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I think the tech hurdles will be overcome much easier for BC with the move to a new gen than they have been in the past, they aren't going from Nvidia to AMD, they aren't going from the Cell to a pretty weak CPU etc. They likely took time testing boost mode before allowing everyone to use it simply because they didn't want their new console revision causing problems, don't forget all games still worked right away they just didn't boost anything until they tested it more.

Oh, it should be easier now than with the previous generations, to be sure. But the way they did it with the Pro (disabling GPU resources, downclocking to match the stock PS4) illustrates the problem - their software is tied into the hardware too tightly for them to easily run it on another platform, even one that's only different beacuse of a somewhat faster CPU and more graphics CUs, with the exact same memory. Even that relatively inconsequential change, a side-step on the same generation in a console built to run the exact same games, needed all that testing before the games could even be trusted to work?

The point being, going from the PS4 to the PS4 Pro was a same-generation incremental step. Same amount of RAM. Upclocked processor, more CUs on the GPU, but essentially it's about as best-case scenario as it could be... and it still at launch couldn't even be trusted to run the same games unless it was throttled down to stock PS4 levels. Now, a PS5 presumably won't be using a faster Jaguar, presumably won't be using a similar but faster GPU setup, may not have the same memory interface and almost certainly will have more memory. Games made for the PS5 will absolutely be stunning, but I think they'll have to make tradeoffs if they're going to support BC and honestly they've been downplaying BC all generation because it's simply one of the very few areas that they're dramatically inferior to the competition at.
 
Oh, it should be easier now than with the previous generations, to be sure. But the way they did it with the Pro (disabling GPU resources, downclocking to match the stock PS4) illustrates the problem - their software is tied into the hardware too tightly for them to easily run it on another platform, even one that's only different beacuse of a somewhat faster CPU and more graphics CUs, with the exact same memory. Even that relatively inconsequential change, a side-step on the same generation in a console built to run the exact same games, needed all that testing before the games could even be trusted to work?

The point being, going from the PS4 to the PS4 Pro was a same-generation incremental step. Same amount of RAM. Upclocked processor, more CUs on the GPU, but essentially it's about as best-case scenario as it could be... and it still at launch couldn't even be trusted to run the same games unless it was throttled down to stock PS4 levels. Now, a PS5 presumably won't be using a faster Jaguar, presumably won't be using a similar but faster GPU setup, may not have the same memory interface and almost certainly will have more memory. Games made for the PS5 will absolutely be stunning, but I think they'll have to make tradeoffs if they're going to support BC and honestly they've been downplaying BC all generation because it's simply one of the very few areas that they're dramatically inferior to the competition at.

I think they've been downplaying BC mostly because they knew they couldn't do it this gen without using an outside service, compatibility between the PS3 and PS4 was likely much harder than it would have been for 360 to X1. I'm sure both offered plenty of challenges but MS likely had an easier time simply because they weren't having to try to work with the cell processor and an Nvidia GPU as the starting point. We'll see, I am sure they are looking into PS4 games working on the PS5, it should be easier to achieve now than it was before and it'll help take away an advantage that a direct competitor has.
 
Gamestop says Xbox One X is selling out soon as it gets restocked according to this article. Is a hot item this holiday.

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/11/22/nintendo-switch-xbox-one-x-big-sellers-black-friday-gamestop/

At least we know the Xbox One X is doing good, who knows that that means for the S though.

Also has high remarks on Switch in that article.

Funny because gamestop.com has them and so do most of their stores in my area :) I'm sure it's selling well though.
 
Xbox One X Scorpio edition sold out at Amazon.
Xbox One X regular edition not available to order online from Best Buy, only in store remaining stock.
Xbox One X Scorpio edition sold out at Best Buy

As of 11/22/2017 2:40pm CDT

On Amazon, for ALL of 2017 so far (first 11 months), the Xbox One X is #52, PS Pro is #82.

Of note, there are 2 regular PS4 consoles in the top 100 for the year so far, and NO Xbox One S consoles in the top 100. Not sure if that is because the sales were weak for the Xbox One, or that since it has 10+ different bundles, the sales are spread out between all of them?

