No Games? Xbox One is on track to have more Exclusives than the 360

[Intellivision]

To some of these guys, no matter what MS brings to the table it doesn't compare to Sony. The power narrative is over now so, they gotta have something to b**** about.

I agree.

You can see this with all the articles written on various sites purposely putting doubt and FUD with MS products.

Whereas with all the anti-consumer angles Sony does, it gets brushed aside or completely ignore. Here's just a few examples:

- PS4 now requires PS+ fees for MP (whereas last gen.... "Hey look at us! No fees like Gold has)
- No EA Access. Bad mouths a third party service.....
- ..... and in the same breath promotes their own self serving PS Now streaming subscription service of laggy 720p gaming with launch prices at $45/quarter (now reduced to I think $100/yr)
- Tries to give an image of "games, games, games", yet soon after launch starts promoting PS Vue internet TV streaming, Powers TV show and PS TV
- No BC with PS3 (digital or disc)
- No external HDD until 2 years after X1 got it
- No cross platform play except for a small number of PC games
- Limited mod support. Initially it was no mod support until gamers pressured them into allowing Bethesda games to do it, and the support is low as Sony doesn't allow large mods like X1 or PC
- No first party support for Vita after year 1
- Charging absurd memory card prices for Vita
- Promoted a PS branded 3D TV hyping 3D, yet only 3-4 PS3 games did it and they dropped it after maybe 6-12 months
- Released a PS TV gadget, yet ditched it after a year
- Endless third party marketing deals. Takes recent marketing deals MS and Sony did last gen (some timed DLC deals like 30 day CoD map packs) into the stratosphere where deals can be 1 year
- Lousy customer service policies where gamers who have issues with a game or demand a refund due to a poor product get banned because CSR thinks the gamer is trying to rip them off, so they just blanket ban them
- Comparing MS Store vs the Sony Store (brick and mortar stores), MS Stores have great prices, and trade in deals. The Sony Store (if it's even still around anymore) had awful prices and no trade in deals. The only time to score a deal is when they closed down the stores at liquidation prices. When you walk into an MS Store, no clerks hassle you. You can walk around and browse. When you walk into a Sony Store, a sales guy will come at you trying to sell you TVs and DVD players

 

[EG101]

You're stating this based on your own opinion. I'll be god damned if the X1 didn't have good to great exclusives. Ryse was a great foundation to start with. So were QB, Recore and S.O. They've done a great job on starting new franchises.
Either way, we'll agree to disagree here Jinca. It's really difficult to call on Xbox exclusives and why the ones I've mentioned didn't take off - not with things being as they are; it's cool to hate Microsoft. Plus, I've been playing QB again and I'm legit baffled how this game wasn't a huge success. It's got everything you could want as a gamer. Great game play, looks great, great story and its unique. Same goes for Recore, S.O. and Ryse. Something tells me if these games were on the other console - the reception would've been world's apart.

So where are the Sequels to those games??
Each of those games sold OVER a million copies. There should be sequels to those New IP ready for launch by now.

No prob, Sony has been putting out a lot of games though but they also supported the PS3 longer than MS seemed to with the 360 so some studios took a bit longer to get things going on the PS4. Considering they are also trying to support PSVR I think their output has been very strong overall.

Sorry but MS supported 360 longer than Sony supported PS3.

 

[EG101]

I don't know how you came to that conclusion



My angle is Mcmasters has a persecution complex and thinks the world is against Xbox.

If you don't see the Anti Xbox Agenda in not only Gaming Forums but Gaming Journalism then you're Blind or Biased.

 

[JinCA]

So where are the Sequels to those games??
Each of those games sold OVER a million copies. There should be sequels to those New IP ready for launch by now.




Sorry but MS supported 360 longer than Sony supported PS3.

Sony released God of War Ascension, Gran Turismo 6 and The Last of Us in 2013, MS released Gears of War Judgement. Other 360 games beyond that were watered down versions of Xbox One games.

