Sony doesn't fully understand their sales success

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I'm guessing it's a combination of great price point, good emphasis on "gaming hardware" and "for the players", no forced camera inclusion in bundle, no DRM, PS3's success in sustaining great first and third party exclusives throughout its life and finally the arrogance of MS in the Xbox One's reveal.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...itas-no-show-and-the-mystery-of-10m-ps4-sales

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/sony-doesnt-understand-why-so-many-people-are-buying-ps4/

You also announced PS4 had sold 10m units.

Shuhei Yoshida: Yep. Sell through.

That's a very impressive number just nine months into the console's life. Last November we were all hoping the new consoles would sell well, but this is beyond most people's predictions. It suggests something different is going on this time than we've seen in the past. What do you think is the reason for it doing so well so quickly?

Shuhei Yoshida: The 10m sell through in the first nine months is well beyond what we had hoped for. As you know, we have struggled to keep up with demand of PS4 for so many months. It was hard to find and purchase PS4. Now we are able to supply units so in every territory I believe you can find PS4. So we just managed to catch up with demand.

It's just beyond our imagination. We are so happy. But I for one am a bit nervous because we do not completely understand what's happening. You need to understand why your products are selling well so you can plan for the future, right? It defied the conventional thinking. Lots of people thought the dedicated game hardware might not be needed going forward, but still lots of people are very excited. When you see the new games coming out and being announced this E3 and Gamescom, I think there's a good enough reason for a gamer to believe this is something worth investing in.

I agree, but I don't think that explains the speed of sales.

Shuhei Yoshida: Yeah. Actually I'm asking journalists who ask that question their opinion.

I don't know. I was hoping you would know.

Shuhei Yoshida: I'm asking marketing people to tell us why. They've been to people who already purchased, and some of the early data was amazing in terms of the number of people who didn't used to own PS3 have already purchased PS4. So we are getting lots of new customers coming into PlayStation. And some people never purchased any last-gen hardware: PS3, or Xbox 360 or Nintendo Wii. So where did they come from?

Why buy now then?

Shuhei Yoshida: Well, yeah. I don't know. As soon as we see a great sales number, our instinct tells us we should be concerned about future sales, right? Are we exhausting all the core gamers? If we sell this number of units, there are no more consumers we can sell to. That's a really terrifying prospect. So we want to understand who are these consumers who we do not necessarily consider core gamers, who are purchasing PS4 and why they are doing it and what they are doing with PS4, so we can create a bit more of a positive future, rather than saying, wow, we have sold to every single core gamer. So that's what we are doing.

At the same time there are many things we are working on to add new features to the firmware and our network services and game catalogues, so we hope we can continue this momentum and reach a wider audience than we were able to do on PS3.
 
Yeah I read this earlier. It's pretty humorous.
 
Yoshida strikes me as pretty honest and humble dude.

It's interesting that a number of their new customers skipped the last generation console all together. Maybe visual fidelity has finally reached a point that appeals to a larger number of people?
 
Yoshida strikes me as pretty honest and humble dude.

It's interesting that a number of their new customers skipped the last generation console all together. Maybe visual fidelity has finally reached a point that appeals to a larger number of people?

Yeah he comes across as pretty down to earth, he almost always responds on twitter too.
 
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This is the year of the UNIX Console :cool:

PS4 runs on OrbisOS which derived from FreeBSD (UNIX). I've been curious to see UNIX and OpenSource projects compete with Microsoft/Windows in the market like this.

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Brand recognition and price.

Yep and how long the previous gen lasted.

Its simple, is it not ? their biggest competition fooked up.

Things would probably still be similar in terms of the overall (worldwide) sales gap even if the Xbox One didn't have a bad pre launch period. More expensive console, releasing at pretty much the exact same time as the Playstation 4 which is part of a gaming brand that's far more popular worldwide.
 
Yep and how long the previous gen lasted.



Things would probably still be similar in terms of the overall (worldwide) sales gap even if the Xbox One didn't have a bad pre launch period. More expensive console, releasing at pretty much the exact same time as the Playstation 4 which is part of a gaming brand that's far more popular worldwide.


More expensive would be part of the fook up ;)
To be honest I was not being entirely serious. While I am sure that the MS mistakes have contributed to Sony's cause, the PS4 would still be doing extremely well.
 
After all the nonsense I think it comes strictly down to price. That's the ultimate determining factor. The two week head start didn't hurt either. If both consoles launched at the same price it would have been different. It doesn't matter, PlayStation 4 is off to an amazing start.
 
