Sony and MS working on PS4.5 and XboxOne.5?

de3d1 said:
I was reading a thread were a developer was explaining how much more work these new consoles add to their pipeline. Basically its ridiculous how much extra time is needed, and they will need to hire a crazy amount of staff to do it.

The funny part is Gafers were explaining to him how they should approach their development differently to get more work done.

These are non game developers, gamers, who apparently know every god damn thing in the world.

Listen folks, just because you play games, even if you've played them you're whole life, if you're not a developer, don't pretend to be one. Its not the same thing shockingly.
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Sad thing is you don't need to be developer to know that more hardware platforms = more work. It is common freakin sense....but as always, the internet buries its head in sand and screams LA! LA! LA!.

More work + same time frames = worse games. End of.
 
It comes down to optimization for one thing. Can you port a PS4 game to a PS4.5 system pretty easily? Sure. However assuming you want it to run better and take advantage of the hardware, that takes some work.

You'd think games would scale up easily, but they don't. Just look at all the poor ports PC gets.
 
Take this with a grain of salt, but I've been thinking... I think Microsoft is definitely not releasing a new Xbox this year. Here's the reason:

  • Microsoft delayed the "Redstone 2" update for Windows 10, the one after the Anniversary Update which is slated in July, to next year.
  • Reportedly this was to coincide the build launch with hardware launches. Surface Pro 4 and Book, as good as they are, suffered from driver problems. Windows and Devices Group wants to stop this by synchronizing software launch and hardware launch. This much has been documented on Microsoft sources including Windows Central, WinBeta, and Petri(Brad Sams).
  • This means not only no new build is coming out, but no hardware is coming out as well. No rumored "Surface Phone." No Surface Pro 5 or Book 2. No Lumia or no nothing. Everything hardware is "early next year."
  • Xbox is very much part of Windows and Devices Group right now. They operate with Panos Panay's Surface team and Terry Myerson's Windows team in a way they haven't been before.
  • Most importantly, Xbox runs Windows 10 right now, just like every other major Microsoft device now.
  • Whatever this Xbox One-and-a-half is, it's a big release if it happens. "More powah! More pixel!" is clearly not a good marketing push, especially when Microsoft decided to keep VR on PC. Things like this will always coincide with a huge software update.
  • But then again, Redstone 2 is not coming out this year. It's early next year, or April 2017 according to most recent rumors. And no other fork is coming out just for Xbox. Xbox is stuck at Anniversary Update (July 2016) until early next year.
Conclusion: No major software update for Xbox by the end of the year, no hardware release by the end of the year.
 
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So it looks like Sony may go first with PS4 Neo holiday 2016, followed by Nintendo NX March 2017
team56th said:
Take this with a grain of salt, but I've been thinking... I think Microsoft is definitely not releasing a new Xbox this year. Here's the reason:

  • Microsoft delayed the "Redstone 2" update for Windows 10, the one after the Anniversary Update which is slated in July, to next year.
  • Reportedly this was to coincide the build launch with hardware launches. Surface Pro 4 and Book, as good as they are, suffered from driver problems. Windows and Devices Group wants to stop this by synchronizing software launch and hardware launch. This much has been documented on Microsoft sources including Windows Central, WinBeta, and Petri(Brad Sams).
  • This means not only the new build is coming out, but no hardware is coming out as well. No rumored "Surface Phone." No Surface Pro 5 or Book 2. No Lumia or no nothing. Everything hardware is "early next year."
  • Xbox is very much part of Windows and Devices Group right now. They operate with Panos Panay's Surface team and Terry Myerson's Windows team in a way they haven't been before.
  • Most importantly, Xbox runs Windows 10 right now, just like every other major Microsoft devices now.
  • Whatever this Xbox One-and-a-half is, it's a big release if it happens. "More powah! More pixel!" is clearly not a good marketing push, especially when Microsoft decided to keep VR on PC. Things like this will always coincide with a huge software update.
  • But then again, Redstone 2 is not coming out this year. It's April 2017. And no other fork is coming out just for Xbox. Xbox is stuck at Anniversary Update (July 2016) until early next year.
Conclusion: No major software update for Xbox by the end of the year, no hardware release by the end of the year.
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Agree, MS have said there are multiple major devices launched next year. I think we will see a revised Xbox One this year, perhaps a slim with no BD and targeted as an streaming\gaming device. There may be a new Xbox 2.0 next year and the rumour is that the Xbox 2.0 is going to be a beast.
 
From the Xbox Slim rumour thread...

http://www.weibo.com/3139784387/DsVRfDnuE?type=repost#_rnd1461776746141

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'Xbox One 二代" means "Xbox one generation two' according to NeoGaf.

New Project
AP5 XBOX One 2nd Gen Project

Project Start Time 2014 March
Client : Microsoft
Product : XBox One 2nd Gen
Machine : Kingston
Estimated Shipment : Maximum 400K / week
Plastic Product Unit weight : 600 ~ 800g
Current Status : AP(V) work with client co-develop and certify Sabic & Chill raw material

EVT D : Now
Hard Tool Development : Oct -- delay
MP ( Mass Production ) : Feb
 
TheGeneral said:
So it looks like Sony may go first with PS4 Neo holiday 2016, followed by Nintendo NX March 2017


Agree, MS have said there are multiple major devices launched next year. I think we will see a revised Xbox One this year, perhaps a slim with no BD and targeted as an streaming\gaming device. There may be a new Xbox 2.0 next year and the rumour is that the Xbox 2.0 is going to be a beast.
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There is no way the PS4 Neo comes in 2016. I would expect it come months after the NX at the earliest.
 
TheGeneral said:
Isn't the rumour that the Neo launches in October?
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Maybe next-year. I really do not see how it can really launch this year. They have only just started to send out developer kits.

Considering this is Sony and they are not great at business decisions, I wouldn't be shocked if they release this right around the PSVR launch....cause people will get a second job to buy Playstation Neo and PSVR.
 
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yankeessuck said:
Then why did the 360 and PS3 end up virtually tied while getting outsold by the Wii? Why is the Playstation 2 the best selling system ever? You can even look at handhelds too. Is there any evidence that power is the top factor for sales?
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Because when Digital Foundry would discover that a game had eleventeen fewer pixels on one of the machines, people who read Digital Foundry knew that. Now, it goes there to the Twitter echo chamber to Y'alltube's sound machine and Twitch's bitchmic and it consumes all.
 
Dno69 said:
I can't really even get excited for E3 anymore.

I know both manufacturers will show footage of games that were announced 2 or 3 years ago. And they'll have new announcements for games that are 2 or 3 years off still.

Of course they will have a few surprises.

I'll be interested to see if Nintendo reveals anything.
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Hush your mouth! I can't wait to find out what 20 year old games Sony is going to steal the show by reviving!
 
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