Platinum Games Scalebound

[Dno69]

Is it really that simple?

Neither of these consoles launched with BC, right? I'd say it went from being a bonus to a commodity.

As a consumer, what is the difference between a "normal" remaster, a port and backwards compatible release? I think it's just scemantics.

If I'm on Steam and let's say Nightdive studios resurrects an old game, making it compatible again and put it up for sale.. is it a new release? How would you look at the title? I'd say the fact that it's available, compatible and now has better functionality is a good thing and worth mentioning. Would you say, "that is an old windows game, shut up about it? "

All i know is that when a BC title pops up on my Xbox One, it's treated no different than a new release.. you aren't playing off the disc naively, you have downloaded a modified version of the game, it has new added features by default that you couldn't do on older hardware, it generally runs better, looks smoother, has no screen tearing etc etc.. does the fact that the title was released on 360 matter? If the put it on an Xbox One disc and had you walk into a store and buy it, would that change things?

To me it doesn't. Especially so if I've never played the game. To Xbox consumers, theiy are simply "more Xbox games" we can buy.

Sad?

True. I have Castle Crashers on BC and the remaster from GwG. and I also have Shadow Complex on BC, so I won't bother with the remaster.

More games is good. I Iove seeing old games that I bought on the 360 pop up randomly. I just DL'ed Scrap Metal. I forgot how fun it was.

 

[Zcythe]

LOL



BC has always been a bonus since the Ps2 era. You Xbox gamers including them as new releases is just sad.



Are they remastering Phantom Dust simllar to Crash or is it just a normal remaster?

It's some kind of remastered re-release. My understanding is it is the original with some additional features/assets/content.

 

[Oblong]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Now instead of Scalebound and Guerilla on front page news, it's now all about Nintendo Switch.

Now that Switch crap is actually something to get into an uproar about. Or actually less "roar" and more "woof"...what a dog.

 

[Zero-O]

I didn't know they had release dates for ccrackdown 3, sea of thieves, or Cuphead.

They were all scheduled for 2016.

Is it really that simple?

Neither of these consoles launched with BC, right? I'd say it went from being a bonus to a commodity.

As a consumer, what is the difference between a "normal" remaster, a port and backwards compatible release? I think it's just scemantics.

If I'm on Steam and let's say Nightdive studios resurrects an old game, making it compatible again and put it up for sale.. is it a new release? How would you look at the title? I'd say the fact that it's available, compatible and now has better functionality is a good thing and worth mentioning. Would you say, "that is an old windows game, shut up about it? "

All i know is that when a BC title pops up on my Xbox One, it's treated no different than a new release.. you aren't playing off the disc naively, you have downloaded a modified version of the game, it has new added features by default that you couldn't do on older hardware, it generally runs better, looks smoother, has no screen tearing etc etc.. does the fact that the title was released on 360 matter? If the put it on an Xbox One disc and had you walk into a store and buy it, would that change things?

To me it doesn't. Especially so if I've never played the game. To Xbox consumers, theiy are simply "more Xbox games" we can buy.

Sad?

Yea it's really that simple.

BC is a nice feature but these games are already made and previously existed. Let's not take credit away from the actuall new releases.

It's some kind of remastered re-release. My understanding is it is the original with some additional features/assets/content.

They called Miceosft remasters are known to be impressive Phantom Dust won't be any differen'u di remaster won't disappointment. .GKnowing Microsft ears Ah o.K.... After Gears Ultimate edition and Halo MCCSuprised

 

[Zcythe]

They called Miceosft remasters are known to be impressive Phantom Dust won't be any differen'u di remaster won't disappointment. .GKnowing Microsft ears Ah o.K.... After Gears Ultimate edition and Halo MCCSuprised

What the hell is this? Are you drunk?

 

[pravus]

Yea it's really that simple.

BC is a nice feature but these games are already made and previously existed. Let's not take credit away from the actuall new releases.

...and now they're added to the Xbox One library. Purchasable from the same exact store. This feels like the "Xbox Arcade games don't count" moment all over again; just arguing semantics for no good reason.

Whatever though. Feel free to disagree, it really doesn't change anything because anyone that buys an Xbox One and is looking for titles to play will indeed use it with this understanding.

Rare Replay is evidence that MS see's it exactly that way.

 

[The Wolf King]

The XBLA games don't count was always stupid.

Even more so when it started getting better games than what publishers released on disc. Only problem was MS didn't have the right balance between retail/XBLA/Kinect exclusives....which also didn't count

 

[Sasquatch Montana]

They were all scheduled for 2016.

