MS deserves the whooping they are getting though. I dont want to see any one game company get complacent, they all need to be knocked off their perch and have to work hard as a result
Sony doesn't fully understand their sales success
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It a combination of factor, but the short answer is a lot of sales that would otherwise expected to goes to X1 goes to PS4 instead.
I am sure the initial analysis from both MS & Sony was a near identical market share, & both will fight neck to neck for a while before there is a clear winner.
Wasn't there report of Sony Executives high five one another when they heard the X1 price point? I would if I was in their shoes
I am sure the initial analysis from both MS & Sony was a near identical market share, & both will fight neck to neck for a while before there is a clear winner.
Wasn't there report of Sony Executives high five one another when they heard the X1 price point? I would if I was in their shoes
I would not say they deserve it. However, it is a consequence caused by their own mistakes.
I would say they do, opinions and all that stuff though. End result is the same if they deserve it or not, they will have to work harder which means better stuff for people who own an Xbox One
Now you are forgetting some things menace. Don't worry I forgive you.
One of the main reasons the 360 pulled ahead was because of the fact that it launched earlier, and the initial price was cheaper than the PS3. This completely negated any 'brand' recognition Sony had at the outset of last gen. By the time the PS3 launched the 360 had better games out on it to compete.
Sony even tried to use the 'power' angle to make the PS3 seem like the better choice for gamers. When the PS3 launched how many articles did we see about how it was '2x' more powerful than the 360?
It is the exact same strategy that was mirrored by Microsoft this gen. Launch at a higher price point, and give your console the appearance of being everything but 'about the games.' It is not that consumers are fickle per se, but that people go to where the games are and where the PRICE is acceptable.
Wii took off last gen because of my number 3 point I mentioned in my original post: Console specific features. It had a crazy motion controller that everybody went crazy about, and again in the grand scheme of things it proved that how powerful a console is does not mean it will win the generation.
The WiiU again we are talking about games. They have recognizable games but not as many games/ 1st party studios that Sony has. It really isn't all that hard to understand. The PS4 was at that sweet spot price for a console, and added to that, that while the WiiU is cheaper most users obviously want the games that the PS4 has to offer more.
Like I said. Power is next to no importance to the majority.
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I agree on the power thing. I also agree that your 3 points are obviously big points. My argument though is that it is not that black & white. Consumers are fickle. Consumers are easily manipulated, and a lot of that manipulation comes from social media...can be friends and family, can be gaming media or world media, can be a random persons blog that just resonates with a large group of people. Can be a celeb talking up their new Playstation purchase.
I am not exactly disagreeing with you... I am simply adding shades of grey to your black & white world
What you think and what it should be(I like and agree with your list)
Isn't reality...
Brand and price are almost neck and neck at the top of what sells.
A few examples would be DC vs PS2..
DC had WAYYY better games,a headstart and a lower price but got demolished by the PS2 which had a horrible 1st year games lineup and higher but safe $299 price.
Same gen the XB had much better features,graphix and arguably exclusives then the PS2 and still lost badly.
What about the Wii vs the 360/PS3... We know the 360 had a head-start,more power,more features,comparable price and better exclusives but it and the much higher priced PS3 got destroyed.
I could even use this gen as another example.
Brand/Price win can't really be argued.
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I've always thought that the #1 reason why the PS2 was successful was that it was a cheap DVD player and that literally what made it sell so many PS2s. I believe it was the most affordable quality DVD player in the market during that time. Lots of consumers were converting from VHS to DVD.
P.S. God I hated VHS. I remembered I had to rewind VHS tape movies or be charged a $1 fee at a local rental store. Please be kind and rewind sticker lol.
I'm going to jump around here a bit between last gen and this gen but i think it's the best way to describe how i feel we got to this point of the PS4 leading the Xbox One in worldwide sales. So just try and stay with me.
