Without a doubt.
On the X1 side of that list I'll probably own:
Halo 5
QB
Fable Legends
Crackdown
Scale Bound
Phantom Dust
Plus smaller indie/downloadable only games that come out throughout the year.
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On the X1 side of that list I'll probably own:
Halo 5
QB
Fable Legends
Crackdown
Scale Bound
Phantom Dust
Plus smaller indie/downloadable only games that come out throughout the year.
What I'm trying to say is that Forza games don't have legs because MS/Turn 10 likes to release every Forza games every two years or so.
As far as I know, MS likes to bundle Forza now and then. There must be a reason for it. My best guess is lack of sales. Why it gotta be forza? Why can't MS heavily bundled other exclusive titles like Halo or Gear of War. Maybe because Halo/GoW has legs. These games can sell on its own. Forza can't so MS likes to bundle it a lot. Same goes for Alan Wake so MS had to bundle it too.
I don't where you got your figures from because I don't think Forza 3/4 sold that much on its own. If that figures are true, it has to include bundles. Ex. Best selling Xbox 360 game is Kinect Adventures at 24 million. Don't tell me you think Kinect Adventures sold that much on its own?
I was looking over the PAL/EUR Charts and Forza titles usually fall off from top 25 charts after 4 months or so. Thats where most of its sales are since racing sims are pretty much dead in the U.S.
NPD for Forza 3/4 launch numbers wasn't that impressive at all. I recalled mostly everybody (even myself) at Neogaf NPD thread was stunned to see Dark Souls outsold Forza 4.
Just to let you know Horizon 2 did not chart at all last week in PAL/EUR Charts. What does that tells you? Forza can't sell on its own. You know whats f up? DriveClub charted.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=942742
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=556166
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If two year dev cycles are the cause for this supposed lack of selling power, why do games Like Gears of war, Uncharted, etc, sell well with the same release schedules ? Why does a series like COD sell 20+ million every year ? your logic is seriously flawed, IMO.
Did MS pack it in ? I recall no mention of Horizon 2 official deals, or did retailers do it ? I guess, going by your logic, GTA can not sell either cause it was a PS4 bundle. I guess FIFA 15 can't sell either. Guess Dragon Age can not sell either since it did not chart, yet the publisher/devs are very pleased with its performance. Why, digital. Digitial sales are growing pretty quickly. Using retail charts as they are now is a little futile. MS also has the sharing feature which no doubt affects sales, especially for exclusive titles.
Those games you mentioned are they heavily packed throughout the year (I also even mentioned it at TXB) as a free game or whatever like the way Forza series are? I don't think so. I'm sure GTA/FIFA bundle are limited/special edition made specific just for the holiday season or whatever. Here in Los Angeles, you probably won't find them in-store after the holidays or next year. By then Sony has a new bundle out with a different game. However, I can walk into Walmart/Costco/Bestbuy and buy a Xbox console that includes a pack-in Forza game next day, next week, next month, 3 months later, 6 months later, next year and so on. Why does MS likes to include a Forza game all the time? I want to know the reason for it.
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You mean why can't it be GT5 too? Over 10 million sales bundled lol. Halo Reach and H4 were bundled with over 9 million sales each. Explain it marketing guy.
Forza 2 did 4 million with no bundles, what downplay do you have to that? I'm still waiting. If the series can do those numbers everytime that's not bad at all. Forza 5 was a launch game lol, and FH2 still with the very small xb1 base isn't surprising.
Btw why are you comparing a multiplatform title in dark souls to Forza?
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So because you don't know something you simply made up an answer, an answer you have failed to prove.
You mean why can't it be GT5 too? Over 10 million sales bundled lol. Halo Reach and H4 were bundled with over 9 million sales each. Explain it marketing guy.
Forza 2 did 4 million with no bundles, what downplay do you have to that? I'm still waiting. If the series can do those numbers everytime that's not bad at all. Forza 5 was a launch game lol, and FH2 still with the very small xb1 base isn't surprising.
Btw why are you comparing a multiplatform title in dark souls to Forza?
Of course GT5 includes bundles. It was heavily bundled during the holidays in Europe. Where did I say GT5 did not include sales from bundle?
However, GT5 can sell on its own. Look at PAL Charts/EURO charts. GT5 charted throughout the year. In fact, GT5 still charted at some countries a month before GT6 was out.
I'm 100% sure when i bought my first Xbox 360, it came with Forza 2 and Marvel Game or something like that.
Why Dark Souls? Because I was f***ing surprised. NeoGaf and TXB members were like WTF and FYeah at the same time! Dark Souls did what less than 500K multi I recalled so Forza 4 was estimated between 200K to 300K. Most likely the PS3 version outsold Forza 4 that month.