So was GT: Sport, Dreams, God of War 4, Days Gone, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Gravity Rush 2, Suckerpunchs next game, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Nioh, Persona 5 and Nier 2 and The Last Guardian.

Sony delivered The Last Guardian...

Yea it's really that simple.

BC is a nice feature but these games are already made and previously existed. Let's not take credit away from the actuall new releases.

Those new releases would have to have some kind of value assigned to them for credit. A game like Persona 5 (a PS3 port) Y's Origins (A Vita/Windows Port) and Kingdom Hearts 2.8 (a PS2/DS/GBA port) have about as much value each as a BC 360 game does. In many ways less.

...and now they're added to the Xbox One library. Purchasable from the same exact store. This feels like the "Xbox Arcade games don't count" moment all over again; just arguing semantics for no good reason.

Well yeah, but there is a good reason for that.

If you include XBLA games, the 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3.
If you include Kinect games, the 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3
If you include Indie games, 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3 and PS2 and PS1 combined.

I mean, you can't just do something impartial like look at the library as a whole and say the Xbox 360 had way more content. That might be factually correct, but you have realise none of these count ...unless..you include those handful of Indie games on PSN, you include PSVR games, you include games on another system (like Vita, PS3, PC, PS4 Pro) but not on Xbox One!

I mean can you see anyone wanting to play games like this...

...When there's real, new release games like Dreamfall Chapters coming to PS4 semi-exclusively?

 

[pravus]

Currently playing through Blue Dragon for the first time. Did a run through Mass Effect 3 last month. Bought Catherine, Red Dead Redemption DLC to go through next. Probably picking up Rainbow Six games after that... sorely missed genre.

Wife played through Oblivion, Dead Space and Condemned again recently.

Maybe I'm a bit biased?

 

[Sasquatch Montana]

Currently playing through Blue Dragon for the first time. Did a run through Mass Effect 3 last month. Bought Catherine, Red Dead Redemption DLC to go through next. Probably picking up Rainbow Six games after that... sorely missed genre.

Wife played through Oblivion, Dead Space and Condemned again recently.

Maybe I'm a bit biased?

Clearly, it's an unwritten rule that already released games are for list wars, not for playing.

 

[Intellivision]

So was GT: Sport, Dreams, God of War 4, Days Gone, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Gravity Rush 2, Suckerpunchs next game, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Nioh, Persona 5 and Nier 2 and The Last Guardian.

Sony delivered The Last Guardian...



Those new releases would have to have some kind of value assigned to them for credit. A game like Persona 5 (a PS3 port) Y's Origins (A Vita/Windows Port) and Kingdom Hearts 2.8 (a PS2/DS/GBA port) have about as much value each as a BC 360 game does. In many ways less.



Well yeah, but there is a good reason for that.

If you include XBLA games, the 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3.
If you include Kinect games, the 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3
If you include Indie games, 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3 and PS2 and PS1 combined.

I mean, you can't just do something impartial like look at the library as a whole and say the Xbox 360 had way more content. That might be factually correct, but you have realise none of these count ...unless..you include those handful of Indie games on PSN, you include PSVR games, you include games on another system (like Vita, PS3, PC, PS4 Pro) but not on Xbox One!

I mean can you see anyone wanting to play games like this...

...When there's real, new release games like Dreamfall Chapters coming to PS4 semi-exclusively?

Funny how temperamant changes. Last gen, people had console wars about game libraries, but focused on normal budget disk games, even though 360 had more XBLA games vs PSN, and also had 1,000+ XBLIG releases to boot ranging from $1-10. And many of them were actually good. This gen, PS4 gets out of the game with more games and more digital games (I think), so suddenly it's all about the full package of software. X1 releases BC so now 250+ 360 games can now be added to the pile, yet PS fans don't want to include them.

lol

 

[yankeessuck]

Sounds like Microsoft should just cancel all their games since they have too many as it is

 

[pravus]

Sounds like Microsoft should just cancel all their games since they have too many as it is

They should definitely delay Cuphead to 2018.

If only just to ruin the internet again for a week.

 

[Sasquatch Montana]

Funny how temperamant changes. Last gen, people had console wars about game libraries, but focused on normal budget disk games, even though 360 had more XBLA games vs PSN, and also had 1,000+ XBLIG releases to boot ranging from $1-10. And many of them were actually good. This gen, PS4 gets out of the game with more games and more digital games (I think), so suddenly it's all about the full package of software. X1 releases BC so now 250+ 360 games can now be added to the pile, yet PS fans don't want to include them.

lol

You lowballed XBLIG library...it's 3400+

I bet MS was furious to hear that Indie games only started counting after February 2013. Can you imagine having 3400 Announcements, media and release topics on certain popular forums?