 

[Andy]

So where are the Sequels to those games??
Each of those games sold OVER a million copies. There should be sequels to those New IP ready for launch by now.

No, I don't think so. None of those games sold particularly well. The fact that there are no plans for Insomniac to do SO #2 (or anything else for MS) and that the Remedy-MS exclusive partnership ended after QB should tell you all you need to know about their sales. They underperformed.

"Over a million" sounds good, but you've got to consider 1) the game's budget and 2) how long it took to reach that figure. If a game's budget is large, as it must've been with QB for example, 1 million sold is not good enough to recoup it, much less turn a profit. Re. #2, if it took a long time for the game to reach a million sold, as QB did (it started out very slow), that means many/most of the units were sold at lower price points (e.g., $30 or $40 rather than $60), which means revenue was drastically reduced -- and it is revenue that matters to the company, not units sold.

 

[Kvally]

Sweet so we can talk about the KillzoneGranTurismoUnchartedStation in this thread??

 

[EG101]

Sony released God of War Ascension, Gran Turismo 6 and The Last of Us in 2013, MS released Gears of War Judgement. Other 360 games beyond that were watered down versions of Xbox One games.

So you're just going to ignore and down play the games MS released for 360 by calling them watered down XB1 releases.

No, I don't think so. None of those games sold particularly well. The fact that there are no plans for Insomniac to do SO #2 (or anything else for MS) and that the Remedy-MS exclusive partnership ended after QB should tell you all you need to know about their sales. They underperformed.

"Over a million" sounds good, but you've got to consider 1) the game's budget and 2) how long it took to reach that figure. If a game's budget is large, as it must've been with QB for example, 1 million sold is not good enough to recoup it, much less turn a profit. Re. #2, if it took a long time for the game to reach a million sold, as QB did (it started out very slow), that means many/most of the units were sold at lower price points (e.g., $30 or $40 rather than $60), which means revenue was drastically reduced -- and it is revenue that matters to the company, not units sold.

MS has to be patient with building a fan base for some of these New IP.
They can't expect every new ip to sell gang busters on it's first try. Many times these games have tons of room for improvement with a sequel on the same engine. The 2nd game can many times bring in more fans. MS has no patience with their IP. The very reason many long time XB gamers are frustrated.
Where's the sequels to Lost Odyssey, Bloodwake, Kung Fu Chaos, Crimson Skies, Blue Dragon, Jade Empire, etc.
Also where are the replacements for Big hits like Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive and Splinter Cell? All those games are 3rd party but they are the games that helped Xbox have an identity and helped Xbox be a must have console.

 

[Andy]

MS has to be patient with building a fan base for some of these New IP.

They can't expect every new ip to sell gang busters on it's first try. Many times these games have tons of room for improvement with a sequel on the same engine. The 2nd game can many times bring in more fans. MS has no patience with their IP. The very reason many long time XB gamers are frustrated.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I always appreciate long-time Xbox gamers who are willing to talk about the problems, rather than insist everything is wonderful. (I'm actually a long-time Xbox gamer myself, though I drifted away near the end of the 360 lifecycle and have been a Sony Pony ever since.)

I do wish that MS would stick with new IPs longer than they do, but I can't really criticize their decisions, because it's their business, and they know the numbers. If a game underperforms and gets mediocre reviews, how much money are you supposed to keep investing in it?

Also, I don't think it's all MS's decision or risk. A big part of the risk is shared by the developer. If a game tanks, that hurts the developer, not just MS. It's the developer's choice about where to put their resources. Would Insomniac be better off building SO#2, or would those resources be better devoted to Spider-Man or even Ratchet & Clank?

Where's the sequels to Lost Odyssey, Bloodwake, Kung Fu Chaos, Crimson Skies, Blue Dragon, Jade Empire, etc.

