Penello: Microsoft will talk about Xbox One's architecture "very soon"

GHost Box said:
Just like I suspected. All of that "We can't wait to show you the truth" and "In the coming months you'll see" was all just a smoke screen.

Let this be a lesson. When someone tells you it's not about money, it's ABOUT money. When someone tells you that their paper specs don't tell the full story, their paper specs TELL THE FULL STORY.
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The only one thinking that Microsoft is gonna put a supergpu hidden under the main soc is something only puresoul and misterx believe, even on these forums.
The point is that there won't be any bomb ala puresoul02. But what everyone (but GAFfers in denial) already knows is that paper specs don't tell the full story about performance. No way Xbox1 is gonna be 50% or 30% "less powerful" than PS4.
They are going to be on par on almost everything, and sometimes some games will be better looking on the X1, some other games will be on the ps4.
 
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GHost Box said:
Well I definitely agree with you on games. And I hope MS realizes that they're going to need a serious number of exclusives to set them apart this generation. They aren't going to be able to count on the multiplatformers to make their case for them anymore. They're going to need exclusives that take full advantage of whatever the hardware is capable of.

As for the X1's architects, do you really believe that whatever they end up revealing will have an impact on how games are developed? The only thing Penello is saying is that they're going to talk about the X1.
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The "power" and paper spec crutch is boring to the point of reading a phone book. We already know there are first party heavy hitters on the Xbox platform with plenty more on the way. I personally could care less how the games are developed on the X1 so long as their developed and I get to get my hands on them. Worrying about that other crap when it has nothing to do with us as gamers is wasted effort and time. I have no idea how to develop games so why I should I put any of my own personal life force into worrying about things like that mate? The X1 will be beyond fine and Sony is just be Sony. The only difference I see with the coming gen is gamers have been hearing alot of this more powerful speech concerning the Ps4, but also have questions as to why we aren't seeing it. Many won't agree but all it takes is one individual to see this for him/herself. The rest trickles down.
 
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The only one thinking that Microsoft is gonna put a supergpu hidden under the main soc is something only puresoul and misterx believe, even on these forums.
The point is that there won't be any bomb ala puresoul02. But what everyone (but GAFfers in denial) already knows is that paper specs don't tell the full story about performance. No way Xbox1 is gonna be 50% or 30% "less powerful" than PS4.
They are going to be on par on almost everything, and sometimes some games will be better looking on the X1, some other games will be on the ps4.
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Correct. Any one thinking Microsoft is going to allow Sony to out perform them in any way with their new console is fooling themselves. I still say features will take the majority of the spotlight next generation.
 
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Read the last few entries of MisterX's blog. Lots of Xbots will be sad when none of it is true.
 
Lot of insecurity about Gaf here. Truth is Albert tried to calm the waters but was ill prepared to answer the questions posed to him there. In the end he had to bail out to find more answers back at Redmond. It was a lousy way to communicate. I don't blame him -- at least he is trying. I blame MS for leaving him as the bridge between MS' technical fellow and Gaf that left him in a no win situation.

I find it odd and am suspicious of any console manufacturer that isn't up front with their specs and will remain skeptical until they do so -- no matter the company. But I don't think anything we see in the launch window will be indicitive of any power differences. If they exist, we will start to see them in the second wave of games and first party titles.
 
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Phuque said:
Lot of insecurity about Gaf here. Truth is Albert tried to calm the waters but was ill prepared to answer the questions posed to him there. In the end he had to bail out to find more answers back at Redmond. It was a lousy way to communicate. I don't blame him -- at least he is trying. I blame MS for leaving him as the bridge between MS' technical fellow and Gaf that left him in a no win situation.

I find it odd and am suspicious of any console manufacturer that isn't up front with their specs and will remain skeptical until they do so -- no matter the company. But I don't think anything we see in the launch window will be indicitive of any power differences. If they exist, we will start to see them in the second wave of games and first party titles.
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MS didn't detail the X360 hardware until after launch. Were you bitter/untrustworthy of MS then? Especially after more than a year of Sony going on and on about the PS3 and its world changing Cell and 1.2 TFlops of performance before actually being released?
 
