Sales Comparisons v. 1.1

[JinCA]

From the same dude who said that the only reason it was sold out at amazone, SO bundle that is, was because of a very limited supply, then when it broke the top ten he said it must be a "glitch" in the system. Now that's it"s pretty much sold out everywhere I'm waiting on what the new reason is. Lol. You can't make this stuff up.

Someone needs to learn how to read. It was only sold out on Amazon because of short supply, how else do you sell out when you don't chart any higher than the 60's (or was it 80's?) if you are going to sell out you generally hit the top 10 first. As far as it making the top 10 that was much later, the bundle wasn't available on amazon at all then all of the sudden it was in the top 10 and then gone completely in a day. If you don't think that's strange then good for you, I'm not making crap up to downplay something I'm pointing out something strange.

 

[JinCA]

Of course. Because it's an Xbox game. I am sure there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001 reasons that you can come up with to downplay the sales of an Xbox exclusive.

But the one you chose today was a safe one. Nobody can debate opinions.

What? the game didn't sell well, neither has Driveclub as far as I'm aware. It has nothing to do with what platform it's on it's the fact that it's a sequel to a game that didn't do all that well last gen. Add to that racing games are becoming somewhat niche titles and it'll be that way for PS4, PC, Xbox One and whatever other platform may or may not come out down the line.

 

[Kvally]

What? the game didn't sell well, neither has Driveclub as far as I'm aware. It has nothing to do with what platform it's on it's the fact that it's a sequel to a game that didn't do all that well last gen. Add to that racing games are becoming somewhat niche titles and it'll be that way for PS4, PC, Xbox One and whatever other platform may or may not come out down the line.

I understand that is what you believe.

 

[Entreri804]

Someone needs to learn how to read. It was only sold out on Amazon because of short supply, how else do you sell out when you don't chart any higher than the 60's (or was it 80's?) if you are going to sell out you generally hit the top 10 first. As far as it making the top 10 that was much later, the bundle wasn't available on amazon at all then all of the sudden it was in the top 10 and then gone completely in a day. If you don't think that's strange then good for you, I'm not making crap up to downplay something I'm pointing out something strange.

And I'm pointing out facts. What about the other online retailers it sold out for? I guess you have an insider that knows the actual told manufactured SO bundles ??? Or are you just speculating again?

 

[starseeker]

Well Bayonetta came out on 360 and PS3 to a over 50 million user base, Bayonetta 2 is only on Wii U which only has a 7 million user base.

But PS3/360 have also tonnes more games. Considering the lack of 3rd party titles, & how highly rated Bayonetta 2 score, sales are still disappointing.

 

[illiniguy]

I know that tool, illiniguy hasn't gone digital yet. Damn Illinois folkz.

 

[Andy]

Well Bayonetta came out on 360 and PS3 to a over 50 million user base, Bayonetta 2 is only on Wii U which only has a 7 million user base.

Makes me wonder how smart a decision exclusivity is. Has any exclusive title done well lately? Titanfall maybe? Infamous Second Son? It's hard to know whether exclusivity is a good decision without knowing the details of the financial deals that were made, but it does seem that we have a lot of exclusives that are making only a tiny splash in the pool lately (Driveclub, Forza Horizon, Sunset Overdrive, Bayonetta 2).

p.s. I forgot about SSB, which seems to be doing well. I guess that, in my mind, Nintendo exclusives are in a different category somehow.

And yes, I understand that in some cases, exclusivity is not a decision but a given (e.g., first party games).

 

[JinCA]

And I'm pointing out facts. What about the other online retailers it sold out for? I guess you have an insider that knows the actual told manufactured SO bundles ??? Or are you just speculating again?

You aren't pointing out anything you are just being obnoxious. The fact of the matter is MS says they are limited in supply and aren't likely to replenish them (white consoles) the FACT is that the S/O bundle was sold out at Amazon while not even getting beyond number 64 or whatever it was in the top 100 which would mean that they had limited stock. Do you have to have someone do all of your thinking for you? I have a bias yes I won't deny it unlike a lot of other people but that still doesn't mean I can't think clearly and put two and two together. As far as me saying there may have been a glitch that's the only thing I can think of as to why a bundle was sold out and not even in the top 100 chart for over a week only to have it reappear in the top 10 out of nowhere then vanish again just as quickly, usually when products enter sales charts they work their way up and then back down again not just appear then disappear. If it wasn't a glitch that's fine but there aren't many other explanations for how that happened.

 

[Bgamer90]

No doubt, I'm just saying three or four days isn't a lot of time. Also, I don't believe bundles are counted, and iirc, there was a fairly popular Sunset OD bundle -- so it might've picked up a lot of sales that weren't counted in this NPD ranking.

Sunset Overdrivewas the ninth-highest selling game when sorting on SKU rather than by title so it wasn't a flop. Also, as you said, bundle sales don't count either. Wouldn't be surprised if the game overall did better in November than October when adding in bundle sales.

