Ubisoft GDC Presentation of PS4 & X1 GPU & CPU Performance, a tit for tat exploration

[GordoSan]

Well the 'best mind' of the field did not know that having a huge price premium, having kinect & lower spec will affect sales & result in games of lower spec compare to competition, while your 'average' gamers have known these & called for them to act.

'Best mind' MS is now about 1/2 the sales of PS4. So much for 'best mind'.

So who are actually out of touch with reality?

Maybe MS should hire more 'average' people instead.

Anyway, as a senior developer, I can tell you its not just about how 'smart' the people are. Its about what you are given to work with, & also relative to the competition. You can give F1 world champion Vettel a golf 1.2, & he will not beat a another pro (that's isn't as good) driving a Golf GTi. MS hire top people, but Sony didn't hire idiots also.

Argentina did not lose to Germany in world cup final because they are not good, its just that Germany is better. More people bought PS4 over X1 not because X1 was bad, its just that most think Sony PS4 was better.

Its just combination of poor decisions & perhaps some arrogants & misleaded market studies by MS, plus Sony good decisions & effort that is the result of the hardware disparity & massive gulf in sales we have today.

Since when did the hardware designers have ANYTHING to do with marketing? What is your point, even? They designed a console, not a PC. People mock the whole balance thing and that is an absolute joke to do so. Balance is the key to ANY good design, hardware, aechitecture, photography, you name it.

It would seem to me that the dev software was behind, but to say the hardware is ill-designed when we are getting pairity while running the UI is pretty close-minded.

So how exactly were the lead designers out of touch? They care about people on the internet saying GDDR5 is better than special processors and eSRAM? Might they just be thinking more outside the box for a reason? I think it is frankly rediculous to think that they went with a more advanced method cuz well, it's more advanced. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

[GordoSan]

MS influenced PARITY

Riiight. And you have proof of this where? Lets ignore that it is Sony that has the exclusive advertising and pack-in deals for both GTA5 AND Destiny.

I guess logic and reason are out the window now.

 

[DriedMangoes]

Call it what you want. The proof is that the games are looking more on par. Tools have gotten better for devs. The system is even doing so while still running the UI in the background.

The fact is, it isn't a PC. Neither are. Judging CPU/GPU is not the complete system. Tell me what the move engines, audio block, and other custom parts do. Esram... I think it's pretty clear all of these are designed to work as a whole.

Yet, there are other games that are not on par: COD: AW, Mordor, Metro Redux, then there's DA:I and Far Cry 4 in which we are waiting the face - off for. Is the proof not in the pudding for those games or do you just pick and choose?

 

[TeKPhaN]

Riiight. And you have proof of this where? Lets ignore that it is Sony that has the exclusive advertising and pack-in deals for both GTA5 AND Destiny.

I guess logic and reason are out the window now.

I have proof in all of the numerous games that are significantly better on the PS4 plus actual reading when comparing the specs shows a 40+% advantage in favor of the PS4.
This could never be overcome....saying it could is spinning reality,having to many pipe dreams or reaching for the "clouds" pun intended.

 

[GordoSan]

Yet, there are other games that are not on par: COD: AW, Mordor, Metro Redux, then there's DA:I and Far Cry 4 in which we are waiting the face - off for. Is the proof not in the pudding for those games or do you just pick and choose?

CoD AW actually has a better frame rate in single player. The res is slightly less in multi.. I'd say they are on par. The other ones I mentioned are big releases, demanding, and quite relevant.

 

[DriedMangoes]

CoD AW actually has a better frame rate in single player. The res is slightly less in multi.. I'd say they are on par. The other ones I mentioned are big releases, demanding, and quite relevant.

Yes because the X1 version has dynamic upscaling on the fly for the intense areas (it drops 30% # of pixels from native 1080p) . In MP, it's no question the PS4 > X1 because of the native 1080p on the 4 and fixed 1360x1080 on the X1, that's a 30% increase in pixels. They are definitely not on par.

So, Mordor, Metro Redux are not big releases, demanding and relevant? And if FC4 and DA: I show the 900p on X1, and 1080p on PS4, are you going to say they are not relevant either? Cherry picking at its finest, lol.

 

[TeKPhaN]

CoD AW actually has a better frame rate in single player. The res is slightly less in multi.. I'd say they are on par. The other ones I mentioned are big releases, demanding, and quite relevant.

You can't be for real

 

[GordoSan]

I have proof in all of the numerous games that are significantly better on the PS4 plus actual reading when comparing the specs shows a 40+% advantage in favor of the PS4.
This could never be overcome....saying it could is spinning reality,having to many pipe dreams or reaching for the "clouds" pun intended.

Sooo again, tell me what the move engines do in the Xbox one... tell me what the audio block does (hint: not just audio), tell me what all of these things as well as eSRAM do and how they work with the CPU/GPU.

Do tell, because I'm sure you are factoring the consoles as a whole in your analysis, right?

 

[TeKPhaN]

Yes because the X1 version has dynamic upscaling on the fly for the intense areas . In MP, it's no question the PS4 > X1 because of the native 1080p on the 4 and fixed 1360x1080 on the X1. They are definitely not on par.

So, Mordor, Metro Redux are not big releases, demanding and relevant? Cherry picking at its finest, lol.

How about Murder Soul Suspect 1080p/60fps vs 1080p/30fps on Xbox One.

lolz

 

[TeKPhaN]

Sooo again, tell me what the move engines do in the Xbox one... tell me what the audio block does (hint: not just audio), tell me what all of these things as well as eSRAM do and how they work with the CPU/GPU.

Do tell, because I'm sure you are factoring the consoles as a whole in your analysis, right?

I will tell you horsepower wise the Xbox One is closer in power to the Wii U then the PS4.