After all the nonsense I think it comes strictly down to price. That's the ultimate determining factor. The two week head start didn't hurt either. If both consoles launched at the same price it would have been different. It doesn't matter, PlayStation 4 is off to an amazing start.
No it wouldn't the PS4 would still be ahead.
 
Seems obvious, they didnt have a debacle of a debut with dumb policies like MS, oh and they have a more powerful machine that was cheaper.
 
It is down to 3 variables really. Two of them the most important:

1. Price. (Cheaper console)

2. Exclusive games. (More exclusive games)

3. Unique console specific features. (sharing features, etc)

that is all folks.

If anybody wants to argue 'power' as a factor I point you to the Xbox vs PS2. Or 360 & PS3 combined vs Wii.
 
It is down to 3 variables really. Two of them the most important:

1. Price. (Cheaper console)

2. Exclusive games. (More exclusive games)

3. Unique console specific features. (sharing features, etc)

that is all folks.

If anybody wants to argue 'power' as a factor I point you to the Xbox vs PS2. Or 360 & PS3 combined vs Wii.

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Well I know multiple people who went from 360 owners to ps4 owners due to the power and price difference.
 
It is down to 3 variables really. Two of them the most important:

1. Price. (Cheaper console)

2. Exclusive games. (More exclusive games)

3. Unique console specific features. (sharing features, etc)

that is all folks.

If anybody wants to argue 'power' as a factor I point you to the Xbox vs PS2. Or 360 & PS3 combined vs Wii.
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It is down to 3 variables really. Two of them the most important:

1. Price. (Cheaper console)

2. Exclusive games. (More exclusive games)

3. Unique console specific features. (sharing features, etc)

that is all folks.

If anybody wants to argue 'power' as a factor I point you to the Xbox vs PS2. Or 360 & PS3 combined vs Wii.

Honestly, I do not think it is as easy as all that. I think in todays world you have to look to social media/word of mouth. The days of walking into a store and basing a purchase of what you see( price, games) are pretty much dead. Nowadays it seems more driven by what your friends think, what the masses think is "The Cool" product. Not to mention that things like negative press travel further and farther than ever before.

I mean think about it, the PS4 actually has fewer AAA games out and coming this year. The price points are the same now. Going by what you just listed the xbox one should be destroying the PS4 this holiday, but I bet you anything it is the opposite.
 

LOL.
Okay Val.

Well I know multiple people who went from 360 owners to ps4 owners due to the power and price difference.

You know =/= why most did.
I have history to back up my facts, and HISTORICALLY the most powerful console has never been the reason for more sales. It is all down to games and price.
I think @DriedMangoes summed it up nicely in the OP.

Sony presented their console as the more gamer oriented of the two and benefited from it. If anything power was a distant factor in the overall scheme.
 
I am just saying that it is indeed a factor for some people, one of many factors. Menace is right about the social stuff as well.
 
Honestly, I do not think it is as easy as all that. I think in todays world you have to look to social media/word of mouth. The days of walking into a store and basing a purchase of what you see( price, games) are pretty much dead. Nowadays it seems more driven by what your friends think, what the masses think is "The Cool" product. Not to mention that things like negative press travel further and farther than ever before.

I mean think about it, the PS4 actually has fewer AAA games out and coming this year. The price points are the same now. Going by what you just listed the xbox one should be destroying the PS4 this holiday, but I bet you anything it is the opposite.

You are forgetting the power of Brand.
It doesn't matter if the PS4 has games now or not.

Most people know that the exclusive games are coming. You don't buy a launch console because of day 1 exclusives. You invest in a console because of what you know is further down the road. PS4 just has more exclusives people know about and can anticipate.
I will agree though that word of mouth plays an important role.
 
You are forgetting the power of Brand.
It doesn't matter if the PS4 has games now or not.

Most people know that the exclusive games are coming. You don't buy a launch console because of day 1 exclusives. You invest in a console because of what you know is further down the road. PS4 just has more exclusives people know about and can anticipate.
I will agree though that word of mouth plays an important role.

and yet MS and Sony were equal last gen and Wii supreme. Yet Wii U is doing not great, MS is behind Sony by a fairly significant margin. Wii U is cheaper, it has the most recognizeable franchises in gaming history, and is the brand that has been around the longest.

Seems to me that brand power is as fickle as the consumers.