The End of the World: A Political Thread. A New Hope coming soon!

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This is what happens when they are de-humanised and looked as no longer human but animals or vermin. They loose empathy which sets them out on a dangerous path, straight out of the Nazi playbook.

In Trumpistan, They're brown, therefore they're animals. If they just had the decency to be white racists, they'd be some fine people.
 
And the third iteration of the travel ban that wasn't really a Muslim ban, that's all just locker room talk, just got upheld by the Supreme Court.
 
This is how Trump will get beaten. Kids in cages? Republicans don't care. They really don't. However start hitting the bottom line of their companies? Woah there. He's threatening companies and ultimately their profits.



How is it ok that Trump can attack companies like Amazon and now Harley Davidson?
 
How is it ok that Trump can attack companies like Amazon and now Harley Davidson?

His attitude towards countries and companies is directly related to how well they adhere to what he wants, not what's good for the country. You think it's any surprise he's kissing up to dictators in North Korea, Russia and (to a smaller extent with the ZTE thing in China) while pissing over democratic nations that are our long-time allies? The guy wants to be the Supreme Leader, not the President.
 
A lot of garbage SCOTUS decisions due to stolen seat. If Trump is found to have colluded then every nomination and decision should be thrown in the trash can.
 
How is it ok that Trump can attack companies like Amazon and now Harley Davidson?

He won't be able to. I happened to be visiting a relative yesterday who had Faux News on and the Harley thing was all over their broadcast.

Sadly, these people don't care about morality or their fellow man, but mess with their $$$?? They will notice.

They ignore most of what he does, but his economic policies are buls*** and snake oil.

I've predicted that the Republicans will turn on Trump over stuff like this eventually. They won't do it because it is the right thing to do, they'll do it because he no longer is in line with their own selfish interests.
 
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I'm so disappointed in my fellow Americans for letting all this happen. The republicans who voted for trump, the republicans who couldn't vote for Hillary, the democrats who were Bernie or bust, the democrats who sat out, and the independents who thought trump wouldn't win, are all guilty for allowing this to happen. The saving grace is all of these people can do their part this coming November and again in two years. Every single trump enabler in politics needs to be exterminated. They're 'infesting' my America.
 
So what I have been seeing in response to Harley Davidson leaving falls into a couple of categories. The main one is that this is something that has been in the pipeline for a while and they're just using the tariffs to cover their asses. Interesting because they used this same line of thinking back right after the election when it came to other companies taking advantage of Trump's new presidency, saying they were going to hire more people, raise wages, etc. When that happened it was all instant decisions thanks to Trump. But now that it's a bad thing all of sudden this is something that started before Trump. The other reasoning used is that these are European models so it just makes sense to have them built where they are sold. If it was so smart, why not do that from the beginning?
 
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People just need to go out and vote, especially young people. Anti-Trump twitter accounts have millions of followers. Will they all go vote this fall?

If we can just get people to turn out on higher numbers, Trump and the Republicans who enable him lose. The problem is that voter apathy is almost as big a problem as the deplorables who vote.
 
I don't fault people. I thought both candidates were horrible.

Also, didn't Hillary get the majority but lost in the Electoral College? That's worth keeping in mind.

I fault anyone that voted Trump or voted Independent/didn't vote in a swing state and doesn't realize it was a mistake now. It was bad enough for someone to not being able to see the difference between the two in 2016 but if you still can't I don't have anything good to say about you.

People are going to have get over the mentality of "I didn't get my perfect candidate so I'm taking my ball and going home"
 
Indies being the problem is a bit of a myth. In primaries, we see turnout rates in the 20% range and 50% range for the main election. That's way, way more people than the 3.5% of votes Stein and Johnson got combined.

Now of course in a swing state, indies have to be very careful and mindful not to impact the vote. If I were in Michigan or another swing state I would have sucked it up and voted Hillary.

A lot of those indie votes come from places like NY where we all know our vote is never going to matter.

Now, if something happens like Bernie jumping into the 2020 election as an indie, that's a major problem.