Bloodwake, that takes me back. How about Azurik 2 (j/k). Jade Empire would be an example of what I'm talking about above -- that's as much Bioware's decision as MS's, and Bioware wants to put their resources toward other projects, like ruining their long-term franchises (lol). I don't think L.O. or Blue Dragon did very well on the Xbox platform. I do know the developer (I forget his name) packed his bags and went elsewhere.

Anyhow, it's the developer's choice as well, not just MS's. I think another factor this gen is that MS has half the install base of the PS4. It's a much bigger risk for a developer to go all-in with MS and forgo that 2x install base as potential customers. It's different than it was last gen., in that way, and I'm sure that plays into it.

Also where are the replacements for Big hits like Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive and Splinter Cell? All those games are 3rd party but they are the games that helped Xbox have an identity and helped Xbox be a must have console.

I agree with you, it would be nice to have the MS from years ago back. Like it was in OG Xbox or first-half 360 era. Things were really jumping then.

Anyhow, I appreciate your posts! Welcome to the forum. I know I'm late with that.

 

[EG101]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I always appreciate long-time Xbox gamers who are willing to talk about the problems, rather than insist everything is wonderful. (I'm actually a long-time Xbox gamer myself, though I drifted away near the end of the 360 lifecycle and have been a Sony Pony ever since.)

I do wish that MS would stick with new IPs longer than they do, but I can't really criticize their decisions, because it's their business, and they know the numbers. If a game underperforms and gets mediocre reviews, how much money are you supposed to keep investing in it?

Also, I don't think it's all MS's decision or risk. A big part of the risk is shared by the developer. If a game tanks, that hurts the developer, not just MS. It's the developer's choice about where to put their resources. Would Insomniac be better off building SO#2, or would those resources be better devoted to Spider-Man or even Ratchet & Clank?



Bloodwake, that takes me back. How about Azurik 2 (j/k). Jade Empire would be an example of what I'm talking about above -- that's as much Bioware's decision as MS's, and Bioware wants to put their resources toward other projects, like ruining their long-term franchises (lol). I don't think L.O. or Blue Dragon did very well on the Xbox platform. I do know the developer (I forget his name) packed his bags and went elsewhere.

Anyhow, it's the developer's choice as well, not just MS's. I think another factor this gen is that MS has half the install base of the PS4. It's a much bigger risk for a developer to go all-in with MS and forgo that 2x install base as potential customers. It's different than it was last gen., in that way, and I'm sure that plays into it.



I agree with you, it would be nice to have the MS from years ago back. Like it was in OG Xbox or first-half 360 era. Things were really jumping then.

Anyhow, I appreciate your posts! Welcome to the forum. I know I'm late with that.

Thanks

Going back to the original discussion, I personally supported every Rare release on Xbox. I also made sure to buy Banjo and Viva Pinata day one. MS can slowly build up the fan base for these games by investing in them. Yes it's going to take time to build it and initially it'll be a heavy investment but in due time the fan base for those types of games will eventually migrate into the Xbox Ecosystem. There is no other way to do it. There are No short cuts to success but the worst thing MS can do is give up. I personally will be there Day 1 for Super Lucky Tales to show support for these type of games.

 

[JinCA]

So you're just going to ignore and down play the games MS released for 360 by calling them watered down XB1 releases.



MS has to be patient with building a fan base for some of these New IP.
They can't expect every new ip to sell gang busters on it's first try. Many times these games have tons of room for improvement with a sequel on the same engine. The 2nd game can many times bring in more fans. MS has no patience with their IP. The very reason many long time XB gamers are frustrated.
Where's the sequels to Lost Odyssey, Bloodwake, Kung Fu Chaos, Crimson Skies, Blue Dragon, Jade Empire, etc.
Also where are the replacements for Big hits like Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive and Splinter Cell? All those games are 3rd party but they are the games that helped Xbox have an identity and helped Xbox be a must have console.

I'm talking about actually creating high profile games for the older platform specifically, porting down some X1 games isn't really the same thing. Sony put out 3 high profile 1st party games the year before the PS4 was released so those studios weren't able to release new games for the PS4 for a while.