Amazon has the following Xbox One S bundles:

Battlefield 1
Forza Horizon 3
Minecraft
Madden 18
Hotwheels
Gears 4
1TB Edition
Call of Duty WWII
Assassin's Creed Origins
Ultimate Halo Bundle
FIFA

That is way too many bundles.
 
PS5 won't come out till 2020 as Sony will need its first party studios ready to have games releasing and so many of them still have games to release in the next year or two. Plus I think the PS5 comes out when GTA VI comes out and that will be cross-gen.
 
I think they've been downplaying BC mostly because they knew they couldn't do it this gen without using an outside service, compatibility between the PS3 and PS4 was likely much harder than it would have been for 360 to X1. I'm sure both offered plenty of challenges but MS likely had an easier time simply because they weren't having to try to work with the cell processor and an Nvidia GPU as the starting point. We'll see, I am sure they are looking into PS4 games working on the PS5, it should be easier to achieve now than it was before and it'll help take away an advantage that a direct competitor has.

I'm sure they'll at least consider it, and it will be easier than Ps3 to PS4. But based on what they had to do just to get PS4 games working on the PS4 Pro, and knowing that the PS5 can't be anywhere near the same hardware if it'll be a generational leap, I would not at all expect a smooth transition.
 
I'm sure they'll at least consider it, and it will be easier than Ps3 to PS4. But based on what they had to do just to get PS4 games working on the PS4 Pro, and knowing that the PS5 can't be anywhere near the same hardware if it'll be a generational leap, I would not at all expect a smooth transition.

PS4 games worked on the Pro just fine from day one, it was doing the boost mode thing that took some time and that was just them making sure it wasn't causing problems. Not all Xbox 360 BC games work flawlessly either, the force unleashed crashed on me about 5 times before it finally started working and the Endor DLC for the force unleashed 2 has a lot of missing textures early on, there are parts where it should be grass or a rock and it's just a huge black square.
 
Xbox One X Scorpio edition sold out at Amazon.
Xbox One X regular edition not available to order online from Best Buy, only in store remaining stock.
Xbox One X Scorpio edition sold out at Best Buy

As of 11/22/2017 2:40pm CDT

On Amazon, for ALL of 2017 so far (first 11 months), the Xbox One X is #52, PS Pro is #82.

Of note, there are 2 regular PS4 consoles in the top 100 for the year so far, and NO Xbox One S consoles in the top 100. Not sure if that is because the sales were weak for the Xbox One, or that since it has 10+ different bundles, the sales are spread out between all of them?

Amazon has the following Xbox One S bundles:

Battlefield 1
Forza Horizon 3
Minecraft
Madden 18
Hotwheels
Gears 4
1TB Edition
Call of Duty WWII
Assassin's Creed Origins
Ultimate Halo Bundle
FIFA

That is way too many bundles.

yeah all those bundles definitely makes it hard for them to get into top 100. But with the $189 tomorrow on Amazon, that one probably will make it cause of BF.
 
PS5 won't come out till 2020 as Sony will need its first party studios ready to have games releasing and so many of them still have games to release in the next year or two. Plus I think the PS5 comes out when GTA VI comes out and that will be cross-gen.

I would also assume that they would like to have a new VR headset ready to launch alongside the system.
 
It's an awful big leap to assume that the PS5 will be able to play the PS4 games straight out of the box; Sony has always done BC via hardware (see "boost mode" on the Pro for current reference). Hardware BC costs money and die space. I think given Sony's position as the clear market leader, the amount of profit per console they have to be getting, and my expectation that they can't just do BC and know that MS can, I would not be surprised at all if Sony's aiming to push this generation even longer.

X86 architecture + prevalence of evergreen games this gen + the importance of PSN to Sony = 100% positive the PS5 (and XBoxTwo) will be backwards compatible with last generations games right out of the box.

In 2019, the base PS4 will be $199 and the Pro will most likely be $299. The PS5 will either launch in 2019 or 2020 at $399 or $499.

These are the things I would bet large amounts of money on.
 