Mcmasters said:
Correct. Any one thinking Microsoft is going to allow Sony to out perform them in any way with their new console is fooling themselves. I still say features will take the majority of the spotlight next generation.
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Yes and again this is where software comes in play, this is one department that SONY cant compete no matter how you put it.
The more information I see on both the more I still see that X1 is still 3 years ahead.
 
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Phuque said:
Lot of insecurity about Gaf here. Truth is Albert tried to calm the waters but was ill prepared to answer the questions posed to him there. In the end he had to bail out to find more answers back at Redmond. It was a lousy way to communicate. I don't blame him -- at least he is trying. I blame MS for leaving him as the bridge between MS' technical fellow and Gaf that left him in a no win situation.

I find it odd and am suspicious of any console manufacturer that isn't up front with their specs and will remain skeptical until they do so -- no matter the company. But I don't think anything we see in the launch window will be indicitive of any power differences. If they exist, we will start to see them in the second wave of games and first party titles.
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What like the 272GB/second thing? Where the X1 ram is nearly 100GB/sec faster than the PS4 ram??? Was he ill prepared to talk about it, or were they just unwilling to accept that? That the ram on the x1 is ~significantly~ faster than the PS4 ram, no matter how you try and sweep it under carpet, even if you totally ignore the ESRAM, and cpu cores that have no comparable on the PS4, like the the multiple physics cores, or the shape audio core...
 
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Phuque said:
Lot of insecurity about Gaf here. Truth is Albert tried to calm the waters but was ill prepared to answer the questions posed to him there. In the end he had to bail out to find more answers back at Redmond. It was a lousy way to communicate. I don't blame him -- at least he is trying. I blame MS for leaving him as the bridge between MS' technical fellow and Gaf that left him in a no win situation.

I find it odd and am suspicious of any console manufacturer that isn't up front with their specs and will remain skeptical until they do so -- no matter the company. But I don't think anything we see in the launch window will be indicitive of any power differences. If they exist, we will start to see them in the second wave of games and first party titles.
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I'm getting to the point of putting the "we won't see a difference until second gen" people with the mister x people. Keep moving the post if power difference doesn't show up day one......whatever.
 
Cody32599 said:
I'm getting to the point of putting the "we won't see a difference until second gen" people with the mister x people. Keep moving the post if power difference doesn't show up day one......whatever.
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Then PS3 must have been an instant let down as the first gen games were pretty awful compared to what the 360 was showing. So you confined the PS3 to cr@p based on that?
 
Ceger said:
MS didn't detail the X360 hardware until after launch. Were you bitter/untrustworthy of MS then? Especially after more than a year of Sony going on and on about the PS3 and its world changing Cell and 1.2 TFlops of performance before actually being released?
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Yes. I don't understand blind loyalty for multinational corporations -- unless you are an investor. And I was even more skeptical of Sony and the power of the cell -- anyone that knows me from TXB can attest to that fact. And you know what? The skepticism turned out to be warranted on both fronts for very different reasons -- reliabilty/developer ease. Anything else?
 
Phuque said:
Lot of insecurity about Gaf here. Truth is Albert tried to calm the waters but was ill prepared to answer the questions posed to him there. In the end he had to bail out to find more answers back at Redmond. It was a lousy way to communicate. I don't blame him -- at least he is trying. I blame MS for leaving him as the bridge between MS' technical fellow and Gaf that left him in a no win situation.

I find it odd and am suspicious of any console manufacturer that isn't up front with their specs and will remain skeptical until they do so -- no matter the company. But I don't think anything we see in the launch window will be indicitive of any power differences. If they exist, we will start to see them in the second wave of games and first party titles.
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Actually, Penello wasn't prepared for the ignorant fanboy mob that attacked his posts in response to questions many had been asking for since the beginning. Once they got it, they refused to believe it. Had nothing to do with him not knowing what he was talking about. The same will happen when the X1 engineers break down the hardware as well. No one will believe them and everyone will question their knowledge despite them having direct hands-on experience in the industry and creating hardware efficiently. No one needs a crystal ball to see this one coming...
 
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Then PS3 must have been an instant let down as the first gen games were pretty awful compared to what the 360 was showing. So you confined the PS3 to cr@p based on that?
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Ps3 was harder to work with and new tech.....Ps4 is supposedly easier to work with/etc...etc.should see a differance day one.
 