 

[ZombiesRUCrazy]

I've said it before in other threads. Microsoft is not exciting in the game space right now. Playing it super safe and really, it's not just in the game side. The entire company has been playing it safe for the last few years.

Generally Microsoft doesn't mind taking a hit here and there, but ever since the nokia acquisition write off and and laying off tens of thousands of employees, they have played it super safe. Focusing more on Azure and cloud stuff.

I mean look at hololens. Thing was announced what, 3 or 4 years ago. Huge fanfare. Next big thing. Got people excited.

Nothing to show for it. Microsoft just isn't taking any chances in any of it's divisions right now.

For me personally as I pay attention to the games side of Microsoft more than anything else, it definitely shows. Microsoft isn't exciting and that is coming from somebody that bought the x1 day one and getting the 1x day one. Microsoft isn't exciting.

Their first party output shows that. Still stuck in the same handful of franchises that they have been stuck in for the last 10 years with the occasional one off game that is to never be heard from again.

And yes, Sony and Nintendo also rely on the same franchises, but they also take more chances within those franchises and/or give the developer some creative freedom in between releasing games in the franchise staples. That's the difference.

Like seriously, I love the look of Sea of Thieves and hope it's successful, but at the same time I hope Microsoft isn't stupid and ties Rare down just to that one franchise. That's the last thing they need. Another studio stuck on franchise, but it's exactly what I can see them doing.

 

[Mcmasters]

I've said it before in other threads. Microsoft is not exciting in the game space right now. Playing it super safe and really, it's not just in the game side. The entire company has been playing it safe for the last few years.

Generally Microsoft doesn't mind taking a hit here and there, but ever since the nokia acquisition write off and and laying off tens of thousands of employees, they have played it super safe. Focusing more on Azure and cloud stuff.

I mean look at hololens. Thing was announced what, 3 or 4 years ago. Huge fanfare. Next big thing. Got people excited.

Nothing to show for it. Microsoft just isn't taking any chances in any of it's divisions right now.

For me personally as I pay attention to the games side of Microsoft more than anything else, it definitely shows. Microsoft isn't exciting and that is coming from somebody that bought the x1 day one and getting the 1x day one. Microsoft isn't exciting.

Their first party output shows that. Still stuck in the same handful of franchises that they have been stuck in for the last 10 years with the occasional one off game that is to never be heard from again.

And yes, Sony and Nintendo also rely on the same franchises, but they also take more chances within those franchises and/or give the developer some creative freedom in between releasing games in the franchise staples. That's the difference.

Like seriously, I love the look of Sea of Thieves and hope it's successful, but at the same time I hope Microsoft isn't stupid and ties Rare down just to that one franchise. That's the last thing they need. Another studio stuck on franchise, but it's exactly what I can see them doing.

Let's be frank; Halo, Gears and Forza are franchises that are simply that big. They demand an ongoing legacy. These titles are among the best of the best or, simply the best at what they do. I agree, MS needs to establish other titles in the same manner. But gaming in general, literally, would not be the same without those three in particular. Hating on them or down playing them isn't going to change anything. Nor should it.

I just finished rewatching the last E3. MS really did a great job showing a diverse and exciting mix of games we'll be able to play in the next year. Every kind of game gamers could want was shown and a good majority of them looked great. This includes exclusives. Not to mention they had a great unveiling of the 1X. Every game shown on their stage and a lot of those that weren't, will all look and play best on the X1. Every. Single. Game. Think about that for a sec..

Not one of the other big 3 can say that. Not one. Even if you don't have a 4K screen, your games are going to look the best they possibly can on 1080p screens. System wide improvements on ALL games - even BC games. Again, not one console on the market can tout such a feat. And this will be the case for at least four or five years. Now you add in new exclusives in the oven as we speak, and, I mean, seriously.... WTF?! lol

 

[yankeessuck]

Let's be frank; Halo, Gears and Forza are franchises that are simply that big. They demand an ongoing legacy. These titles are among the best of the best or, simply the best at what they do. I agree, MS needs to establish other titles in the same manner. But gaming in general, literally, would not be the same without those three in particular. Hating on them or down playing them isn't going to change anything. Nor should it.