 

[GordoSan]

Yes because the X1 version has dynamic upscaling on the fly for the intense areas (it drops 30% # of pixels from native 1080p) . In MP, it's no question the PS4 > X1 because of the native 1080p on the 4 and fixed 1360x1080 on the X1, that's a 30% increase in pixels. They are definitely not on par.

So, Mordor, Metro Redux are not big releases, demanding and relevant? And if FC4 and DA: I show the 900p on X1, and 1080p on PS4, are you going to say they are not relevant either? Cherry picking at its finest, lol.

Well, I see your point on COD.

As for the others, I don't know anything about Dragon Age. Mordor I was assuming was old tools.

 

[GordoSan]

I will tell you horsepower wise the Xbox One is closer in power to the Wii U then the PS4.

Lol, really?

 

[DriedMangoes]

How about Murder Soul Suspect 1080p/60fps vs 1080p/30fps on Xbox One.

lolz

Or what about Ground Zeroes 1080p/60 on PS4, 720p/60 on X1, Golf Club 1080p on PS4, 720p on X1, The Evil Within 1080p with black bars on PS4, 900p with black bars on X1, Watch Dogs 900p on PS4, 792p on X1, Shadow Warrior 1080p PS4, 900p X1, PES 2015 1080p on PS4, 720p on X1, PvZ Garden Warfare 1080p PS4, 900p X1, Lords of the Fallen 1080p PS4, 900p X1 and the list goes on. So GordoSan , are all these games not demanding, not big releases and therefore not relevant?

Or do you want to admit you're cherry picking now?

 

[TeKPhaN]

Lol, really?

 

[GordoSan]

Or what about Ground Zeroes 1080p/60 on PS4, 720p/60 on X1, Golf Club 1080p on PS4, 720p on X1, The Evil Within 1080p with black bars on PS4, 900p with black bars on X1, Watch Dogs 900p on PS4, 792p on X1, Shadow Warrior 1080p PS4, 900p X1, PES 2015 1080p on PS4, 720p on X1, PvZ Garden Warfare 1080p PS4, 900p X1, Lords of the Fallen 1080p PS4, 900p X1 and the list goes on. So GordoSan , are all these games not demanding, not big releases and therefore not relevant?

Or do you want to admit you're cherry picking now?

I never aluded that I wasn't picking RECENT, IMPORTANT titles. You know, the ones where they have newer, complete SDKs?

 

[DriedMangoes]

I never aluded that I wasn't picking RECENT, IMPORTANT titles. You know, the ones where they have newer, complete SDKs?

Evil Within (released last month), Metro (released 3 months ago), Golf Club (released 3 months ago), Dragon's Age Inquisition (just released), Lords of the Fallen (released 3 weeks ago), Shadow Warrior (2 months ago), Mordor (2 months ago), PES 2015 (released 1 week ago), PvZ (PS4 version released 3 months ago). I mean, do you really need me to spell it out so clearly for you?

 

[GordoSan]

WiiU is closer, huh? MS paid them off, huh?

I never said Xbox One is more powerful than PS4, just that it is more than the sum of CPU/GPU.

 

[TeKPhaN]

I never aluded that I wasn't picking RECENT, IMPORTANT titles. You know, the ones where they have newer, complete SDKs?

is that you MC?

 

[GordoSan]

Evil Within (released last month), Metro (released 3 months ago), Golf Club (released 3 months ago), Dragon's Age Inquisition (just released), Lords of the Fallen (released 3 weeks ago), Shadow Warrior (2 months ago), Mordor (2 months ago), PES 2015 (released 1 week ago), PvZ (PS4 version released 3 months ago). I mean, do you really need me to spell it out so clearly for you?

But the tools JUST came out. I don't think all these games are using them

 

[GordoSan]

You guys are like goalkeepers of this thread. Good job

 

[DriedMangoes]

But the tools JUST came out. I don't think all these games are using them

But uh, you also used games that just came out as proof that these newer dev tools that apparently just came out is working? I don't get it.

Unless you mean you hope that the newer dev tools will help future games be more at parity? Is that what you're trying to say? Because I don't know what your point is.

 

[TeKPhaN]

WiiU is closer, huh? MS paid them off, huh?

I never said Xbox One is more powerful than PS4, just that it is more than the sum of CPU/GPU.

MS

 

[TeKPhaN]

You guys are like goalkeepers of this thread. Good job

PS4 is much more powerful


sorry

 

[DriedMangoes]

You guys are like goalkeepers of this thread. Good job

No, I just state facts.

 

[GordoSan]

But uh, you also used games that just came out as proof that these newer dev tools that apparently just came out is working? I don't get it.

Unless you mean you hope that the newer dev tools will help future games be more at parity? Is that what you're trying to say? Because I don't know what your point is.

I've already stated that yes, I think it is definitely a trend and yes, only time will tell that.

Look, I never stated that da XOnes is Bettah. I have been saying since the beginning that there is more to it than CPU/GPU

 

[TeKPhaN]

Evil Within (released last month), Metro (released 3 months ago), Golf Club (released 3 months ago), Dragon's Age Inquisition (just released), Lords of the Fallen (released 3 weeks ago), Shadow Warrior (2 months ago), Mordor (2 months ago), PES 2015 (released 1 week ago), PvZ (PS4 version released 3 months ago). I mean, do you really need me to spell it out so clearly for you?

Stop hes gonna run out of spin

 

[TeKPhaN]

in b4 the bg spin

 

[GordoSan]

MS

Sooo childish. I guess you cherry pick make-believe vs real

 

[GordoSan]

Stop hes gonna run out of spin

Actually I run out of care. You guys have fun and don't bother inviting me to the wedding

 

[TeKPhaN]

Sooo childish. I guess you cherry pick make-believe vs real

Lets all pretend a 40+% advantage will disappear!