Cody32599 said:
I'm getting to the point of putting the "we won't see a difference until second gen" people with the mister x people. Keep moving the post if power difference doesn't show up day one......whatever.
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What goalposts did I move again? Want to quote the post? That has been my contention since the outset and I prefaced it with IF there are going to be differences. I did not say that there would be. Logic dictates that no developer is going to have their heads around these machines at the very outset and the better work is down the road in the generation. Is anyone holding up any first generation games from this gen as defining games of the generation for any platform?


XBoxNeo said:
What like the 272GB/second thing? Where the X1 ram is nearly 100GB/sec faster than the PS4 ram??? Was he ill prepared to talk about it, or were they just unwilling to accept that? That the ram on the x1 is ~significantly~ faster than the PS4 ram, no matter how you try and sweep it under carpet, even if you totally ignore the ESRAM, and cpu cores that have no comparable on the PS4, like the the multiple physics cores, or the shape audio core...
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No, like when he said I will have to check with the technical fellow and get back to you to several questions posed to him in that thread. No idea why some of you are so defensive about the actual events that transpired. He simply wasn't equipped to answer all of the questions thrown at him. Again, I don't blame him. Doubtful many could have without all of the knowledge. The technical fellow should have been sitting right next to him when he was responding instead of leaving Albert as the conduit to pass the answers on second hand from notes he wrote down.
 
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Phuque said:
No, like when he said I will have to check with the technical fellow and get back to you to several questions posed to him in that thread. No idea why some of you are so defensive about the actual events that transpired. He simply wasn't equipped to answer all of the questions thrown at him. Again I don't blame him. Doubtful many could have. The technical fellow should have been sitting right next to him when he was responding instead of leaving Albert as the conduit to pass the answers on second hand from notes he wrote down.
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10:1 when the engineers respond and attempt to explain things in further detail, many will deny the information and claim them to be alleged liars. Who should the engineers have sitting next to them mate? Zeus knows they'll need someone too regardless if they built the damned thing.
 
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Ps3 was harder to work with and new tech.....Ps4 is supposedly easier to work with/etc...etc.should see a differance day one.
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The X1 has more specifics to accommodate, but you are not willing to give them a game gen from launch to show what they can do? So you are saying that you wouldn't provide the X1 that measure, but PS3 was allowed it? If so, then you just showed your bias quite clearly. Then again, maybe I am confused on what we are actually talking about; pain meds for my back accident can cause issues. ;)
 
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Phuque said:
No, like when he said I will have to check with the technical fellow and get back to you to several questions posed to him in that thread. No idea why some of you are so defensive about the actual events that transpired. He simply wasn't equipped to answer all of the questions thrown at him. Again, I don't blame him. Doubtful many could have without all of the knowledge. The technical fellow should have been sitting right next to him when he was responding instead of leaving Albert as the conduit to pass the answers on second hand from notes he wrote down.
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thought too that the people questioning him were right and he came back with a corrected response?
 
Phuque said:
What goalposts did I move again? Want to quote the post? That has been my contention since the outset and I prefaced it with IF there are going to be differences. I did not say that there would be. Logic dictates that no developer is going to have their heads around these machines at the very outset and the better work is down the road in the generation. Is anyone holding up any first generation games from this gen as defining games of the generation for any platform?





No, like when he said I will have to check with the technical fellow and get back to you to several questions posed to him in that thread. No idea why some of you are so defensive about the actual events that transpired. He simply wasn't equipped to answer all of the questions thrown at him. Again, I don't blame him. Doubtful many could have without all of the knowledge. The technical fellow should have been sitting right next to him when he was responding instead of leaving Albert as the conduit to pass the answers on second hand from notes he wrote down.
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No he shouldn't have even posted....GAF is garbage when it comes to all things xbox.wouldn't/doesn't matter what he says he will get bashed all to hell on that forum
 
Z A C K said:
You know what:

The Xbox One is going to be a fun console.

The PS4 is going to be a fun console.

At the end of the day, I'd have fun on either. That's all that matters to me. I don't care "what's in the box".
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Agreed, buy whatever console has the exclusives you want to play, the multiplatform titles are going to the same. Me personally i'm more excited about Halo and Titanfall than Killzone and Infamous. Plus I prefer the offset thumbsticks in the xbox controller.
 