Price and timing are the two biggest reasons for any console's success. I don't want to hear about the Dreamcast, that horse is dead. It's the one console that the rules didn't apply. The Wii U would only be a valid point if Nintendo had delivered a truly next gen console and had the third party support. The PS4 came out two weeks earlier, in more countries, at a better price. Brand power played a big role as well. Last gen many people were looking forward to the PS3 more than the 360 because of the success of the PS brand in past generations. All of that changed when Sony dropped the ball. Either the PS3 had to launch the same year as the 360, or it needed to be cheaper. Word of mouth went around that the 360 was an awesome gaming machine and many potential PS3 owners jumped ship and never looked back. The 360 launched first, had better games for years and was cheaper.
Going into this generation it was about split even until the DRM and 24 hour online check in policies were known for the Xbox One. With the success of the 360, Microsoft had market share on their side going into this gen. Much like Sony did going into last gen. Once again, all of that changed. Over the years Sony redeemed themselves with awesome exclusive games while the 360's exclusives were few and far between in the later years. Then you add in the negativity towards Kinect and that's when people started doubting Microsoft. So all that left this generation up to anyone's guess on how it would play out. It was really down to whichever launched first at a better price and that was the PS4. It's as simple as that.
Price and timing are the two biggest reasons for any console's success. I don't want to hear about the Dreamcast, that horse is dead. It's the one console that the rules didn't apply. The Wii U would only be a valid point if Nintendo had delivered a truly next gen console and had the third party support. The PS4 came out two weeks earlier, in more countries, at a better price. Brand power played a big role as well. Last gen many people were looking forward to the PS3 more than the 360 because of the success of the PS brand in past generations. All of that changed when Sony dropped the ball. Either the PS3 had to launch the same year as the 360, or it needed to be cheaper. Word of mouth went around that the 360 was an awesome gaming machine and many potential PS3 owners jumped ship and never looked back. The 360 launched first, had better games for years and was cheaper.
Going into this generation it was about split even until the DRM and 24 hour online check in policies were known for the Xbox One. With the success of the 360, Microsoft had market share on their side going into this gen. Much like Sony did going into last gen. Once again, all of that changed. Over the years Sony redeemed themselves with awesome exclusive games while the 360's exclusives were few and far between in the later years. Then you add in the negativity towards Kinect and that's when people started doubting Microsoft. So all that left this generation up to anyone's guess on how it would play out. It was really down to whichever launched first at a better price and that was the PS4. It's as simple as that.
It originally was all about price.
People are fooling themselves if they think price wasn't (and even still is) a point. I'm willing to bet alot of people around the world don't even know that the XB1 has a SKU that is the same price as the PS4. The right price propelled the PS4 forward along with the goodwill of the gaming world.
Price initially/word of mouth/games.
To be clear, by games I mean future exclusives.
Not with what I originally quoted right?
To re-explain what I pointed is what gets sales(to the majority) not what gets them for me.
Not with what I originally quoted right?
To re-explain what I pointed is what gets sales(to the majority) not what gets them for me.
Okay. Dude I'm tired.
LOL.
Did someone hack into TDbank account? This is highly agreeable coming from TD.
Using that logic, Sega's 32X had arguably better exclusives than the original PlayStation. Judging by both critical response and consumer demand, the XBox did not come close to competing with the PS2 in terms of exclusives. What you originally suggested is just ridiculous.
Nobody can win a opinion argument.
I say saying the opposite is ridiculous as I never liked the PS2.
I say saying the opposite is ridiculous as I never liked the PS2.
PS2 have far far more games that isn't available on OG XBox (wherether one love these games more than the ones only available on XBOX is subjective of course) . I have both, & as much as I loved my OG XBOX, there is no contest at all in terms of shear library of games. And because it has a far bigger library, there are chances there are more games people like on PS2 than say OG xbox.
Many are not even exclusives, just that PS2 was so successful & hold such a big market share that many developers (especially from Japan, which still somewhat late into this multiplatform development thingy) just design their games for PS2 & skipped the others.
A lot of game isn't discursive to WiiU because developers sign some deals with MS or Sony, but because of its poor sales compare to others. Sad but true. If only one like Nintendo first part games, I highly not recommended anyone to get a WiiU (unless of course one is rich or 'true' gamer that need to own all systems).
Many are not even exclusives, just that PS2 was so successful & hold such a big market share that many developers (especially from Japan, which still somewhat late into this multiplatform development thingy) just design their games for PS2 & skipped the others.
