So instead of blaming voters we should blame voters?
People could have voted for Bernie if they wanted.
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So instead of blaming voters we should blame voters?
People could have voted for Bernie if they wanted.
We should have had more options than Bernie. It was no secret that this was "Hillary's turn". I can guarantee you at least one prominent candidate didn't run (just wait for Cuomo 2020) and Biden's lack of interest was questionable. I mean, do you think nobody was interested in running for the entire Democratic party other than 3 people? Many people run in order to just get their message out for other races or future runs.
No, it was Hillary's turn. I won't blame people who would not vote for such a flawed candidate. I couldn't.
Look how many people the GOP ran? Heck, the fact that so many other candidates ran probably helped Trump win more than anything.
Biden was the only real threat and it would be hard to believe that someone very unknown would beat her (Obama was not an unknown) and a bigger field (without Biden) would have helped her just liked it helped Trump.
The mistake they made by not having a bigger field is they didn't get any mainstream attention on candidates for the future.
I think the people that didn't vote for her in the general made a colossal mistake but the subject is a dead horse at this point
I've liked Biden for years but I have to admit I didn't want him to run last time because I didn't want the repubs to keep talking about his "gaffes" or that he was tied to Obama. I was wrong though, he should have run and he should have announced early, he connects to people in a way that Hillary never could.
As far as the next time around, we have a really smart politician here in CA named Gavin Newsom, he'll likely end up being out next Governor in 2018 so maybe running for President in 2020 would be a bit early but I'd love to see him run for President some day. He's not perfect, he had an affair a long time ago but he's far more progressive than HRC was.
As far as the next time around, we have a really smart politician here in CA named Gavin Newsom, he'll likely end up being out next Governor in 2018 so maybe running for President in 2020 would be a bit early but I'd love to see him run for President some day. He's not perfect, he had an affair a long time ago but he's far more progressive than HRC was.
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Exactly. Like I said, it was a very tiny part of the Obama coalition that broke for Stein (and other independents on the ballot).
Michigan- 51,463
Pennsylvania- 51,306
Wisconsin- 35,150
As you can see it wasn't enough to even get the 5% Stein needed that would have allowed campaign funding and a spot on the debate stage in 2020. But the bottomline is that if the above numbers went to the former Sec of State then we have our first woman in the White House instead of this orange ass clown.
It's not so much making Stein a scapegoat but this is also how GW Bush won in 2000 as well. Ralph Nader, another well known Green Party candidate garnered 97,488 votes in Florida. Causing Gore to lose the Presidency by mere hundreds. And once again, those voters were apart of the Bill Clinton base from two previous election cycles. Even without Florida, Nader’s 4% in New Hampshire would have given Gore a 270 to 267 victory in the electoral college.
There's a real reason democrats are feeling burnt after these close elections. 3rd party candidates are killing them.
Dems had my vote for Bernie, but just wasn't quite there for Hillary. I decided to kick my vote to Jill Stein partly based on the matching funds thing. I was also one of the people who voted for Ralph Nader.
Maybe I'm just a stubborn a******.
Maybe I'm just a stubborn a******.
That's why they need to work harder to broaden their appeal and talk to more than just the same core groups, another thing that would help would be getting rid of the electoral college but that's a huge process and probably won't ever happen even though it should.
You have every right to vote for who you want, this two party system sucks! Neither dems or repubs are entitled to our votes, they have to earn them. I'm a lifelong dem but I'm sick of the party kissing corporate asses and worrying more about their donors than people. I voted for Bernie in the primary and was about to vote for Stein in the general, I could have done it easily since I live in CA and there was no danger of Clinton losing here but I just really wanted to add to her vote count thinking she'd win, I wanted her to have a big popular vote win to show the world that the majority of Americans didn't support Trump's BS. Well she did win the popular vote but as found out once again having the most votes doesn't mean much lol.
I really wanted Kasich. He continues to show why I wanted him. He had a good interview on The Daily Show earlier this week. Of all the candidates, I think Kasich had the best chance of uniting the parties. All others, except Jeb, and maybe Rubio to some extent, would divide the parties more.
Man, I'm sad at how I think the country would be, emotionally, if Kasich was the big kahuna.
Man, I'm sad at how I think the country would be, emotionally, if Kasich was the big kahuna.
I really wanted Kasich. He continues to show why I wanted him. He had a good interview on The Daily Show earlier this week. Of all the candidates, I think Kasich had the best chance of uniting the parties. All others, except Jeb, and maybe Rubio to some extent, would divide the parties more.
Man, I'm sad at how I think the country would be, emotionally, if Kasich was the big kahuna.
He's the only Republican that was on those debate stages that I had any respect for so I knew he wouldn't win, same with Huntsman a few years back.
I really wanted Kasich. He continues to show why I wanted him. He had a good interview on The Daily Show earlier this week. Of all the candidates, I think Kasich had the best chance of uniting the parties. All others, except Jeb, and maybe Rubio to some extent, would divide the parties more.
Man, I'm sad at how I think the country would be, emotionally, if Kasich was the big kahuna.
Hmmm, I don't think this generation of voters are going to ever support candidates like him ever again. The truth is as much as the country claims to want cross-party cooperation, they continue to elect and send partisan warriors to Washington. So it's BS when these polls tells us they want the parties to work together.
