Xbox One and PS4 will "sell a ton," online hate "needs to go away" Microsoft says

Well said.

But good luck trying to get the Sony camp to relax. It starts from the top, and with Sony execs and devs talking smack, it trickles down to their fans.

Though it can be argued, it's the reverse and Sony management is just catering to the fans and joining in. You didn't see Sony execs being so loud and arrogant during the PS1 and PS2 days.
 
starlight777 said:
larry is right, and
it time for the gaming industry, as a whole, to grow up
I wish sony would throw their two cents in as well
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Sony is the one company out of the gaming industry that talks the most, so the chances of them dying down and coming out to say some calm and industry motivating statements are slim. The only time they typically calm down is when NPD reports come out since Sony systems have been laggards almost every month since PS3 launched. After NPD threads have died off by the next week, they'll be back. It's a cycle. NPD week = quiet. Next 3 weeks = arrogance.

If Nintendo and MS had the same mentality, Nintendo would be rubbing it in MS' and Sony's faces every week from its launch in 2006 to about 2010. But they never did. When their console fails or succeeds, they are always the same. Just be on the down low. MS had the best NPD console sales for about 3 years (360) and software sales wise probably 5 years, yet aside from the usual NPD PR blurb, they relax.

Imagine if Sony's PS3 was nailing it like the PS1 and PS2 days. They'd be on the bullhorn every hour.
 
I agree with Maj. Nelson. I'm sure he knows about internet hate on a very personal level. I felt sorry for him, back during the reveal.
 
Larry is sheltered from the reality of the terrifying situation that was presented by Always-On. No one hates online functionality. People only hate when it is persistently mandated just for the console to start up. But hey, it's not like always-on never completely f***ed over the customer. Right, Electronic Arts?
 
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Meh, last gen was years of PS hate. It's MS's turn.


But yeah, both will sell tons, and both will have awesome games. Empty wallet is confirmed.
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I don't remember people wishing Sony to go bankrupt. People really want MS to fail, not just Xbox, but people just hate the entire company.

The problem with the PS3 is it was a year behind, so all the 360 people heard was how awesome it was going to be.

You have to admit that the MS hate is above and beyond anything Sony sees. There's tons of hatred and just flat out lies

Sony's Playstation Now is "always on" (which even the original X1 was never going to do that) and there's not one ounce of internet rage. Meanwhile, people still bring up policies (incorrectly of course) that they long since scrapped. I know Now isn't 100% of the console, but it seems like a big part for many. No way is it a level playing field.

Plus, like I said, it isn't just PS fanboys, but people who own an X1 still seem to constantly hate on it. It is like they bought one just to complain about it.
 
I think it'll be funny 50 years from now when people (including some of us) will look back and be amazed that there was ever a console that wasn't always online. Probably a lot less than 50 years away.
 
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I think it'll be funny 50 years from now when people (including some of us) will look back and be amazed that there was ever a console that wasn't always online. Probably a lot less than 50 years away.
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I think it will be next generation. Sony is already getting things started with Now. The next gen will be online and all digital.
 
It's only a tiny percentage of gamers who hang out in game forums that are having this "console war". Everyone else in the forums merely sustain collateral damage, and the vast majority of gamers out in the real world are hardly aware of it, if at all. It's the apparent anonymity of texting, under cute gamer tags and avatars that facilitates the conflict and keeps it going. Just as in online gaming, the rules and courtesies of cvil discourse mean nothing to certain people, who realize they won't have to pay any real price for their incivility.
 
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LMAO @ all the people in this thread going on about how bad Sony fans are, most of whom were of the "this is an xbox site, sony fans should leave" group back on TXB.
 
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Not that I disagree, but I won't be congratulating Larry on his incredibly pointless statements. What he's asking for is unrealistic and pretty much the games equivalent of saying"make love, not war". Ain't going to change human nature.
The hate is part and parcel of having enthusiasts who are emotionally invested in your brand.
And you would have a hard time convincing me MS and Sony don't value those fans tremendously for the tireless unpaid service they provide in creating an online buzz and awareness, not to mention being a good chunk of the early adopters and an active missionary army.

Major Nelson = Chris Crocker.
 
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Not that I disagree, but I won't be congratulating Larry on his incredibly pointless statements. What he's asking for is unrealistic and pretty much the games equivalent of saying"make love, not war". Ain't going to change human nature.
The hate is part and parcel of having enthusiasts who are emotionally invested in your brand.
And you would have a hard time convincing me MS and Sony don't value those fans tremendously for the tireless unpaid service they provide in creating an online buzz and awareness, not to mention being a good chunk of the early adopters and an active missionary army.

