No Games? Xbox One is on track to have more Exclusives than the 360

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Where are the folks that had issues with xbox lack of exclusives? How do they conveniently avoid the thread(s) pro xbox?

Do you mean here on Union? I don't imagine there are many here. It's a pro-Xbox forum. The few people who do have an issue with it are probably PS-leaning people who generally avoid the pro-Xbox threads, because they just aren't interested in the discussion in the first place. And the ones who do often get the defense force type responses, so they learn over time not to bother. So you're getting a pretty tilted view, if you're just looking at this forum.

If you are asking in general, then there have been lots of people voicing concern and criticism for at least the last couple of years, at other forums (e.g., GAF). I find it weird that people are surprised to hear about this. They act as if it is something that has just come up recently. It's been amplified recently, but it's been a topic of discussion for several years.
 
360 had far better exclusives which sold and rated better.

I agree. 360 had a Far Superior library that felt Fresh at the time. On Xbox One it feels like MS just can't be bothered with finding the next Great IP and that is why so many People were pissed off when Scale Bound got Cancelled. It wasn't just Scale Bound either, I was looking forward to Shangheist too and that got cancelled because MS felt it more necessary to release another (4th) Gears of War. MS is out of touch with Gamers and it's been that way for 7 years now.

Just another spin article froma a r****d who can't read.

People are complaing about a lack of new big exclusive IPs. Trying to use indies to prove otherwise is just hilarious. They showed 22 exclusives, yep, 19 of which were indies, and none of the other 3 were new...their newest exclusive was announced 2 years ago:txbrolleyes:

Yea and to make things worse the games they showed didn't look that good imho. SOT, SOD and Crack Down just don't move the needle for me and I've been an Xbox supporter since the OG XB.
 
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Where are the folks that had issues with xbox lack of exclusives? How do they conveniently avoid the thread(s) pro xbox?

Ok so people who aren't pro xbox all the time get bitched at for posting in xbox threads and if they don't they are called out for not posting in the threads? does this make any sense? Also I've been saying for years I wasn't happy with the exclusive MS has been putting out, way before the PS4 was even announced. If you want to go by a checklist to count Kinect exclusives and indie titles etc that's up to that person, still doesn't change the fact that MS has done a pretty half assed job at going for new big IP, they don't own Sunset Overdrive and they have cancelled several announced games this gen already. That doesn't mean they haven't tried at all but clearly it hasn't been where their interests were in the latter years of last gen or the first few years of this one. I'm not one to say the console has no games but they sure are light on compelling first party content, and there were definitely a lot more xbox one owners talking down the PS4's game library up until this year.
 
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Ok so people who aren't pro xbox all the time get b****ed at for posting in xbox threads and if they don't they are called out for not posting in the threads? does this make any sense? Also I've been saying for years I wasn't happy with the exclusive MS has been putting out, way before the PS4 was even announced. If you want to go by a checklist to count Kinect exclusives and indie titles etc that's up to that person, still doesn't change the fact that MS has done a pretty half assed job at going for new big IP, they don't own Sunset Overdrive and they have cancelled several announced games this gen already. That doesn't mean they haven't tried at all but clearly it hasn't been where their interests were in the latter years of last gen or the first few years of this one. I'm not one to say the console has no games but they sure are light on compelling first party content, and there were definitely a lot more xbox one owners talking down the PS4's game library up until this year.

To be fair that was the time when all we would hear about (on here, gaf, and news media) is how AAA games & fall releases didn't matter and it was all about the number of indies and hardware power. Indies stopped mattering seconds after No Mans' Sky killed everyones dog, then AAA games were back in style just after Fall when female Far Cry came out, hardware power stopped mattering almost immediately after that tone switched hands etc etc... It's all pretty comical tbh. I even remember someone arguing that backwards compatibility games "don't count" or something weird.

No doubt MS has had a dry spell this year as far as compelling 1st party content, the hardware, features, evolving OS and wealth of other games (BC, EA Access, Game Pass, etc etc) have slowly dragged them up until this point and hopefully the 1st party games coming soon will be worth the wait.

Whatever though. All is fair in love and console wars. Everyone has a different perspective; it's not really something to get bent out of shape over.
 
