NeoGaf: Halo 4, One Year Later: What Happened?

Still crazy to me how anyone could hate Halo 4, or even Reach. Loved them both.

Of course, I'm not the biggest multiplayer guy. So many nitpick complainers in multiplayer. "They increased the damage ratio of the scattershot from 1.13 to 1.35? BWAHHHHH!!!".

As for "copying COD", if it's a good idea, its a good idea. Adding sprint in at all times was a good thing.
 
Vapor said:
Halo isn't stale, the core Halo can't be beat by any other FPS. Name one console arena-style game that trumps Halo.

Call of Duty has been going strong since COD2 launched on Xbox 360. That's almost a decade of COD and it's the same thing year after year with minor tweaks, and the fan base hasn't gotten bored of it yet.

Halo on the other hand changed so much from game to game, it started to lose what its core was originally with Halo Combat Evolved and Halo 2. Halo 3 was the last core Halo game sadly.
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UT demolishes Halo.
 
Soldier Gryphon said:
As for "copying COD", if it's a good idea, its a good idea. Adding sprint in at all times was a good thing.
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Sprint itself is stupid. It's unnecessary; a walk or sprint button is something for kbma players, unnecessary for ANALOG STICK players.

Want to walk? Push the stick forward a bit.
Want to jog? Push it a little more.
Want to run? Push it all the way forward.

Taking one of the few controller buttons away to do something you can do without, is at the top of the list of Stupid Game Mechanic Additions.

Halo is better without sprint.
 
Vapor said:
UT Championship on console trumps Halo? Really? I disagree. UT Championship is a piss poor port of the PC title.
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There is no ut championship let alone a pc port.
There is a Unreal Championship but that's not a pc game nor what I am referring 2.

You said arena style and the ut and quake series blows Halo away especially in skill.
 
never really got into the halo mp after halo ce.

basically buy the games for the campaign.
 
VaLLiancE said:
Making it short and simple...
Speed and dodging
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You can crank up the speed in Halo, as well as gravity (jump heights.)
Dodging? That's not a skill, that's cheap avoidance.
Anyway, Halo Reach had a form of dodging too.
 
LOL.. VaLLiancE you have a strange obsession with trying to claim the things you like more are somehow objectively better.

Like the PS3 UI more? It's also more mature.. because.. flashy pointless graphics and customizable wallpapers are mature!

Like Killzone more than COD? It's because slow paced games require more skill.

Like Quake more than Halo? It's because fast paced games require more skill.
 
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I love halo 4 still, I've actually been playing it a lot recently and still really enjoy it. I like being able to choose loadouts so I can choose weapons in better stand the little powers stuff was fun and provided an interesting twist on things.

what must suck being a developer is you want to try and innovate and change things up a bit to keep it fresh and prevent people blasting you (like COD gets) for being the same game each time around. So then they do make some changes and it is fresher (I've had arguably the most fun and most success on this halo than any in the past) yet people b*tch up a storm. Honestly you can't please everybody especially on the internet these days and no matter what they did you would have a very loudboutspoken group complaining. The gameplay still very much feels like halo to me and not like COD which I dont care for at all.

and regardless of what halo 5 does, you can bet your bottom dollar there will be an outspoken group complaining.
 
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Ultimate Thor said:
I love halo 4 still, I've actually been playing it a lot recently and still really enjoy it. I like being able to choose loadouts so I can choose weapons in better stand the little powers stuff was fun and provided an interesting twist on things.

what must suck being a developer is you want to try and innovate and change things up a bit to keep it fresh and prevent people blasting you (like COD gets) for being the same game each time around. So then they do make some changes and it is fresher (I've had arguably the most fun and most success on this halo than any in the past) yet people b*tch up a storm. Honestly you can't please everybody especially on the internet these days and no matter what they did you would have a very loudboutspoken group complaining. The gameplay still very much feels like halo to me and not like COD which I dont care for at all.

and regardless of what halo 5 does, you can bet your bottom dollar there will be an outspoken group complaining.
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The population decline speaks for itself. The game had issues.

And I dont have a problem with changes and keeping it fresh but keeping it fresh doesnt mean just do whatever COD is going
 
Ultimate Thor said:
and regardless of what halo 5 does, you can bet your bottom dollar there will be an outspoken group complaining.
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people complaining and noone is playing it < people complaining and it having a great population of gamers..

people are going to complain regardless.. people love to complain. it's the easiest thing to do..
 
I'm just going to go ahead and ask it: How do you guys know that the population decline had to do with such nitpick complaints?

The only problem with multiplayer for me is just that it got boring fast. It didn't take long to unlock the things I wanted. Spartan Ops was repetitive. It took months to get the file share going. Just felt no inclination to stay.
 
I only play Halo for the single player campaign and occasional co-op play with friends. That being said, Halo multiplayer will never again be quite what it was in it's heyday for the simple reason that there's is a lot more competition now, than back then, a lot more choices.
 
This will sound stupid but CoD has made me suck at Halo. There has never been a better gaming moment than Halo lan parties for me.That"I just killed 200 people with my mutha fukin pistol" feeling is pretty awesome. But when I go from CoD to Halo.....it is f***ing drastic. I will always believe that Halo is more skillful than CoD. I have gotten so used to CoD and BF4 that it is jarring when I go to play Halo.

Yes....I just said that.
 
BunzHoles said:
LOL.. VaLLiancE you have a strange obsession with trying to claim the things you like more are somehow objectively better.

Like the PS3 UI more? It's also more mature.. because.. flashy pointless graphics and customizable wallpapers are mature!

Like Killzone more than COD? It's because slow paced games require more skill.

Like Quake more than Halo? It's because fast paced games require more skill.
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Somebody hasn't seriously played all 3 as their is no argument on the skill part.
 
the only thing I see is people maxed out and there is no more content to play. You have people put in 12 hours playing a day.
 
Very interesting read. I didn't even realize halo 4 did so poorly, I just know that I gave it basically 0 attention.
 
The last time the top 10 chart was updated, everything above halo is either call of duty or sports games. (The minecraft, I can't explain that one) I think most of this is bs, but I don't care anyway, finding a game is still easy. I think it's that gaming isn't really a gamers thing anymore, all the most played games are sports games and call of duty, it's a different environment.

That, AND everyone got needlessly pissy about sprinting. Sh!t, what really changed? You still run around mostly symmetrical "arena" boxes getting to power weapons and five/four shotting with your shooty tube of choice.

Still, it's the most successful sales-wise. At least there's that.
 
Z A C K said:
Very interesting read. I didn't even realize halo 4 did so poorly, I just know that I gave it basically 0 attention.
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Well, I would point out that it actually did extremely well sales-wise. Last I checked it was the second best selling Halo game ever (right behind Halo 3, and slowly approaching it).

That said, I don't think I would go as far as to say it did "poorly". We're just talking multiplayer populations and why players lost interest.
 
Halo 4 single player was the best since CE and the Multiplayer was better than Reach . Basically all the Gaf hate was just becuase it was MS,yes the hate started before the X1 announcment. 4 > Reach in every way. 343 will most likely make the best Halo yet with 5,god please let it be open worlded !!!!
 
Game was an awesome exclusive to have, the multiplayer was pretty different, but apparently "stale" too. MS exclusives can't win, there either "too different" or "too stale"

Makes no sense.
 
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