I just finished rewatching the last E3. MS really did a great job showing a diverse and exciting mix of games we'll be able to play in the next year. Every kind of game gamers could want was shown and a good majority of them looked great. This includes exclusives. Not to mention they had a great unveiling of the 1X. Every game shown on their stage and a lot of those that weren't, will all look and play best on the X1. Every. Single. Game. Think about that for a sec..

Not one of the other big 3 can say that. Not one. Even if you don't have a 4K screen, your games are going to look the best they possibly can on 1080p screens. System wide improvements on ALL games - even BC games. Again, not one console on the market can tout such a feat. And this will be the case for at least four or five years. Now you add in new exclusives in the oven as we speak, and, I mean, seriously.... WTF?! lol

Old Mcmasters told me exclusives are the only thing that matter.

 

[Andy]

Should we retire this thread? It feels like we just keep rehashing the same ideas.

Anyone have anything new to add?

 

[Larry]

Yes. I don't know.

Nope.

 

[JinCA]

I've said it before in other threads. Microsoft is not exciting in the game space right now. Playing it super safe and really, it's not just in the game side. The entire company has been playing it safe for the last few years.

Generally Microsoft doesn't mind taking a hit here and there, but ever since the nokia acquisition write off and and laying off tens of thousands of employees, they have played it super safe. Focusing more on Azure and cloud stuff.

I mean look at hololens. Thing was announced what, 3 or 4 years ago. Huge fanfare. Next big thing. Got people excited.

Nothing to show for it. Microsoft just isn't taking any chances in any of it's divisions right now.

For me personally as I pay attention to the games side of Microsoft more than anything else, it definitely shows. Microsoft isn't exciting and that is coming from somebody that bought the x1 day one and getting the 1x day one. Microsoft isn't exciting.

Their first party output shows that. Still stuck in the same handful of franchises that they have been stuck in for the last 10 years with the occasional one off game that is to never be heard from again.

And yes, Sony and Nintendo also rely on the same franchises, but they also take more chances within those franchises and/or give the developer some creative freedom in between releasing games in the franchise staples. That's the difference.

Like seriously, I love the look of Sea of Thieves and hope it's successful, but at the same time I hope Microsoft isn't stupid and ties Rare down just to that one franchise. That's the last thing they need. Another studio stuck on franchise, but it's exactly what I can see them doing.

I wish they'd let Rare make another Kameo, the first one was beautiful and really stood out years after launch on the 360. Sea of thieves does nothing for me, a pirate game would be great but I'm more of a single player guy and that's not something this game really offers. I give them credit for trying something new with it though, sadly it seems more like a games as a service type of thing which is a direction I don't want them to go.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Well, lets be honest now if we stop and think about it when has MS been cool or hip? Maybe before the apple 1984 big brother commercial? None of their products (hardware) outside of xbox have been accepted as the "tickle me Elmo" hot product vs the competition. It is a climb for the xbox division and why would you think they would be perceived by the public any differently? When I think of MS I think the 1% old rich white dude. I'm sure others feel the same. There is a growing hate towards that 1%.

Its all about the games.
They haven't made games like they used 2.
Gamers are very vocal and speak with there wallets.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Sweet so we can talk about the KillzoneGranTurismoUnchartedStation in this thread??

No because PlayStation doesn't constantly release those games like Xbox with borza every year,a halo or gears every other..
Playstation has variety.

 

[TeKPhaN]

If you don't see the Anti Xbox Agenda in not only Gaming Forums but Gaming Journalism then you're Blind or Biased.

Nah they are getting the criticism they deserve.
You have to put out better games these days.. If you don't gamers and the media let you have it.

 

[Kvally]

No because PlayStation doesn't constantly release those games like Xbox with borza every year,a halo gears.

