmart if a price drop is coming will get either "No comment" or "No price drop any time soon".... but then suddenly boom. A price drop announcement out of nowhere taking effect immediately.
Don't play the naive consumer card Qbert. You know exactly how pricing announcements are done.
If you're so well versed in PC gaming and naive to price drop strategies, go ask AMD or Nvidia when their new $400 gpu will come down in price to $300 and see if they will say..... "Yeah, we are dropping the price 4 months from now, so be patient and wait it out!"
If MS has more success with the standalone system why do guys like you get so irritated? You're a PC gamer at heart, so why you post on this forum which is mostly console talk is puzzling. There's lots of PC centric forums out there which you can join in the discussions of who has a better PC rig.
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Exactly, if someone doesn't like something they label it as a gimmick. Just tell us how you really feel. Some people like features and some don't. I have no idea why people hate on things that doesn't even concern them. Oh no, Kinect is going to be the end of gaming. PS Move killed my family.
Find where I promoted any anti-MS crap? You're right, I didn't slip in a pro-PC comment....and NEITHER did I put in a pro-PS4 comment. But hey, keep making stuff up out of your ass.
Saying MS pushed Kinect down people's throats isn't anti-MS. If you paid attention to what I'm writing in context, I'm saying that most casual gamers, the bulk of the consumers, mostly just want to game. You and I know that sales for MS started to really do better, once they removed Kinect. That is a fact. That's not pushing anti-MS nonsense, so stop playing the victim card. Last gen was the same thing with PS3. It was too expensive initially for gamers. PS3 started doing better when prices started dropping.
Me saying MS forced Kinect on us is no more anti-MS than me saying I don't like that Sony now charges to play online is anti-Sony.
It doesn't matter, but you're not paying attention to what I'm writing in context. In context, we're talking about features that gamers want, don't want, don't care about, or don't care enough about.
I'm not naive about it, nor did any of my postings lead to me pretending to be so. Not sure how you come to your conclusions, but then again, taking things out of context to spin it your way I guess would result in that.
I don't get irritated with MS success? I challenge you to find in any of my post history that shows that I don't want MS to succeed.
This isn't even really stemming from MS or PS4. This came about from me countering someone claiming that the XB1 was the better console....because of these features. I'm saying, that NONE of the platforms, INCLUDING PC (which I did say), are better platforms as a fact due to certain features....only better to the individual that sees value in whatever feature, add on, peripheral, whatever, that the platform has.
I'm a gamer at heart, and I've said on plenty of occasions that my 360 gets my most play time.
Actually, if we were to look at what I play the most, it would be 360 first, PC second, PS4 third. I've even stated in the past that the only reason why I got a PS4, was to play CoD games with my cousins.
Why do you bother trying to claim being unbiased anymore? We get it, you hate consoles. Oddly enough, you continue to play them more than your PC. It's like the best kept secret. PC gamers bash console gamers, yet there they are right along side us playing on consoles more than their precious PC. It's okay, we all have our preference. No reason to hide from it. I'd rather play an Atari than a maxed out PC and i'm not afraid to say it. I don't care about PC gaming.
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