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Oh wow. The Forza franchise was a sales juggernaut for the 360. FH2 is awesome. I know the Xbox One has sold considerably less worldwide than the PS4 but why aren't Xbox gamers buying these games like they did last gen? Makes no sense.

Forza was never a big selling series. MS keeps on making them though since they are solid games that go up against Gran Turismo.

Forza Horizon is more niche than Motorsport as a series. Overall, racing games outside of Mario Kart are losing popularity.

 

[DriedMangoes]

Sunset Overdrivewas the ninth-highest selling game when sorting on SKU rather than by title so it wasn't a flop. Also, as you said, bundle sales don't count either. Wouldn't be surprised if the game overall did better in November than October when adding in bundle sales.

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Forza was never a big selling series. MS keeps on making them though since they are solid games that go up against Gran Turismo.

Forza Horizon is more niche than Motorsport as a series. Overall, racing games outside of Mario Kart are losing popularity.

Wouldn't it be more logical to add the SO bundle sales into October's NPD instead of November's? If they did really well, I'm not sure how PS4 beat it still unless PS4's just a beast.

 

[Entreri804]

You aren't pointing out anything you are just being obnoxious. The fact of the matter is MS says they are limited in supply and aren't likely to replenish them (white consoles) the FACT is that the S/O bundle was sold out at Amazon while not even getting beyond number 64 or whatever it was in the top 100 which would mean that they had limited stock. Do you have to have someone do all of your thinking for you? I have a bias yes I won't deny it unlike a lot of other people but that still doesn't mean I can't think clearly and put two and two together. As far as me saying there may have been a glitch that's the only thing I can think of as to why a bundle was sold out and not even in the top 100 chart for over a week only to have it reappear in the top 10 out of nowhere then vanish again just as quickly, usually when products enter sales charts they work their way up and then back down again not just appear then disappear. If it wasn't a glitch that's fine but there aren't many other explanations for how that happened.

you strike me as someone who has a very low self-esteem level in life that has to parade a piece of plastic and gets insecure when a competitor's product gets some kind of positive news or moves into a positive direction and gets extremely offensive and angry and uses a keyboard to try to insult someone, because that's the only way you'd ever get by doing that, when someone calls you out on your "opinions ". I mean do you sleep with your ps4 at night ?

Bottom line is the SO bundle sold extremely well. Dont know why your in such denial about it or why It would even bother you if you don't plan on purchasinonene to begin with. it's extremely important that both companies do well and I wish the best for Microsoft and Sony because the success of one will bring out the best in the other and that equals a win win for gamers on both platforms.

 

[JinCA]

you strike me as someone who has a very low self-esteem level in life that has to parade a piece of plastic and gets insecure when a competitor's product gets some kind of positive news or moves into a positive direction and gets extremely offensive and angry and uses a keyboard to try to insult someone, because that's the only way you'd ever get by doing that, when someone calls you out on your "opinions ". I mean do you sleep with your ps4 at night ?

Bottom line is the SO bundle sold extremely well. Dont know why your in such denial about it or why It would even bother you if you don't plan on purchasinonene to begin with. it's extremely important that both companies do well and I wish the best for Microsoft and Sony because the success of one will bring out the best in the other and that equals a win win for gamers on both platforms.

You strike me as someone who doesn't understand the difference between thinking logically and being a fanboy. I already explained to you why the S/O bundle was in short supply, MS has even said that themselves. You were the one in the previous post acting like I was just making this crap up or something when I'm just stating what is actually true. I couldn't care less which console you like better, I hope you enjoy your Xbox One but don't go out and pretend other people are acting strange when they are pointing out facts that don't got along with your chosen point of view.

 

[JinCA]

Wouldn't it be more logical to add the SO bundle sales into October's NPD instead of November's? If they did really well, I'm not sure how PS4 beat it still unless PS4's just a beast.

All of those bundles that were pre ordered and purchased through the tracking period would have counted as October sales so how well it actually sold remains to be seen. The game didn't even seem to chart very highly beyond launch day on online retailers either so I don't really think demand was that high for it. I could be wrong, I don't have sales numbers sitting in front of me but it fell very quickly on Amazon and it wasn't even in the top 20 for very long.

 

[Andy]

Tentative estimates based on hints dropped by a leaker:

PS4: 280 to 300K
X1: 170 to 175K

 

[Jay Mammoth]

Makes me wonder how smart a decision exclusivity is. Has any exclusive title done well lately? Titanfall maybe? Infamous Second Son? It's hard to know whether exclusivity is a good decision without knowing the details of the financial deals that were made, but it does seem that we have a lot of exclusives that are making only a tiny splash in the pool lately (Driveclub, Forza Horizon, Sunset Overdrive, Bayonetta 2).

p.s. I forgot about SSB, which seems to be doing well. I guess that, in my mind, Nintendo exclusives are in a different category somehow.

And yes, I understand that in some cases, exclusivity is not a decision but a given (e.g., first party games).

I'm sure Platinum would have wanted to release the game on all platforms but Nintendo financed the game so that's why its exclusive.

Yeah SSB is a beast I'm sure it will give the Wii U another temporary bump in sales like Mario Kart did, can't wait to play it.