Now that the deals have started Amazon looks like this for the month

PS4: 4/64/74/84
X1: 21/23/39/48
Switch: 10/11
 
Now that the deals have started Amazon looks like this for the month

PS4: 4/64/74/84
X1: 21/23/39/48
Switch: 10/11

Monthly update:

#05 / PS4 Slim 1TB ($199)
#10 / NSW Neon ($299)
#11 / NSW Grey ($299)
#17 / XB1 S 500gb ($189)
#22 / XB1 X 1TB ($499)
#26 / XB1 X 1TB Scorpio ($499)
#32 / SNES Classic ($79)
#45 / XB1 S 500gb BF1 ($229)
#62 / PS4 PRO 1TB White ($349)
#71 / PS4 Slim 1TB COD WWII ($299)
#76 / PS4 Slim 1 TB SWB2 ($299)
#92 / New 2DS XL ($149)
#100 / New 2DS XL Pokémon ($159)

Just updated like noon today. Xbox One S 500gb going to go even higher though as its still #2 and not selling out.

hard to predict who wins as PS4 is sold out on Amazon and 500gb Xbox one S is going strong still. So PS4 could keep losing spots as Xbox one s creeps up on it.

Unless Sony Restocks it. If they don't I'm predicting a X1 win for November, as if S gets close to PS4 Slim 1tb than the Xbox One X preorders and launch should over take it.
 
#2 X1S
#17 Switch
#20 Switch
#24 PS4
#42 X1X
#45 PS Pro
#53 PS4
#63 X1S

Pro dropping fast.
 
#2 X1S
#17 Switch
#20 Switch
#24 PS4
#42 X1X
#45 PS Pro
#53 PS4
#63 X1S

Pro dropping fast.

It's been sold out for a day that's why. PS4 1Tb slim I guess people still buying from 3rd partys even though its not sale price anymore as it didn't drop as fast.
 
#2 X1S
#17 Switch
#20 Switch
#24 PS4
#42 X1X
#45 PS Pro

#53 PS4
#63 X1S

Pro dropping fast.

Actually, that's pretty sad results for the X1X. Just barely above PS Pro, which has been out for a year.
 
Actually, that's pretty sad results for the X1X. Just barely above PS Pro, which has been out for a year.

How it was $100 off yesterday? That's why it went to #5 on Amazon charts and it sold out so its been falling ever since.

Plus it had no Pro in the top 100 for November monthly for the Pro. It took a fire sale for it happen and it only got to #64 monthly.

Also the Star Wars PS4 Pro bundle never even made Top 100 for Hourly even on release day. The Pro has been a huge failure this year. I surprised that hasn't had a fire sale after the Destiny bundle. highest it ever was #125 on release day. that's sad.

I'm not biased either I got all 3 systems. I just remember Star Wars PS4 Pro coming out and I'm like where is it in the top 20. I go to the page and saw it was #125 Ranking. I was like wow Pro really has died off.
 
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Actually, that's pretty sad results for the X1X. Just barely above PS Pro, which has been out for a year.
Pretty good for a premium $500 price, "no games", and sold out at times then back in stock. It wasn't available for awhile yesterday.
 
Pretty good for a premium $500 price, "no games", and sold out at times then back in stock. It wasn't available for awhile yesterday.

It's had stock issues. I mean BB website hasn't even had it in stock since release day, that's 2 weeks 3 days now. Plus my BB store has had troubles keeping it in stock.
 
It's had stock issues. I mean BB website hasn't even had it in stock since release day, that's 2 weeks 3 days now. Plus my BB store has had troubles keeping it in stock.
Hmm at best buy I can order one to be shipped or pick up in store.
Was considering one or the other but my son doesn't want it at this time.
 
It's had stock issues. I mean BB website hasn't even had it in stock since release day, that's 2 weeks 3 days now. Plus my BB store has had troubles keeping it in stock.
Yup still can't buy it online at Bestbuy.com.
 
Hmm at best buy I can order one to be shipped or pick up in store.
Was considering one or the other but my son doesn't want it at this time.
You said the same thing about Amazon last week but that wasn't true. It was sold out. You could get notified when it was back in stock though.
 
Hmm at best buy I can order one to be shipped or pick up in store.
Was considering one or the other but my son doesn't want it at this time.

You can pick it up in store yes but website is sold out. I have a few stores around me with it in stock, but for awhile it said none within 250 miles but they probably got stock in for BF.
 
You can pick it up in store yes but website is sold out. I have a few stores around me with it in stock, but for awhile it said none within 250 miles but they probably got stock in for BF.
Its now showing sold out online but wasn't earlier.
In store is still available.... Scorpio sold out in both scenarios.
 
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