Imagine an E3

Phil:...ok, we're delighted to share Indie game 1526, Avatar Farting Contest extreme, it will run in 900p for 5 players. We're also still delighted to share Indie game 1527, Big Bobs Belchathon, 400MSP. Coming who knows when. Xbox scorpio timed exlusive...Indie game 152...how long do we have? f***!

 

[OneBadMutha]

Are we having a pissing contest list wars again? There's an insane amount of stuff to play on both consoles. If you're bored of either PS4 or Xbox Ones offerings, do something else outside of game for awhile.

Backwards compatibility matters and is relevant to Xbox One offerings. Partly because they are tying 360 games to MSs current ecosystem. BC means really good games you might not have played last gen can be played for free due to Games with Gold. They are also super cheap. I just saw a club that schedules Halo Reach multiplayer games. Couldn't do that on Xbox 360 so in fact, these old games are improved in some circumstances.

Also what does counting exclusives really mean? I've played over 600 hours of Halo 5. How many Indies would have to captivate me to equal the same amount of time? Forza Horizon has similar replayabily. I'm not a Gears guy but there's people who'll log in similar amounts of time playing Horde mode.

If Crackdowns multiplayer hits, then that'll be another time sink. Same for Sea of Thieves, Halo Wars 2 and State of Decay 2 due to the multiplayer components. MS hasn't executed like they did first part of last gen but Xbox One owners won't be hurting to find something to do because Scalebound canceled.

 

[hrudey]

Mass Effect and Red Dead are LAST GEN games they don't count in my book..

I guess that means you can't count The Last of Us, or the 4K re-remake they'll sell soon while working on the sequel.

 

[hrudey]

Why is Spencer playing Phantom Dust? Isn't that cancelled?

 

[hrudey]

Currently playing through Blue Dragon for the first time. Did a run through Mass Effect 3 last month. Bought Catherine, Red Dead Redemption DLC to go through next. Probably picking up Rainbow Six games after that... sorely missed genre.

Wife played through Oblivion, Dead Space and Condemned again recently.

Maybe I'm a bit biased?

I bought Catherine recently too when I saw that it was on sale. It was one of those games that I had always sort of had on my radar but never got to. If Eternal Sonata ever hits BC, it will be mine.

 

[The Wolf King]

Why is Spencer playing Phantom Dust? Isn't that cancelled?

The original reboot yes. This is a remake of the xbox title

 

[Mcmasters]

The concern trolling has already begun. Because S.B. has been canceled, suddenly Microsoft has nothing in the pipeline as far as games go. Fuking ridiculous..

Also, this over reaction to SB isn't going to do what many of the fanboys on the other side of spectrum think it will do. In fact, just the opposite. It's going to wind up being the same thing that happened with the announcement of the Scorpio -- Microsoft will come back, smashing, with not only a really powerful product (I'm expecting the 6tf to be closer to 8 or 10) but taking more risks. Unfortunately, the gaming community will continue to judge harshly on any new release on Xbox but it's still worth the effort. Play the long game - - their good at that.

Microsoft aims to please and they've built up a great momentum and good will with gamers. They aren't about to squander that away. I expect some big news come E3 and beyond.

Personally (meaning, this may just be me..) but it's pretty clear that new Ip's are going to be judged harshly on Xbox first time out, but I think they have a few new Ip's they've already released that have established great foundations for sequels - even ongoing franchises. Q.B. S.O. Recore, Ryse etc. I think they should just build on those titles and improve them based on the originals. Still not sure why they haven't figured that out yet, but....

And after the release of Switch coming in at $300, I'm definitely expecting Scorpio to release at $399 now. Especially with the way the gaming community reacted with SB being canceled. No way they're coming out more expensive than the competition and look even more "directionless."

lol. fuking gamers, man.

 

[Nervusbreakdown]

The concern trolling has already begun. Because S.B. has been canceled, suddenly Microsoft has nothing in the pipeline as far as games go. Fuking ridiculous..

Also, this over reaction to SB isn't going to do what many of the fanboys on the other side of spectrum think it will do. In fact, just the opposite. It's going to wind up being the same thing that happened with the announcement of the Scorpio -- Microsoft will come back, smashing, with not only a really powerful product (I'm expecting the 6tf to be closer to 8 or 10) but taking more risks. Unfortunately, the gaming community will continue to judge harshly on any new release on Xbox but it's still worth the effort. Play the long game - - their good at that.

Microsoft aims to please and they've built up a great momentum and good will with gamers. They aren't about to squander that away. I expect some big news come E3 and beyond.