They sure f***ing do.

 

[jimmyD]

Nah they are getting the criticism they deserve.
You have to put out better games these days.. If you don't gamers and the media let you have it.

And when you do have it you'll still be in s***. It is like being married really...

 

[Mcmasters]

Microsoft actually has a lot of variety on games coming within the year judging by E3. They just happen to have a very powerful console to go along with it. This won't fair well with fanboys and the media though.

Crackdown 3 is just the start. It's no accident that fanboy are just now "concerned" about CD3 visuals. Where was all this concern when MS first announced Crackdown 3? Just sayin..

 

[TeKPhaN]

And when you do have it you'll still be in s***. It is like being married really...

lol well they are going to still be sleeping on the couch but if they keep trying(maybe roses?) they will eventually get to sleep in the bed with the Misses.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Microsoft actually has a lot of variety on games coming within the year judging by E3. They just happen to have a very powerful console to go along with it. This won't fair well with fanboys and the media though.

Crackdown 3 is just the start. It's no accident that fanboy are just now "concerned" about CD3 visuals. Where was all this concern when MS first announced Crackdown 3? Just sayin..

CD3 visually looks like a major downgrade has occurred.
Gameplay will have to be good or it will be another dud.

 

[Mcmasters]

CD3 visually looks like a major downgrade has occurred.
Gameplay will have to be good or it will be another dud.

Developers actually commented on all the hate for CD3 just recently. Theyre still adding polish to the game and 4K videos are on the way. You guys are calling this thing too soon. I expect many to still hold to the "downgrade" comments even after the game releases and blow the balls off all the doubters. Typical, s*** is typical though. That MP gonna be adopting some of you lost souls too. I all ready signed on as the cook on release day. I'll be serving crow-kabobs for you Lil bishes. lol

 

[TeKPhaN]

Developers actually commented on all the hate for CD3 just recently. Theyre still adding polish to the game and 4K videos are on the way. You guys are calling this thing too soon. I expect many to still hold to the "downgrade" comments even after the game releases and blow the balls off all the doubters. Typical, s*** is typical though. That MP gonna be adopting some of you lost souls too. I all ready signed on as the cook on release day. I'll be serving crow-kabobs for you Lil bishes. lol

How could it improve when it looked better the last few years on just regular XBO?
I am not buying it improving much with the release being so soon.
The dev blows so I have much doubts the game will turn out good at all.
WTH was MS thinking hiring them to handle a decent exclusive?

 

[Mcmasters]

How could it improve when it looked better the last few years on just regular XBO?
I am not buying it improving much with the release being so soon.
The dev blows so I have much doubts the game will turn out good at all.
WTH was MS thinking hiring them to handle a decent exclusive?

Yup. You gonna be the first one I serve. I can see that right now. How you like your crow-kabobs, bro? With feathers or without? Seared or broiled? I'm here to serve.

In all seriousness, it's going to be on much more powerful hardware. Why not just wait and see? Would you be speaking this way of it were coming to Pro? I doubt it.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Yup. You gonna be the first one I serve. I can see that right now. How you like your crow-kabobs, bro? With feathers or without? Seared or broiled? I'm here to serve.

In all seriousness, it's going to be on much more powerful hardware. Why not just wait and see? Would you be speaking this way of it were coming to Pro? I doubt it.

I can get it and run it better than the X but in its current state I have no desire...not sure what the Pro has to do with the visual downgrades? It doesn't look that good or fun(most importantly)
I haven't played it but if I were betting the outlook isn't to good for its scores or sales.

 

[Mcmasters]

I can get it and run it better than the X but in its current state I have no desire...not sure what the Pro has to do with the visual downgrades? It doesn't look that good or fun(most importantly)
I haven't played it but if I were betting the outlook isn't to good for its scores or sales.

Jesus. You haven't even played the games?!

Why am I shocked? This is weird.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Jesus. You haven't even played the games?!

Why am I shocked? This is weird.

I haven't played part 3 bro part 3.