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Ok so people who aren't pro xbox all the time get b****ed at for posting in xbox threads and if they don't they are called out for not posting in the threads? does this make any sense? Also I've been saying for years I wasn't happy with the exclusive MS has been putting out, way before the PS4 was even announced. If you want to go by a checklist to count Kinect exclusives and indie titles etc that's up to that person, still doesn't change the fact that MS has done a pretty half assed job at going for new big IP, they don't own Sunset Overdrive and they have cancelled several announced games this gen already. That doesn't mean they haven't tried at all but clearly it hasn't been where their interests were in the latter years of last gen or the first few years of this one. I'm not one to say the console has no games but they sure are light on compelling first party content, and there were definitely a lot more xbox one owners talking down the PS4's game library up until this year.
You're stating this based on your own opinion. I'll be god damned if the X1 didn't have good to great exclusives. Ryse was a great foundation to start with. So were QB, Recore and S.O. They've done a great job on starting new franchises - just seems to me that anything coming from the MS camp is dog pilled, hardcore. Most of the criticisms seem to stem more from insecurity than anything legit. Don't get me wrong, not everyone is going to like the same type of game. But the way negative word seems to herd around Xbox games is very telling. Take C.D. 3 for example. The game looks like great fun in the best sense of the word but now, everyone's "concerned." The MP will be shown at Gamescon. MS said years ago that destruction would be saved for MP exclusively and now suddenly no one remembers. I personally believe a lot of the criticism for CD 3 comes from insecure fanboys. I can't stand insecure motherfukers as it is. Unstable minded puppets in my experience.

Either way, we'll agree to disagree here Jinca. It's really difficult to call on Xbox exclusives and why the ones I've mentioned didn't take off - not with things being as they are; it's cool to hate Microsoft. Plus, I've been playing QB again and I'm legit baffled how this game wasn't a huge success. It's got everything you could want as a gamer. Great game play, looks great, great story and its unique. Same goes for Recore, S.O. and Ryse. Something tells me if these games were on the other console - the reception would've been world's apart.
 
I am amazed, the PS4 has a good spring, and MS has a s***ty spring, and all of a sudden MS has no games. And PS has ALL games. Pathetic.
 
To be fair that was the time when all we would hear about (on here, gaf, and news media) is how AAA games & fall releases didn't matter and it was all about the number of indies and hardware power. Indies stopped mattering seconds after No Mans' Sky killed everyones dog, then AAA games were back in style just after Fall when female Far Cry came out, hardware power stopped mattering almost immediately after that tone switched hands etc etc... It's all pretty comical tbh. I even remember someone arguing that backwards compatibility games "don't count" or something weird.

No doubt MS has had a dry spell this year as far as compelling 1st party content, the hardware, features, evolving OS and wealth of other games (BC, EA Access, Game Pass, etc etc) have slowly dragged them up until this point and hopefully the 1st party games coming soon will be worth the wait.

Whatever though. All is fair in love and console wars. Everyone has a different perspective; it's not really something to get bent out of shape over.

Not my Union. The Union I was on only fall AAA games mattered.
 
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Ok so people who aren't pro xbox all the time get b****ed at for posting in xbox threads and if they don't they are called out for not posting in the threads? does this make any sense? Also I've been saying for years I wasn't happy with the exclusive MS has been putting out, way before the PS4 was even announced. If you want to go by a checklist to count Kinect exclusives and indie titles etc that's up to that person, still doesn't change the fact that MS has done a pretty half assed job at going for new big IP, they don't own Sunset Overdrive and they have cancelled several announced games this gen already. That doesn't mean they haven't tried at all but clearly it hasn't been where their interests were in the latter years of last gen or the first few years of this one. I'm not one to say the console has no games but they sure are light on compelling first party content, and there were definitely a lot more xbox one owners talking down the PS4's game library up until this year.
Jinca, It has nothing to do with being pro xbox just scrutinize eveyone the same. I honestly believed the xb1 exclusives were on the light side with how folks were shaking their fist @ MS. I didn't pay attention to how few exclusives are on the ps4 vs last gen. That is what has surprised me you only hear MS is doing everything wrong. Nobody holds sony accountable for the same thing. The point someone mentioned the ps3 had more exclusives and was harder to code for is hilarious no? Why are folks bitching @ MS exclusives and not holding Sony under the same microscope?