Personally (meaning, this may just be me..) but it's pretty clear that new Ip's are going to be judged harshly on Xbox first time out, but I think they have a few new Ip's they've already released that have established great foundations for sequels - even ongoing franchises. Q.B. S.O. Recore, Ryse etc. I think they should just build on those titles and improve them based on the originals. Still not sure why they haven't figured that out yet, but....

And after the release of Switch coming in at $300, I'm definitely expecting Scorpio to release at $399 now. Especially with the way the gaming community reacted with SB being canceled. No way they're coming out more expensive than the competition and look even more "directionless."

lol. fuking gamers, man.

That is how the internet will always be. Only see things in a negative way to impact to make news.

 

[Mcmasters]

That is how the internet will always be. Only see things in a negative way to impact to make news.

This gen has been super telling when it comes to gamers. I think the over all message Ive perceived is that gamers have no fuking clue what they want until you tell them. They bitch and whine to no end about things they have no experience of. Not to mention they seem more entitled. I'm really glad I just play my games. Gamers this gen put a bad taste in your mouth.

 

[Registered User 1]

Gamers this gen put a bad taste in your mouth.

That's a rookie mistake. I never goto a bar/use a restroom without some mints/gum.

 

[Zcythe]

That's a rookie mistake. I never goto a bar/use a restroom without some mints/gum.

We need a TMI button.

 

[Mcmasters]

We need a TMI button.

No, we need a WTF button.

 

[Zero-O]

I guess that means you can't count The Last of Us, or the 4K re-remake they'll sell soon while working on the sequel.

Correct.

 

[Zero-O]

So was GT: Sport, Dreams, God of War 4, Days Gone, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Gravity Rush 2, Suckerpunchs next game, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Nioh, Persona 5 and Nier 2 and The Last Guardian.

Sony delivered The Last Guardian...



Those new releases would have to have some kind of value assigned to them for credit. A game like Persona 5 (a PS3 port) Y's Origins (A Vita/Windows Port) and Kingdom Hearts 2.8 (a PS2/DS/GBA port) have about as much value each as a BC 360 game does. In many ways less.



Well yeah, but there is a good reason for that.

If you include XBLA games, the 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3.
If you include Kinect games, the 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3
If you include Indie games, 360 has more games and exclusives then PS3 and PS2 and PS1 combined.

I mean, you can't just do something impartial like look at the library as a whole and say the Xbox 360 had way more content. That might be factually correct, but you have realise none of these count ...unless..you include those handful of Indie games on PSN, you include PSVR games, you include games on another system (like Vita, PS3, PC, PS4 Pro) but not on Xbox One!

I mean can you see anyone wanting to play games like this...

...When there's real, new release games like Dreamfall Chapters coming to PS4 semi-exclusively?

1. Exactly my point. You arent guranteed any of theses title are coming this year on either system.

2. Games like Personaa 5 are built on Ps4 and then ported to Ps3 just like Tomb Raider. Kingdom Hearts 2.8 is a complete new game and engine. Not too sure about the Ys but there's more than one Ys scheduled on Ps4.

The same rules apply to Sony aswell but you are ignorant on the subject..

I don't include BC as a new release. period. These games are made and finished on last gen hardware. They require very little effert compared to an actual new game no matter how you spin it.

 

[Dno69]

It's like the "indies don't count as real games" argument from last gen all over again.

 

[Sasquatch Montana]

1. Exactly my point. You arent guranteed any of theses title are coming this year on either system.

2. Games like Personaa 5 are built on Ps4 and then brought to Ps3 like Tomb Raider. Kingdom Hearts 2.8 is a new game lol It uses the Kingdom Hearts 3 engine.

The same rules apply to Sony aswell but you are ignorant on the subject..

I don't include BC as a new release. period. These games are made and finished on last gen hardware. They require very little effert compared to an actual new game no matter how you spin it.

Thus based on history, most of Sony non-port, non remaster lineup do not have even vague 2017 release confirmations and of those that do, there's an good chance half of them will be delayed to 2018. Thus MS doesn't need to announce much this yearat all, happy to compare though closer to September.


2) So? It could start on a high end PC or Vita. If old games on other platforms are making into the PS4 exclusive list wars, that's quite disgenuous.

3) I'm not bothered if you want to count them or not, but at least be consistent, you can't expect to count indies, Vita ports and old games as the be all and end all of lineups and then cry foul when it backfires because MS leveraged the 360 library better than Sony the vitas.

You judge a library based on effort? How does Mass Effect 2 to The Loco Roco collection compare?

 

[The Wolf King]

BC can't be counted as new but they can be added to the xbox library