Ceger said:
The X1 has more specifics to accommodate, but you are not willing to give them a game gen fro launch to show what they can do? So you are saying that you wouldn't provide the X1 that measure, but PS3 was allowed it? If so, then you just showed your bias quite clearly.
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Not what i'm saying at all....i'm saying that if we dont see a advantage day one for the ps4 then we prolly never see it....because of the apparently more difficulty to make a game for xbox one it would lead me to believe that the xbox one will have greater graphics boosts later gen then ps4.
 
Phuque said:
What goalposts did I move again? Want to quote the post? That has been my contention since the outset and I prefaced it with IF there are going to be differences. I did not say that there would be. Logic dictates that no developer is going to have their heads around these machines at the very outset and the better work is down the road in the generation. Is anyone holding up any first generation games from this gen as defining games of the generation for any platform?


No, like when he said I will have to check with the technical fellow and get back to you to several questions posed to him in that thread. No idea why some of you are so defensive about the actual events that transpired. He simply wasn't equipped to answer all of the questions thrown at him. Again, I don't blame him. Doubtful many could have without all of the knowledge. The technical fellow should have been sitting right next to him when he was responding instead of leaving Albert as the conduit to pass the answers on second hand from notes he wrote down.
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I'm willing to bet that the technical fellow doesn't give a s*** about what goes on at NEO. Just because Albert didn't know all the "details" about what he told them, doesn't mean that he was not correct in what he said. The NEOnites just chose to not believe him, then used his lack of knowledge about the details as a way of saying that he was full of crap.

If I was Albert, I would not give that place the time of day again! He does not have to prove anything to them, me, or you. I know what games I want to play.. therefore I know the X1 is what I want first. When money affords, and there are actually some games on the PS4 that I want then I will purchase that one... BUT... it wont be because of the "specs".. it will be THE GAMES!

I will say it again.. its sad that the games have taken a back seat to all of the "spec" "30-50% faster (at least on paper)" bull crap.
 
Cody32599 said:
Not what i'm saying at all....i'm saying that if we dont see a advantage day one for the ps4 then we prolly never see it....because of the apparently more difficulty to make a game for xbox one it would lead me to believe that the xbox one will have greater graphics boosts later gen then ps4.
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See. It's the pain meds, I felt I was misinterpreting what you were saying.

Sorry. :oops:
 
Phuque said:
I find it odd and am suspicious of any console manufacturer that isn't up front with their specs and will remain skeptical until they do so -- no matter the company. But I don't think anything we see in the launch window will be indicitive of any power differences. If they exist, we will start to see them in the second wave of games and first party titles.
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What's the clock speed on the PS4's CPU? Or the GPU? Neither company's going out of their way to reveal all the details, though of course MS has at least announced those speeds and both have given some of the details of their architecture. The difference is that Sony's got the edge in the things that can be distilled down for the absolute layman - GDDR5 vs. DDR3, CUs on the GPU, etc. It's likely capable of more in the long run with developers committed to extracting the best out of it - much like an F1 car will blow away a typical sports car on a purpose-built race track, but would be absolutely the wrong choice to take grocery shopping unless you're fond of blowing all your money on gasoline (let alone no trunk space). That's a poor analogy, admittedly, but the concept is valid - looking just at HP on a car doesn't tell you the full story, and neither does seeing GDDR5 (which will absolutely be outperformed by DDR3 for CPU tasks).
 
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i fully expect x1 to be 10% less powerful than ps4, but that's peanuts.

x1 in 2014 is setting to be a huge year with titanfall, halo 5 and other exclusives. it's all about the games. ps4 has awesome games as well.
 
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Call me crazy mates, and I'll need a few of our tech savvy posters on this one: is it possible to lock specific functions/chips inside the hardware for either of these consoles that could potentially be unlocked to increase graphical fidelity through out a consoles life via software or upgraded dev kit? What I mean to say is, can Microsoft or Sony keep certain aspects of their hardware unavailable to devs until they deem necessary to do so and unlock those aspects through a software update, patch or dev kit later on? Not sure I'm making sense here but....
 
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