Maybe sony won this gen and doesn't have to invest in exclusives it would make sense to me. Why fans would be ok with this I don't understand. Why sony fans would bitch @ MS for the same thing shows their level of maturity. It totally makes sense though looking @ how last gen ended and how ps3 exclusives helped console sales storm back that sony feels they don't have to work as hard this gen. It also helps they have fans that would defend this behaviour.
 
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You're stating this based on your own opinion. I'll be god damned if the X1 didn't have good to great exclusives. Ryse was a great foundation to start with. So were QB, Recore and S.O. They've done a great job on starting new franchises - just seems to me that anything coming from the MS camp is dog pilled, hardcore. Most of the criticisms seem to stem more from insecurity than anything legit. Don't get me wrong, not everyone is going to like the same type of game. But the way negative word seems to herd around Xbox games is very telling. Take C.D. 3 for example. The game looks like great fun in the best sense of the word but now, everyone's "concerned." The MP will be shown at Gamescon. MS said years ago that destruction would be saved for MP exclusively and now suddenly no one remembers. I personally believe a lot of the criticism for CD 3 comes from insecure fanboys. I can't stand insecure motherfukers as it is. Unstable minded puppets in my experience.

Either way, we'll agree to disagree here Jinca. It's really difficult to call on Xbox exclusives and why the ones I've mentioned didn't take off - not with things being as they are; it's cool to hate Microsoft. Plus, I've been playing QB again and I'm legit baffled how this game wasn't a huge success. It's got everything you could want as a gamer. Great game play, looks great, great story and its unique. Same goes for Recore, S.O. and Ryse. Something tells me if these games were on the other console - the reception would've been world's apart.

Nobody can tell you what games you have to like or dislike so I'm glad you enjoyed all of those games, you spent your hard earned money on them and I'm glad you didn't feel that it was wasted. That being said Ryse was a game that bounced around between a 360 game then a Kinect game then a launch X1 game, most people I know that played it said it was average at best and was more about trying to show off a new console due to it's graphics than anything else. You are the only person I've seen say they enjoyed Recore all that much but again I'm happy for you. S.0. seems to be one of those games that was really well executed but it just didn't have broad appeal, also MS doesn't own that IP so it's not really their game. QB I think was always going to be a bit difficult due to the mix of TV etc. One thing about all 4 of those games, none of them were made by MS 1st party studios.
 
Jinca, It has nothing to do with being pro xbox just scrutinize eveyone the same. I honestly believed the xb1 exclusives were on the light side with how folks were shaking their fist @ MS. I didn't pay attention to how few exclusives are on the ps4 vs last gen. That is what has surprised me you only hear MS is doing everything wrong. Nobody holds sony accountable for the same thing. The point someone mentioned the ps3 had more exclusives and was harder to code for is hilarious no? Why are folks b****ing @ MS exclusives and not holding Sony under the same microscope?

But people spent years saying the PS4 has no games
 
Jinca, It has nothing to do with being pro xbox just scrutinize eveyone the same. I honestly believed the xb1 exclusives were on the light side with how folks were shaking their fist @ MS. I didn't pay attention to how few exclusives are on the ps4 vs last gen. That is what has surprised me you only hear MS is doing everything wrong. Nobody holds sony accountable for the same thing. The point someone mentioned the ps3 had more exclusives and was harder to code for is hilarious no? Why are folks b****ing @ MS exclusives and not holding Sony under the same microscope?

Maybe sony won this gen and doesn't have to invest in exclusives it would make sense to me. Why fans would be ok with this I don't understand. Why sony fans would b**** @ MS for the same thing shows their level of maturity. It totally makes sense though looking @ how last gen ended and how ps3 exclusives helped console sales storm back that sony feels they don't have to work as hard this gen. It also helps they have fans that would defend this behaviour.

Sony doesn't have exclusives? GG has already released 3 titles with an expansion for Horizon this year, Sucker Punch has released one plus an expansion, Japan studios has released several, ND has released UC4 is working on an expansion and also TLU remaster, Santa Monica had an unannounced game cancelled but will have God of War out in less than a year, Days Gone will be out next year, Spider-man will be out next year, The Order (Sony owns IP but RAD is not a Sony studio) GT Sport is coming out this year, TLG released last year, MLB the show every year etc. Don't forget 3 of their biggest studios ND, SMS and PD were working on PS3 games that released in 2013, it takes time to get new games up and running. Sony is hardly being lazy or resting.