 

[DriedMangoes]

Tentative estimates based on hints dropped by a leaker:

PS4: 280 to 300K
X1: 170 to 175K

So SO bundle didn't do that well? Or was it just limited.

 

[consolewarz]

My guess was PS4 250-300k and Xbox 150-200k.

PS4 on Black Friday: GTA V Bundle and LEGO Batman 3 Bundle

PS4's black friday deals are GTA V and TLOU for $399, or Batman 3 and Littlebigplanet 3 for $399.

 

[Andy]

So SO bundle didn't do that well? Or was it just limited.

No one has bundle numbers, as you know, since they don't separate them out from normal sales in NPD data. However, if you just look at the raw number, 170 to 175, it's not very impressive. I doubt it is much higher than September's number. Does anyone have the September number, btw? I don't remember it.

So anyhow, yeah, it doesn't look like SO was a system seller, at least not in October.

 

[This_Hard_Land]

Should MS start panicking?

 

[DriedMangoes]

No one has bundle numbers, as you know, since they don't separate them out from normal sales in NPD data. However, if you just look at the raw number, 170 to 175, it's not very impressive. I doubt it is much higher than September's number. Does anyone have the September number, btw? I don't remember it.

So anyhow, yeah, it doesn't look like SO was a system seller, at least not in October.

Xbox One was 284k in September although there were 5 weeks counted. When did they price drop the Xbox One? Seems like SO didn't have any impact at all.

 

[Ketto]

Should MS start panicking?

Nah. Xbox is selling well just not PS4 well. XBO/MS is fine.

 

[Andy]

Xbox One was 284k in September although there were 5 weeks counted. When did they price drop the Xbox One? Seems like SO didn't have any impact at all.

Right, that's how it looks. If you prorate September sales for 4 weeks, that equals 227K (I'm assuming October was 4 weeks, so I'm trying to make the two months comparable). Unless there was something unusual about September, and I don't think there was, you'd assume October sales would be around that same September level of 227 -- but instead, sales were 50K below that. If SO was a system seller, you'd expect sales to be substantially greater than the month before, but instead they were about 20% less.

Google tells me that the price drop for X1 took effect 11/2. I'm not sure when NPD's version of October ended.

 

[Ketto]

Destiny came out in Sept. I honestly didn't see SO as a system seller and MS didn't market it as one really. Great game though, hopefully it has legs and does a bulk of its sales before price drops on the game. Selling millions means nothing if you did it at $20 a pop.

 

[DriedMangoes]

Right, that's how it looks. If you prorate September sales for 4 weeks, that equals 227K (I'm assuming October was 4 weeks, so I'm trying to make the two months comparable). Unless there was something unusual about September, and I don't think there was, you'd assume October sales would be around that same September level of 227 -- but instead, sales were 50K below that. If SO was a system seller, you'd expect sales to be substantially greater than the month before, but instead they were about 20% less.

Google tells me that the price drop for X1 took effect 11/2. I'm not sure when NPD's version of October ended.

Destiny came out. So... does this look like Destiny was more of a system seller than SO is to anyone else?

 

[Andy]

Was September an unusually good month for X1 sales, then? If I could see the data from the previous four months, plus #'s of weeks used to calculate each, I could come up with a better baseline than September. I'm not compulsive enough to keep track of those numbers myself, though (almost, but not quite).

 

[menace-uk-]

Right, that's how it looks. If you prorate September sales for 4 weeks, that equals 227K (I'm assuming October was 4 weeks, so I'm trying to make the two months comparable). Unless there was something unusual about September, and I don't think there was, you'd assume October sales would be around that same September level of 227 -- but instead, sales were 50K below that. If SO was a system seller, you'd expect sales to be substantially greater than the month before, but instead they were about 20% less.

Google tells me that the price drop for X1 took effect 11/2. I'm not sure when NPD's version of October ended.

They do not count bundles though, right ? and SO was a bundle.

 

[Andy]

They do not count bundles though, right ? and SO was a bundle.

My understanding (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is that NPD does not separate out bundle sales from normal sales. Bundle sales are counted as normal sales. You can't tell from the data how many sales were bundle sales, but all bundle sales get counted as sales.

 

[menace-uk-]

My understanding (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is that NPD does not separate out bundle sales from normal sales. Bundle sales are counted as normal sales. You can't tell from the data how many sales were bundle sales, but all bundle sales get counted as sales.

Hmmmm. I was under the impression that they did not count bundles at all.

 

[menace-uk-]

Hmmmm. I was under the impression that they did not count bundles at all.

Actually, scratch that. Seems I got confused, my bad. The Hardware is counted, but software is not. In my defence it is 5:30 in the am

 

[Andy]

Hmmmm. I was under the impression that they did not count bundles at all.

They don't count the game sales in bundles (individual copies of SO, for instance), but I believe they count the console sales. It would be very strange if they didn't. However, I'm not 100% confident, and I'd be interested to hear confirmation from someone more NPD-savvy than me about this.

p.s. Just saw your post above. Yeah, I think that's the way it works.