Look at what's happening on college campuses with supposedly open minded young people, they can't even hear an opposing viewpoint without being offended and trying to make the person they disagree with go away. Just imagine how much worse it's going to get in the future if that kind of behavior isn't turned around.
College campus. Singular. What did the majority of people choose last November in the US? The majority chose to stay home and not vote.
The violence at Berkeley is just political theater for the extremes on each side. Each extreme wing of each party wants you to see how extreme the other side is. They endlessly bait each other into "confrontations" they can edit and put on Youtube.
The entire problem is the 2 party system. There's probably 5-6 ideologies out there, but instead we get to pick between 2. So, in a 2 party system, all you have to do is show that the other side sucks.
Berkley isn't the only one though but it is the one that gets the most publicity, you still have things like "safe spaces" where opposing views aren't welcome, you have a college here in LA that has a group of black students wanting housing where only they are allowed because they don't feel safe with people who aren't black as if they have that option in the real world and it goes on and on.
When it comes to the two party stuff you are 100% right, how often do you see a politician really try to earn our vote vs just giving us reasons not to vote for the other guy? It drives me crazy when I hear someone say "we are set up for a 2 party system" because we shouldn't be, Republicans and Democrats aren't guaranteed a seat at the table but they act as if they are and that we should all cave in on that. People need to start demanding other options or at least politicians that want to serve the people and not just those with the biggest bank accounts.
College kids have always been full of s***. I was full of it when I went to school. Only difference? There were no smartphones to record and upload everything to the internet.
I work at a college campus and I have yet to see one protest, peaceful or otherwise. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Things just get magnified now. A older colleague of mine tells stories of how anti-war protesters threw stuff at him in the 60s. I mean, he works in IT as a programmer (he's retiring obviously).
The whole thing just gets blown out of proportion IMHO.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...stitution-for-first-100-days-chaos-presidency
On the constitutional checks and balances.
“It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”
Ugh. Sadly i think plenty of his sheeple would welcome throwing out the constitution.
On the constitutional checks and balances.
“It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”
Ugh. Sadly i think plenty of his sheeple would welcome throwing out the constitution.
So I guess he thought he was running for King and not President? what a jackass.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/15/trumps-demand-for-carriage-ride-with-queen-roils-british-security/
Pretty much. He wants to ride in the royal carriage.
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President Trump wants to ride in the Queen’s gold-plated royal carriage when he visits London in autumn — an insistence that has thrown British security forces into a tizzy.
The carriage “would not be able to put up much resistance in the face of a rocket propelled grenade or high-powered ammunition,” one security source told the Times of London, noting that tens of thousands of people are expected to protest Trump’s visit.
“Armour-piercing rounds would make a very bad show of things,” the source added.
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President Obama spared his hosts the trouble in 2011, instead speeding to the palace in a bullet and bomb-proof car.
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Yep, if a women had done a fraction of the stuff Trump has they would have be slammed for be too emotional, manipulative, cat fighty and more. Somehow for Trump being petty, thin skinned, abusive, ignorant, misogynistic, and a pathological liar is virtuous machismo.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/30/budget-deal-congress-shutdown-237822
Budget deal reached.
- The deal delivers $15 billion in new defense spending to fight terrorism sought by President Donald Trump, with $2.5 billion of that contingent on Trump presenting a strategy to defeat the Islamic State to Congress, the aides said
Trump presenting a strategy probably looks something akin to this.... well ok you have to imagine an orange skunk ape in lieu of Thor.
- It also distributes $1.5 billion in new border security spending aimed at repairing existing infrastructure and increasing technology, though it does not allocate any new money to a Southern border wall with Mexico despite the president's insistence
- The legislation will permanently extend expiring health insurance benefits to coal miners, a major priority of senators from Appalachia. It includes $2 billion in new spending for the National Institutes of Health, a down payment on former President Barack Obama's cancer moon-shot.
- Democrats were seeking a permanent commitment to funding Obamacare's subsidies for low-income Americans' insurance as well as more money to fill Puerto Rico's Medicaid coffers. Instead the Trump administration is only indefinitely funding the Obamacare subsidies, and Puerto Rico's Medicaid solution mostly relies on redistributing existing accounts.
- NO WALL. hahahahaha.
Budget deal reached.
- The deal delivers $15 billion in new defense spending to fight terrorism sought by President Donald Trump, with $2.5 billion of that contingent on Trump presenting a strategy to defeat the Islamic State to Congress, the aides said
Trump presenting a strategy probably looks something akin to this.... well ok you have to imagine an orange skunk ape in lieu of Thor.
- It also distributes $1.5 billion in new border security spending aimed at repairing existing infrastructure and increasing technology, though it does not allocate any new money to a Southern border wall with Mexico despite the president's insistence
- The legislation will permanently extend expiring health insurance benefits to coal miners, a major priority of senators from Appalachia. It includes $2 billion in new spending for the National Institutes of Health, a down payment on former President Barack Obama's cancer moon-shot.
- Democrats were seeking a permanent commitment to funding Obamacare's subsidies for low-income Americans' insurance as well as more money to fill Puerto Rico's Medicaid coffers. Instead the Trump administration is only indefinitely funding the Obamacare subsidies, and Puerto Rico's Medicaid solution mostly relies on redistributing existing accounts.
- NO WALL. hahahahaha.
Andrew Jackson who owned slaves and died before the Civil War started.
Such a very good brain
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