MS doesn't have quite the same level of 1st party investment that sony does nor do they have the same level of talent IMO. They don't seem to be able to marry art and tech in the same way. Sure there are some beautiful smaller games like Ori but the biggest releases are still the same ones from last gen, Halo, Gears and Forza and while they look fine for what they are there is nothing that really stands out about them after so many years of basically the same look. Sadly Fable seems to be gone, they really could have done something great with that franchise but instead they decided to make it some generic fantasy MP game and ended up cancelling it.

This year seems light for MS because some games were cancelled (they weren't going to be big games anyway) and also because 343 and the coalition already released games in the past year and a half, again it takes time to make games.
 
It didn't for a while there. There were more indies than anything - especially in the beginning.

Well f its ok to say it about PS4 then its ok to say about X1. Keeping in mind that its not meant to be taken literally.

Back then games didn't matter and console power was the most important thing.

And now the opposite side says games don't matter and console power is the most important thing. So what are we getting at exactly?
 
Nobody can tell you what games you have to like or dislike so I'm glad you enjoyed all of those games, you spent your hard earned money on them and I'm glad you didn't feel that it was wasted. That being said Ryse was a game that bounced around between a 360 game then a Kinect game then a launch X1 game, most people I know that played it said it was average at best and was more about trying to show off a new console due to it's graphics than anything else. You are the only person I've seen say they enjoyed Recore all that much but again I'm happy for you. S.0. seems to be one of those games that was really well executed but it just didn't have broad appeal, also MS doesn't own that IP so it's not really their game. QB I think was always going to be a bit difficult due to the mix of TV etc. One thing about all 4 of those games, none of them were made by MS 1st party studios.

If I'm the only person you've heard saying Recore was a good game then you've been living under a rock. The reviews practically slayed the title but a lot of gamers were enjoying the hell out of it. This was something I observed even on Gaf and that place is the Sony version of OZ. Its got monkeys and everything. ;)

Ryse wasn't a blockbuster juggernaut but it definitely set a solid foundation for more. Again, most of the games MS releases are picked apart ad nauseum, and ridiculed by more insecurity than rational criticism in my opinion. No game is perfect but there is absolutely a negative stigma when concerning Xbox games in general. Frankly, if you enjoy Xbox and what they offer on tap its better for you to try out the game for yourself and not depend on the opinions of so called journalists or other gamers. There's not just a herd of negativity around Xbox games, there's also a strategic agenda in place to downplay Xbox games and products. In a situation like that, the only opinion you can trust is your own.
 
There's not just a herd of negativity around Xbox games, there's also a strategic agenda in place to downplay Xbox games and products.

per·se·cu·tion com·plex
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  1. an irrational and obsessive feeling or fear that one is the object of collective hostility or ill-treatment on the part of others.
 
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Let me stop you right there, dude. I'm the last person to have a persecution complex if you know me. I'm extremely aware and could give a rats ass what people think about me. Those arent the characteristics of a boss - those are one of cowards and sheep.

I think you should let this one go. I'm just the kind of person to make you look like a bafoon. You're embarrassing yourself.
 
And now the opposite side says games don't matter and console power is the most important thing. So what are we getting at exactly?
What is your point? Would you have wanted MS not to compete and have fewer exclusives and a weaker console?
 
Let me stop you right there, dude. I'm the last person to have a persecution complex if you know me. I'm extremely aware and could give a rats ass what people think about me. Those arent the characteristics of a boss - those are one of cowards and sheep.

I think you should let this one go. I'm just the kind of person to make you look like a bafoon. You're embarrassing yourself.
I'm not understanding his angle? Is he pissed @ x1x and this thread for more exclusives incoming?
 
What is your point? Would you have wanted MS not to compete and have fewer exclusives and a weaker console?

I don't know how you came to that conclusion

I'm not understanding his angle? Is he pissed @ x1x and this thread for more exclusives incoming?

My angle is Mcmasters has a persecution complex and thinks the world is against Xbox.
 