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Well I don't know. I don't live in UK or Europe. You tell me that. For sure, those games you said are not heavily bundled throughout the year in the States as far as I know. Why I know? I'm constantly on slickdeals (10 years+ member) and cheapassgamers (10+ years member).
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You didn't say it wasn't bundled. It just completely mutes your whole point in your previous post, if you can't understand why you need to reread that post.
This is the only thing I saw about Forza 2 and bundles, and it wasn't console bundled in my searches http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/forza-2-and-marvel-alliance-bundle/67438
I still don't understand your point though. Forza 2 sold near the other Forza games without a bundle so that muted your point until you prove otherwise, and when you do it still doesn't matter because successful and "unsuccessful" games are bundled so that blurs your point even more. So can we downplay GT5 numbers a little bit because it was bundle or no?
But its ok to use bundles as an excuse for Forza games selling well, but we absolutely have to use the next gen as an excuse for GT6 sales right? Just making sure we have our excuses in order.
COD is, and instead of FIFA you got Madden.
Your theories surrounding the Forza series and bundles are seriously flawed, just accept it and move on.
It definitely looks good!! Rise of the Tomb Raider and Halo 5 are big ones for me. Some of those are confirmed for earlier in the year though, where I am more talking about the fall. So we'll see, my point is just that fall 2014 was awesome, and I'm not sold that 2015 will necessarily be better yet.
Like I said, Alien Isolation, Far Cry 4, Sunset Overdrive, Shadow of Mordor, Destiny (pre-level 20) all delivered great gaming experiences IMO, and that's not even considering the games I didn't play like Dragon Age, Halo Collection, Assassins Creed Unity, and GTA. That's a tough combo of games to beat!
Where are you getting your figures from especially for 2? It looks like you are using VGChartz numbers.
Yup I was right. It did come with Forza 2 and Marvel when I first got my 360.
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/xbox...vel-ultimate-allianceforza-2-bundle-26018387/
Nobody knows how much GT6 sold so far because polyphony doesn't post figures anymore on their site as of March 2013. So where are you getting the numbers from?
http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html
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Never heard of that bundle, and a forum link about it is hardly proof, even still if you did have proof, that doesn't prove much, it just proves you don't know how much they sold.
Sure the new consoles had an impact, but not on powerhouse franchies, COD for example sold over 9 million on ps3 alone, with the same game on the new consoles whereas GT6 was completely exclusive and did much, much less. Idk, maybe GT6 was a success like COD and all those numbers are lies and GT is still a powerhouse, but I think after GT5, that has changed.
So your saying I can still buy PS4 or X1 FIFA 15/COD AW/Madden 15 bundle from any online retailer and retail stores 6 months later?
My theroies? I'm not only one man. Search google and flip through the GAF links I posted. Other suggested the Forza series is
greatly helped by the bundles.
Where are you getting your figures for Forza from? You haven't answer that.
WTF! I got Marvel and Forza 2 with it.
You mean why can't it be GT5 too? Over 10 million sales bundled lol. Halo Reach and H4 were bundled with over 9 million sales each. Explain it marketing guy.
Forza 2 did 4 million with no bundles, what downplay do you have to that? I'm still waiting. If the series can do those numbers everytime that's not bad at all. Forza 5 was a launch game lol, and FH2 still with the very small xb1 base isn't surprising.
Btw why are you comparing a multiplatform title in dark souls to Forza?
So what's the numbers then? You are downplaying Forza with bundles but with GT5 it doesn't count? I'm still not understanding. I told you even if you could prove it, so I'm not shocked at all it was a bundle, half the exclusives are. So again, what is your point that a game like GT5 sold well with 6 years of hype?
Also when was that bundle released?
Also when was that bundle released?
I don't know. Thats why I asked you for it like 2 times already and you keep on dodging it. YOU posted the numbers so I want links for it. I tried looking it up but I don't where are you getting from. Your figures for Forza 3 and Forza 2 closely match VGCHARTZ figures.
You already said VGCHARTZ, that's the only figure I could find at all. You originally said no forza games sell well so I'm not understanding where you got your idea about that.
Also what was your whole point about bundles, it makes no sense. Forza has no legs=needs bundles. Yet games that sell well also have bundles ALL the time, so wtf does that even mean? You dodged that, now explain.
Also when was that bundle released...again?
A blog post? Seems like no credible source and just random rumours being posted on that site.
Could be. I am just going by that link, which Rollins posted. That source has other ones correct.
Really don't know why Horizon is getting so much hate, freaking awesome game.
Because it's selling well it's rated well and it's fun as hell and it's on Xbox.
Fixed.
No waiting for greatness when it comes to driving games on xb1. that is a fact... Jack.
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