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SoD's success shows three things:

1. Mediocre reviews do not equal mediocre sales. Games with mediocre reviews can sell very well.

2. People talk about "zombie fatigue," but a lot of people are still buying zombie games.

3. Being on Game Pass doesn't seem to hurt a game's sales (at least it didn't with this).
 
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Mat P prognosticating:

“I think Switch should have a real nice June, and then a big boost with Pokemon,” said Mat Piscatella, analyst for the NPD Group, speaking to GamingBolt. “PS4 should continue to trend well, but Xbox One could take a month or two, especially as we get into holiday. The big unknowns are pricing and promotional strategies for Q4, which can swing shares a bit. Regardless, I do expect [a] good year for all three to continue.”

Piscatella also talked about how the US market isn’t zero sum, and how data suggests that the success of one console doesn’t seem to come at the expense of the others.

“I think the market is a bit less directly competitive than most think. Cross-ownership rates are high, shows me that these boxes are meeting different player wants and needs. I don’t think the market is zero sum.”

https://gamingbolt.com/ps4-xbox-one...o-have-a-good-year-npd-analyst-mat-piscatella
 
Andy said:
Happy to see Detroit has outsold Heavy Rain. That's an accomplishment.

Surprised to see SoD2 on top. That's a $30 game, so it needed to sell twice as much as $60 titles to achieve that rank. Fits with Phil's statement about it selling better than expected and Game Pass not hurting it.
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Never knew NPD went by dollars, always thought it was ranked by units sold, you learn something new every day huh? lol
 
For the past month or so, the Xbox One One X has been outselling the Xbox One S on the hourly Amazon video game best sellers. So I went and checked 2018 to date, and the Xbox One X is #52. The Xbox One S is #51. At this rate, the Xbox One X "could" pass the Xbox One S (at least the sku that they show in the top 100). I don't think the Xbox One X will outsell Xbox One S (all bundles combined), but the fact that it's been outselling the normal Xbox One S and the only one currently in the top 100 shows me that the Xbox One X is doing pretty decent still. I wonder if it will drop to $399 this fall, and Xbox One S drop to $199.
 
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Hedon said:
For the past month or so, the Xbox One One X has been outselling the Xbox One S on the hourly Amazon video game best sellers. So I went and checked 2018 to date, and the Xbox One X is #52. The Xbox One S is #51. At this rate, the Xbox One X "could" pass the Xbox One S (at least the sku that they show in the top 100). I don't think the Xbox One X will outsell Xbox One S (all bundles combined), but the fact that it's been outselling the normal Xbox One S and the only one currently in the top 100 shows me that the Xbox One X is doing pretty decent still. I wonder if it will drop to $399 this fall, and Xbox One S drop to $199.
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I wouldn't make too much out of amazon figures. Amazon represents only about 4% of US retail sales, so it's a very small sample to draw conclusions from. I doubt a $500 console is selling nearly the same as a $200 one, WW or US.

I wonder why it's doing so well on amazon. Maybe there's a correlation between the kind of people who shop on amazon and the kind of people who care about these sorts of electronics. I dunno.
 
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The great thing about games like Detroit is they have other markets to gain sales from such as Europe and Asia. If an Xbox exclusive does not do well in the US you can pretty much guarantee its sales will not be good because the rest of the world will not prep it up. Case in point is God Of War did around 1.8 million in America the first month whilst it did like 280k in the UK and over 200k in Germany. I doubt any exclusive bar Forza Horizon is going to have much pull outside of America.
 
timmy-boy said:
The great thing about games like Detroit is they have other markets to gain sales from such as Europe and Asia. If an Xbox exclusive does not do well in the US you can pretty much guarantee its sales will not be good because the rest of the world will not prep it up. Case in point is God Of War did around 1.8 million in America the first month whilst it did like 280k in the UK and over 200k in Germany. I doubt any exclusive bar Forza Horizon is going to have much pull outside of America.
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Halo, maybe. But yeah, Xbox is a very US/UK-centric console, so it's easy to gauge the success of its games by looking at NPD. That's 55% of their market (maybe 65% if you add UK). If an Xbox game doesn't perform well there, it is in trouble.