2016 is the perfect example of why I support indie candidates. What happens if one party goes absolutely nuts and the other one puts forward a terrible candidate?
 
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I don't fault people. I thought both candidates were horrible.

Also, didn't Hillary get the majority but lost in the Electoral College? That's worth keeping in mind.
That is true, but we had countless people 'stay home' in swing states because they took the election for granted. I think it was stryder kisnet that 'stay home' and his state was close and trump won that state.
 
Well, I guess it just shows we have a f***ed up election system and we're going to pass them blame for the results on the voters. I don't just meant the peculiarities of the Electoral College, but it just blows my mind that we have no way to handle a Run Off or proper process of elimination.

The domination of just a few parties seems like an obvious consequence of how this is setup.

I mean we actually act like we want to spread Western Values and Democracy in the world and then tell people at home that in our screwy system you really can't vote for the person you like.
 
2016 is the perfect example of why I support indie candidates. What happens if one party goes absolutely nuts and the other one puts forward a terrible candidate?

Is one of the candidates obviously better? Then you vote for that one (in a swing state just like you said) because one of the two is going to win. 2016 is the perfect example of why you don't f*** around.

Honestly that becomes really easy when the third party candidates aren't really that great. And yes I know Gary Johnson would be much better than Trump.
 
I'm so disappointed in my fellow Americans for letting all this happen. The republicans who voted for trump, the republicans who couldn't vote for Hillary, the democrats who were Bernie or bust, the democrats who sat out, and the independents who thought trump wouldn't win, are all guilty for allowing this to happen. The saving grace is all of these people can do their part this coming November and again in two years. Every single trump enabler in politics needs to be exterminated. They're 'infesting' my America.

As a Brit I would like to apologise for Brexit which setup the path for this damn mess. Companies such as Air Bus, BMW are threatening to leave.
 
I've said it before, but I strongly suggest reading the book How Democracies Die. In part it discusses the two party system and how historically it has been a good thing, but only when both sides agree to play nice and that you won't win every time. That said, the last 20-30 years it has started to change and we see, especially on the far-right side, that if you don't agree with their policies you are a threat and should be taken care of.
 
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Well, I guess it just shows we have a f***ed up election system and we're going to pass them blame for the results on the voters. I don't just meant the peculiarities of the Electoral College, but it just blows my mind that we have no way to handle a Run Off or proper process of elimination.

The domination of just a few parties seems like an obvious consequence of how this is setup.

I mean we actually act like we want to spread Western Values and Democracy in the world and then tell people at home that in our screwy system you really can't vote for the person you like.

Our system really is flawed and nobody seems to care.

The first big problem is the primary system. The primary system is what failed us with Trump more than anything. Primary elections have terribly low turnout, so someone like Trump can come in and energize his deplorables and win. Republicans stayed home in the primary or their vote got split to all the other candidates. The voter turnout for primaries was like 28%. Trump got a lot of that but not all of it. Think of really how few people that is. Plus, had one of the main candidates dropped out sooner, one of the more normal ones would have won.

A lot of states only let people in that party vote in primaries (which makes sense) but also artificially lowers the number of people who can vote. I would have voted against Trump in the Republican primary but of course I can't.

People want to blame swing states in the main election, but in reality the system failed when it let a candidate like Trump win the nomination in the first place.

We're already seeing this in the GOP mid term primaries. The Trumper candidate gets enough votes to beat out the non-Trumper because not enough Republicans care enough about this to bother to vote.
 
Our system really is flawed and nobody seems to care.

The first big problem is the primary system. The primary system is what failed us with Trump more than anything. Primary elections have terribly low turnout, so someone like Trump can come in and energize his deplorables and win. Republicans stayed home in the primary or their vote got split to all the other candidates. The voter turnout for primaries was like 28%. Trump got a lot of that but not all of it. Think of really how few people that is. Plus, had one of the main candidates dropped out sooner, one of the more normal ones would have won.

A lot of states only let people in that party vote in primaries (which makes sense) but also artificially lowers the number of people who can vote. I would have voted against Trump in the Republican primary but of course I can't.

People want to blame swing states in the main election, but in reality the system failed when it let a candidate like Trump win the nomination in the first place.