A lot of game isn't discursive to WiiU because developers sign some deals with MS or Sony, but because of its poor sales compare to others. Sad but true. If only one like Nintendo first part games, I highly not recommended anyone to get a WiiU (unless of course one is rich or 'true' gamer that need to own all systems).
1st place winner of the gen was over when the PS4 hit 10 million.
We as gamers still got years of quality coming for XBO/PS4 though.
We as gamers still got years of quality coming for XBO/PS4 though.
Give me a couple more years. It's a long wait but it will be worth it.Thats what Im waiting for Vik! When are you gonna announce the winner?
MS's strategy is what caused a lot of the problems for them here. Honestly I was an original Xbox fan and a 360 fan, I has ps1/ps2/ps3 but as soon as the first Xbox launched it was my go to console and brand. What turned me off was how long the last gen was and how little MS seemed to care about new core games the last couple of years. They put too much focus on kinect for my tastes and apparently many others as well.
I was always a guy who owned more than one console per generation but the last few years of the 360 kind of taught me that there is no reason for that anymore. I don't care about Halo or Gears anymore, Fable seems to be pretty much going down the toilet and I couldn't care less about Forza. As a consumer I was basically there for the taking then Sony came out with a good message and as it turns out better hardware and for several months it was also cheaper.
There isn't any one thing that's causing MS's issues right now it's a bunch of things that they mostly caused themselves. They didn't seem to realize that they did well last gen because in the first half of it they were marketing to the right group, they launched earlier and ALWAYS had the cheaper option and when it came to 3rd party games they almost always had the best performance on consoles. None of that is in play this time.
I said a long time ago that I think a lot of MS's plans for the Xbox One were probably finalized right when kinect came out which was a mistake because that first 6 months was all that anyone could really call a success for the peripheral. It sold quite slowly after that initial launch period and software sales for it slowed. I've seen so many people get frustrated with the new kinect, they sit there and repeat the commands 2-3 times when it could have been faster to just use a remote. I know some people really enjoy it and that's fine I am not knocking them for it but it just seems to me to be more of a pain in the ass than some revolutionary new product.
I was always a guy who owned more than one console per generation but the last few years of the 360 kind of taught me that there is no reason for that anymore. I don't care about Halo or Gears anymore, Fable seems to be pretty much going down the toilet and I couldn't care less about Forza. As a consumer I was basically there for the taking then Sony came out with a good message and as it turns out better hardware and for several months it was also cheaper.
There isn't any one thing that's causing MS's issues right now it's a bunch of things that they mostly caused themselves. They didn't seem to realize that they did well last gen because in the first half of it they were marketing to the right group, they launched earlier and ALWAYS had the cheaper option and when it came to 3rd party games they almost always had the best performance on consoles. None of that is in play this time.
I said a long time ago that I think a lot of MS's plans for the Xbox One were probably finalized right when kinect came out which was a mistake because that first 6 months was all that anyone could really call a success for the peripheral. It sold quite slowly after that initial launch period and software sales for it slowed. I've seen so many people get frustrated with the new kinect, they sit there and repeat the commands 2-3 times when it could have been faster to just use a remote. I know some people really enjoy it and that's fine I am not knocking them for it but it just seems to me to be more of a pain in the ass than some revolutionary new product.
That's completely rational JinCa. Microsoft did kind of coast at the tail end of the 360 and Sony put in work to get the gamers good graces back. They also put in work to correct almost all of the mistakes that hurt them last time.
I still like Microsoft's big franchises. And they've introduced some new ones too. Multi console still makes sense for me.
I still like Microsoft's big franchises. And they've introduced some new ones too. Multi console still makes sense for me.
That's cool, I was a big Halo guy for a long time but I just grew tired of it to be honest and after Gears 3 I was just kind of done with that series. I just have a hard time justifying buying two consoles now when over 90% of my purchases will be games that are available on both machines and will likely be better technically on the console I already own. If I liked MS's first party stuff still I'd probably be thinking differently but I'm just worn out on it and the new stuff doesn't really appeal to me. I do hope you and those who buy both machines or even just an X1 enjoy them though.