Game Lineup Comparisons, v. 1.3

[Qbert]

That is actually not true. One thing is always better than another. For example, the Xbox one line-up is far superior to me. The problem here is that we once again run into a subjective discussion. Which as we all know is something that seems too complex for forums to handle.

This is where we need to separate what is better as a fact, vs what is better as an opinion, and I'm referring to what makes something better as a fact.

For example, we know $100 is better than $1 as a fact. $1 being better because I like the design of the dollar bill better is simply better by opinion.
Another example, we know a high end gaming pc is better than a console as fact in regards to what's under the hood. Preferring to play a console because I find console better is an opinion.


And mind you, I'm not targeting this at any one particular person or side, it goes both ways. One console isn't better because it has more AAA games or indies than the other as fact, but rather, it just makes it better to that individual based on their preference. That's fine, and I agree with that. But here, in these forums, way too often, people try to put down what others prefer, and use the "this is why ours is better, so there" statement, and then use because of **insert sales, more games, AAA, indies,etc** excuse.





I don't know, but me personally, and obviously I'm in the minority here, I find it a strange argument....claiming one console is better due to more AAA, without even discussing those games themselves.

 

[starseeker]

We're not talking about winners or losers, or rankings....that's what the sales thread is for. I'm talking about how some propose this idea that one console is better than another due to this idea of how many AAA exclusives it has. That does not, in any way shape, or form make one console better than the other as a fact, but rather better in just one's personal opinion.



You said it yourself, accepting that people prefer one over the other, and that is 100% correct. Not this idea that one is better than the other as fact because of number of games. For example, if I said PC was a better platform because it had more exclusives, means nothing to anyone here, if most of those games were crap. Now, had I said PC is better for me because I prefer those indie games, then that's different. See, it's how the statement is presented that changes the intent of the statement.

Agreeable for both points.

The important thing is learn to respect peoples opinions & not demand your opinions as facts.

 

[yankeessuck]

but the reason that argument is there is because it isn't subjective.

I agree with you in terms of the whole quality vs quantity ethos, but one of those is subjective, while the other isn't.

Well the quantity part is sadly subjective because nobody can agree on what a AAA game is

 

[Qbert]

Well the quantity part is sadly subjective because nobody can agree on what a AAA game is

That's because "AAA" has changed throughout the years, from what it original was used for. AAA was once used to denote the quality of a game, how good it was, how people generally accepted the game, etc. Now, it seems to denote how large the budget is.

That's one of the reasons why I scratch my head in amazement that people would use AAA as some badge of honor, without really discussing whether or not the game is a great game.

 

[menace-uk-]

This is where we need to separate what is better as a fact, vs what is better as an opinion, and I'm referring to what makes something better as a fact.

For example, we know $100 is better than $1 as a fact. $1 being better because I like the design of the dollar bill better is simply better by opinion.
Another example, we know a high end gaming pc is better than a console as fact in regards to what's under the hood. Preferring to play a console because I find console better is an opinion.


And mind you, I'm not targeting this at any one particular person or side, it goes both ways. One console isn't better because it has more AAA games or indies than the other as fact, but rather, it just makes it better to that individual based on their preference. That's fine, and I agree with that. But here, in these forums, way too often, people try to put down what others prefer, and use the "this is why ours is better, so there" statement, and then use because of **insert sales, more games, AAA, indies,etc** excuse.





I don't know, but me personally, and obviously I'm in the minority here, I find it a strange argument....claiming one console is better due to more AAA, without even discussing those games themselves.

I did type out a really long reply to all three points, but instead I am just going to say this...

The hardware to me has little value. I do not buy the hardware because of power or features. I buy the hardware because of the games I want to play. Those games are ones I consider to be great games/franchises that interest me most. So, the basis of buying hardware is built upon my subjective opinion of software.

I think that is true of all here, including you. I mean you wouldn't buy a console with no games, would you? and I bet the first console you buy( or consoles) are because it offers plenty of software that interests you.

We all discuss the games that are the basis of some of these silly arguments, they are simply discussed in their platform section and specific threads. Lets ace it, talking about them in a multiplatform section would devolve into retardation pretty quickly, much like this thread.

 

[menace-uk-]

That's because "AAA" has changed throughout the years, from what it original was used for. AAA was once used to denote the quality of a game, how good it was, how people generally accepted the game, etc. Now, it seems to denote how large the budget is.

That's one of the reasons why I scratch my head in amazement that people would use AAA as some badge of honor, without really discussing whether or not the game is a great game.

budget was never a factor because there wasn't really things like indie or small digital games back then. AAA still denotes quality, it is just budget helps to separate them in the ever changing software climate.

 

[starseeker]

AAA used to refer to top quality games, but today, it was a accepted convention used by developers to mean big budget full price game. I do not know when it came to be, but it just it.

When you go to any game development forum, you mention AAA game, no one will misunderstood that you are referring instead to highly acclaimed games.

Whether one think AAA is a good term or not is another argument (To be AAA is a battery type, & hence bad term), AAA referring to big budget game is an accepted convention.

 

[Qbert]

I did type out a really long reply to all three points, but instead I am just going to say this...

The hardware to me has little value. I do not buy the hardware because of power or features. I buy the hardware because of the games I want to play. Those games are ones I consider to be great games/franchises that interest me most. So, the basis of buying hardware is built upon my subjective opinion of software.

I think that is true of all here, including you. I mean you wouldn't buy a console with no games, would you? and I bet the first console you buy( or consoles) are because it offers plenty of software that interests you.

We all discuss the games that are the basis of some of these silly arguments, they are simply discussed in their platform section and specific threads. Lets ace it, talking about them in a multiplatform section would devolve into retardation pretty quickly, much like this thread.