Can't really say the same of Sony games. The US is only about 33% of their market, so using NPD -- or even worse, UK numbers -- to gauge success of a Sony game is problematic. The recent example was Detroit. When you looked at UK data, it looked like the game wasn't doing so great. In fact, WW, it was doing very well.
 
Andy said:
Yeah, it's a revenue-based chart.
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One thing I'd point out though is State of Decay 2 also has a $50 option, that's the one I bought so it's not just a $30 game. I'm sure the majority of sales were the $30 version but it didn't really have to sell double of what other games did to take the top spot.
 
Anyone wondering why the One X is outselling the One S on amazon just needs to click on the One S and you'll see why, it's out of stock until June 30th. They are still both on sale btw $199 and $449.
 
Andy said:
Halo, maybe. But yeah, Xbox is a very US/UK-centric console, so it's easy to gauge the success of its games by looking at NPD. That's 55% of their market (maybe 65% if you add UK). If an Xbox game doesn't perform well there, it is in trouble.

Can't really say the same of Sony games. The US is only about 33% of their market, so using NPD -- or even worse, UK numbers -- to gauge success of a Sony game is problematic. The recent example was Detroit. When you looked at UK data, it looked like the game wasn't doing so great. In fact, WW, it was doing very well.
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Where you come up with the 33% number for Sony/NA?
 
VaLLiancE said:
Where you come up with the 33% number for Sony/NA?
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It's probably true, Sony does much better globally than MS so while they have sold several million more PS4's here than MS has X1's it's still a smaller percentage of their overall global business.
 
VaLLiancE said:
Where you come up with the 33% number for Sony/NA?
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Sales gurus over at Era. It's not hard to derive, since Sony announces WW numbers all the time, and we have good NPD leaks. I might be off by a couple percentage points. Maybe it's 35, not 33. Can't remember exactly, but it's in that range.
 
Andy said:
Nah, it's lower than that. The numbers are out there, so estimates for Sony can be very accurate. It's tougher with MS.
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I agree, Sony's global lead is roughly 2-1 but in the US it's just a couple of million which means the US market is going to be a smaller percentage of their total business.
 
UK weekly sales.

Nothing too exciting. New Mario game (Mario Tennis) debuts at #1. God of War slips to #3. FIFA remains at #2. Detroit falls a couple places to #6.

01 (NE) MARIO TENNIS ACES (NINTENDO)
02 (02) FIFA 18 (EA SPORTS)
03 (01) GOD OF WAR (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
04 (07) MARIO KART 8 DELUXE (NINTENDO)
05 (03) FALLOUT 4 (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)
06 (04) DETROIT: BECOME HUMAN (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
07 (06) GRAND THEFT AUTO V (ROCKSTAR)
08 (10) CALL OF DUTY: WWII (ACTIVISION)
09 (14) SUPER MARIO ODYSSEY (NINTENDO)
10 (05) PLAYSTATION VR WORLDS (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
 
Well deserved. It was a very risky gambit for them, in terms of subject matter and approach, but it sure paid off. Not only was it financially successful, but it solidified their reputation and ultimately secured their future as a studio, under MS.
 
Here's a source I don't think we've heard from before. It captures most of Europe, not just the UK, and it includes both retail and digital (not just physical as in the UK charts). I hope we get more data from them in the future. Don't know why we haven't heard from them before.

Anyhow, here's the weekly chart for Europe:


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https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...remains-no-1-in-europe-for-third-week-running


Half that list is Sony exclusives, so you can see how dominant Sony is in Europe. A lot of that is the Days of Play promotion, though, which saw discounts on a lot of those titles.
 
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