And now the opposite side says games don't matter and console power is the most important thing. So what are we getting at exactly?

It's the lamentable extension of the modern perversion of critical thinking whereupon people analyze their opinions and draw facts based upon them.
 
My angle is Mcmasters has a persecution complex and thinks the world is against Xbox.
Well, lets be honest now if we stop and think about it when has MS been cool or hip? Maybe before the apple 1984 big brother commercial? None of their products (hardware) outside of xbox have been accepted as the "tickle me Elmo" hot product vs the competition. It is a climb for the xbox division and why would you think they would be perceived by the public any differently? When I think of MS I think the 1% old rich white dude. I'm sure others feel the same. There is a growing hate towards that 1%.
 
Well, lets be honest now if we stop and think about it when has MS been cool or hip?

Last gen, the 360 was the cool console. I don't know how much that extended to MS as a whole, but Xbox was certainly the "in" thing, at least in the states.

That was true until about 2009 or 2010 -- which, not coincidentally, is when you (well, not you, but everyone else) first started hearing the complaints about "everything is Halo/Gears/Forza/Fable" and "no new IPs" -- you know, those complaints that just arose in the last 6 months. :wink:
 
I never said this. I know sony has more exclusives than MS. Please, no more short stories.

You said "sony won this gen, maybe they don't have to invest in exclusives" and secondly you rated my post agree so if you don't like "short stories" maybe you shouldn't agree with them. If I misread your take on Sony and not investing I apologize but that's what it looks like you are saying to me.
 
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Last gen, the 360 was the cool console. I don't know how much that extended to MS as a whole, but Xbox was certainly the "in" thing, at least in the states.

That was true until about 2009 or 2010 -- which, not coincidentally, is when you (well, not you, but everyone else) first started hearing the complaints about "everything is Halo/Gears/Forza/Fable" and "no new IPs" -- you know, those complaints that just arose in the last 6 months.

Yeah it's pretty fair to say Xbox is the closest thing they've ever had to being cool when it comes to consumer products, Zune and windows phone both flopped and I'm not sure how well surface is doing. You are also right that people have been complaining about MS 1st party output well beyond this gen, many of us weren't happy with the latter half of last gen, Kinect and the focus on trying to make that catch on did as much harm to the xbox brand as anything else IMO. It's not irreparably damaged but MS already has a lower ceiling than Sony when it comes to global appeal, they need to be smarter about the decisions they make.

Sadly they have several IP's that many people would love to see sequels to that aren't named Halo/Gears/Forza like Crimson Skies, Kameo and Mech Assault but we haven't seen anything that leads me to believe those IP's have any future at this point.
 
You said "sony won this gen, maybe they don't have to invest in exclusives" and secondly you rated my post agree so if you don't like "short stories" maybe you shouldn't agree with them. If I misread your take on Sony and not investing I apologize but that's what it looks like you are saying to me.
I don't follow the war as closely as many do here. If there are more exclusives for ps4 then there was for ps3 @ the same time then I apologize. If there isn't though then my question of why still stands. I don't understand why there wouldn't be.
 
I don't follow the war as closely as many do here. If there are more exclusives for ps4 then there was for ps3 @ the same time then I apologize. If there isn't though then my question of why still stands. I don't understand why there wouldn't be.

No prob, Sony has been putting out a lot of games though but they also supported the PS3 longer than MS seemed to with the 360 so some studios took a bit longer to get things going on the PS4. Considering they are also trying to support PSVR I think their output has been very strong overall.
 
The thing I don't get is how games are being framed (here) as a fanboyish shift narrative -- as if it's a fallback position occupied by desperate Sony fanboys who have lost the hardware advantage. To me, this sounds like a fanboyish narrative in itself, designed to deflect criticism.

Granted, there are always desperate fanboys (on both sides) who promote the hell out of whatever advantage their favored console has (e.g., power, price, sales, appearance, etc.). And they'll take whatever position enhances their "side." But that is a minority. Most people are not that way.

Games are at the heart of our hobby. Games are what we gather here to talk about and enjoy. Games are essential and fundamental, in a way that none of those other factors are. Games have always been the center of gaming, and they always will be.

Most people who are discussing game catalog issues are not desperate fanboys looking for an advantage. They are talking about games because, believe it or not, they are interested in games.
 
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