And I don't disagree.

 

[Frozpot]

We're not talking about winners or losers, or rankings....that's what the sales thread is for. I'm talking about how some propose this idea that one console is better than another due to this idea of how many AAA exclusives it has. That does not, in any way shape, or form make one console better than the other as a fact, but rather better in just one's personal opinion.



You said it yourself, accepting that people prefer one over the other, and that is 100% correct. Not this idea that one is better than the other as fact because of number of games. For example, if I said PC was a better platform because it had more exclusives, means nothing to anyone here, if most of those games were crap. Now, had I said PC is better for me because I prefer those indie games, then that's different. See, it's how the statement is presented that changes the intent of the statement.

You are on fire, my friend!

People keep trying to objectively quantify something when it is judged and accepted subjectively. The objective quantities have no meaning if they don't appeal to the consumer buying it. THAT is why one is not better than the other, because "Better" is the subjective element. You can parse elements for that argument, but on a whole, it is an entertainment device that is dependent on it's subjective appeal.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Its subjective no doubt...but we have a comparison thread because........?

 

[Qbert]

Its subjective no doubt...but we have a comparison thread because........?

Fair enough.

 

[Kvally]

Holy crap this thread took a big huge dump over the weekend. Happy Easter....

 

[Andy]

Its subjective no doubt...but we have a comparison thread because........?

Because people like to discuss or argue about their opinions.

 

[Frozpot]

Its subjective no doubt...but we have a comparison thread because........?

Ideally so that those that want to know what is coming out for each machine can make a decision based on what they are looking for, but let's face it, this is a "stealth" console war thread :/

 

[yankeessuck]

Ideally so that those that want to know what is coming out for each machine can make a decision based on what they are looking for, but let's face it, this is a "stealth" console war thread :/

If it wasn't the Wii U would get talked about.

 

[Kassen]

PS4 has a good lineup. And you can't spell "lineup" without "delays!"

 

[Dtwice]

Its one but there is ZERO on the Xbox One

Debatable

 

[Kvally]

I agree, there is ZERO on the X1 if there is ZERO on the PS4.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Debatable

Give me 5 well known gaming sites who mentioned a current Xbox One exclusive being a reason to buy the Xbox One.

 

[Kvally]

Give me 4000 well known gaming sites who mentioned a current PS4 exclusive being a reason to buy the PS4. And no, compuserve forums don't count.

 

[Frozpot]

Give me 5 well known gaming sites who mentioned a current Xbox One exclusive being a reason to buy the Xbox One.

Who cares? I can give you 7 games that make the system worth it. For me at least, and guess what, that is all that matters. That it has games that appeal to me, the one buying it. There are more than 10 million other people who feel the same way.

Forza 5
Forza Horizon 2 ( a vastly superior version over the 360 game)
Sunset Overdrive
Dead Rising 3
Halo MCC
Ori and the Blind Forest

Titanfall and Ryse to a lesser extent, imo


Not to mention great versions of every other big 3rd party game. It doesn't have to be the "best" version (which objectively would be the PC version anyway), But it is not out-classed enough that the exclusives aren't enough reason to go with it. That's not even counting the great media integration.

Just because what they have on offer is not your cup-o-tea doesn't mean they should just pack it in. For many people the machine has a lot going for it. I don't get why that's not good enough.

Why does it matter that more people want the PS4? Do you listen to a lot of Taylor Swift? Because by your logic, since the other musicians out there don't sell as many albums, they should just quit music all together as their music is obviously garbage, am I right?

 

[TeKPhaN]

So Xbox One doesn't have a system seller...right?

 

[Frozpot]

 

[Frozpot]

So Xbox One doesn't have a system seller...right?

It does for more than 10 million people and counting... so... Yes? As to which game that was... I guess you'd have to ask them.

 

[yankeessuck]

Well now that its been established that X1 and PS4 have no games and are just really expensive paper weights we can move on to the main event. 3DS vs Vita

 

[Kvally]

Well now that its been established that X1 and PS4 have no games and are just really expensive paper weights we can move on to the main event. 3DS vs Vita

That will bring the thread to a close though. Talk about yawn fest.

 

[TeKPhaN]

It does for more than 10 million people and counting... so... Yes? As to which game that was... I guess you'd have to ask them.

Surely we bought Xbox One for 3rd party games right?

 

[Frozpot]

Surely we bought Xbox One for 3rd party games right?

I sure did. I bought the system that I get to play the exclusives I want, that also has robust 3rd party support. I'm trying to find the confusing bit.

 

[jimmyD]

This is where we need to separate what is better as a fact, vs what is better as an opinion, and I'm referring to what makes something better as a fact.

For example, we know $100 is better than $1 as a fact. $1 being better because I like the design of the dollar bill better is simply better by opinion.
Another example, we know a high end gaming pc is better than a console as fact in regards to what's under the hood. Preferring to play a console because I find console better is an opinion.

And mind you, I'm not targeting this at any one particular person or side, it goes both ways. One console isn't better because it has more AAA games or indies than the other as fact, but rather, it just makes it better to that individual based on their preference. That's fine, and I agree with that. But here, in these forums, way too often, people try to put down what others prefer, and use the "this is why ours is better, so there" statement, and then use because of **insert sales, more games, AAA, indies,etc** excuse.

I don't know, but me personally, and obviously I'm in the minority here, I find it a strange argument....claiming one console is better due to more AAA, without even discussing those games themselves.

Qft Qbaby like I said before with Burger King vs mcdonalds. It all comes down to preferences and coupons.

 

[Qbert]

Who cares? I can give you 7 games that make the system worth it. For me at least, and guess what, that is all that matters.

This pretty much is what it's all about.