We're already seeing this in the GOP mid term primaries. The Trumper candidate gets enough votes to beat out the non-Trumper because not enough Republicans care enough about this to bother to vote.
And then we can blame the media as well for riding the trump despicable train for ratings.
 
Trump is threatening a company for moving their work overseas...

How much of Trump's inventory/clothing/junk is made in the USA?

He's the president, and his crap is made in China.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but people in glass houses...

Edit: a quick google, and...

Trump shirts were made in China, Bangladesh, Honduras and Vietnam. PolitiFact Virginia found some Trump sport coats made in India. The Clinton campaign pointed to import data from 2007 that showed a Trump men’s shirt shipment marked as made in South Korea.
Some of the Trump suits on Amazon.com show they were imported, Made in USA or both. BuzzFeed ordered a suit that was listed as both “imported” and “Made in USA” — and ended up with a label showing the suits were made in Indonesia.
Users commented on Amazon.com that the suit that BuzzFeed purchased previously was listed as being imported from Mexico or China. This photo shows a Trump suit that carries a “Made in Mexico” label.
 
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And then we can blame the media as well for riding the trump despicable train for ratings.

Exactly. Plus primaries are sort of backwards. People should turn out more for the primaries. More people than not know what party they are going to vote for in the main election, but in the primary you make a much more important choice of which candidate your party nominates.

I bet if you could somehow poll all the Trump voters in the main election about who they would have voted for in the primary, he would have never won.
 
Oh wow, I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Trump furniture collection is almost beautiful.

https://trumphomecollection.com

Almost beautiful. All those art deco peices are stunning (in the right room, obvs) but then they have to add a few touches that takes it from tasteful, past tacky, and all the way to fug.

Like his dining chairs. If you removed the notches, and the decal embalishments, they'd be beautiful deco dining chairs. The dining table is stunning too, and then they throw in some extra bling underneath.

Most of the mirrors are pretty fugly though, but I guess when the mirror itself is super busy, the image looking back is less distracting.
 
I hope someday Television just disappears completely as a format to be replaced by On-Demand streaming content paid for by Subscribers and at least much less reliance on advertising or ratings.

Won't matter. For the most part, people (and especially easily-led people) will still choose to consume their news from a source that tells them "the truth", which is defined as whatever they want to hear and they'll be happy for someone who "tells it like it is."
 
And Judge Ellis in VA also dismissed Manafort's attorneys' motion to dismiss the indictment based on their claim that the appointment of Mueller was invalid. Granted, the judge definitely had a lot of "my grumpy GOP ass don't like this" sprinkled in but in terms of the legality, the request was shot down, picked up, shot a few more times, and then anything nearby that looked like it might be coming back to life was shot for good measure.
 
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Won't matter. For the most part, people (and especially easily-led people) will still choose to consume their news from a source that tells them "the truth", which is defined as whatever they want to hear and they'll be happy for someone who "tells it like it is."

That will always be around, but I think it would be less systemic.

Stuff like that existed well before we ever got TV and Radio to begin with, but I think it was amplified.
 
Regarding the travel ban...

https://www.gq.com/story/mcconnell-stolen-supreme-court-seat-muslim-ban

Justice Sotomayor's dissent:

As Justice Sotomayor notes in her dissent, just a few weeks after finding in its Masterpiece Cakeshop decision that a few stray comments from members of the Colorado Civil Rights Commission constituted clear evidence of bias against the cakeshop owner's sincerely-held religious beliefs, the majority here decides that then-candidate Trump's explicit calls for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" are legally irrelevant.


So what this shows is a lack of consistency on the Conservative Justice's part. Those few stray comments were enough to allow the owner to discriminate, but Trump's public comment on what the true meaning behind the ban is, is irrelevant.
 
Remember how they sandbagged Obama's moderate justice choice because it was "too close" to the election. The Dems need to not allow any more justices if the situation arises.
 
The turn out for the Nov elections has to be better than this. I didn't vote today until 5:30pm for the run off. My wife and I were number 13 and 14 respectively to vote.
 
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