Major Nelson = Chris Crocker.
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For a "Moderator" that's pretty r******d. It displays an apathetic willingness to simply accept a deplorable situation, and a knee jerk reaction to any suggestion that it should be changed.
 
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For a "Moderator" that's pretty r******d. It displays an apathetic willingness to simply accept a deplorable situation, and a knee jerk reaction to any suggestion that it should be changed.
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Poverty in a world where there is enough to go around is deplorable. Sweatshop labour and exploitation is deplorable. Corruption, destruction of the environment, racism, classism, fascism, sure.

Trolling and console fanboys, not quite.

There is no part of my post that is unsuitable for a moderator to express. Don't catch feelings that don't need to be caught.
 
Li Tan said:
Poverty in a world where there is enough to go around is deplorable. Sweatshop labour and exploitation is deplorable. Corruption, destruction of the environment, racism, classism, fascism, sure.

Trolling and console fanboys, not quite.

There is no part of my post that is unsuitable for a moderator to express. Don't catch feelings that don't need to be caught.
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You post a controversial opinion in a public forum you are suppose to be "moderating", and then complain when it's criticized? If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
 
Controversial?
Complain?
Not taking heat?

Sorry, I can't see any of those things.

I welcome discussion and differing opinions. You were obviously taking this very serious matter very seriously. I was just giving you a pro-tip to save you the heartbreak.
 
Kerosene31 said:
I don't remember people wishing Sony to go bankrupt. People really want MS to fail, not just Xbox, but people just hate the entire company.

The problem with the PS3 is it was a year behind, so all the 360 people heard was how awesome it was going to be.

You have to admit that the MS hate is above and beyond anything Sony sees. There's tons of hatred and just flat out lies

Sony's Playstation Now is "always on" (which even the original X1 was never going to do that) and there's not one ounce of internet rage. Meanwhile, people still bring up policies (incorrectly of course) that they long since scrapped. I know Now isn't 100% of the console, but it seems like a big part for many. No way is it a level playing field.

Plus, like I said, it isn't just PS fanboys, but people who own an X1 still seem to constantly hate on it. It is like they bought one just to complain about it.
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Playstation Now is nothing like what MS was going to originally do with the X1. Now is just another way to play older games and completely optional. Why would there be hate over that? Only thing being said is from Xbros saying it's going to fail. If this was announced from MS it would be the same people turning around saying it's amazing and just another innovation from them.
 
As someone who was vocally disparaging about the always-online aspect of the X1 pre-reversal, I do not have a problem with Playstation Now, nor do I find it hypocritical.
Why? Because I don't really give a s*** about Playstation Now and have no current intention of ever using it (on my non-existant PS4). Whereas I would have some inclination to use my (also non-existant X1).
That's where the always-online issue differs for me.
 
Li Tan said:
The hate is part and parcel of having enthusiasts who are emotionally invested in your brand.
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Is it? Before I was a gamer, I was a member of several other "enthusiast" groups, and none of them displayed the internal hostility and aggression that the gaming community does. When I was in my teens and early 20's, I was big into science fiction fandom -- conventions, fanzines, the whole nine yards. I don't remember Frank Herbert fans hating on Harlan Ellison fans, or a "camp" of Ray Bradbury fans heaping disgust on Arthur C. Clarke's work. People had opinions and preferences, of course, but there wasn't any of what I see today in the gaming community ... not even close. It was sort of one big nerdy family.

I'm not saying that you can't find parallels elsewhere, but I think there is something qualitatively different about the gaming community and the level of aggression, hatred, hostility, antagonism, etc., they show toward their fellow gamers and the companies that make their gaming possible.
 
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Is it? Before I was a gamer, I was a member of several other "enthusiast" groups, and none of them displayed the internal hostility and aggression that the gaming community does. When I was in my teens and early 20's, I was big into science fiction fandom -- conventions, fanzines, the whole nine yards. I don't remember Frank Herbert fans hating on Harlan Ellison fans, or a "camp" of Ray Bradbury fans heaping disgust on Arthur C. Clarke's work. People had opinions and preferences, of course, but there wasn't any of what I see today in the gaming community ... not even close. It was sort of one big nerdy family.

I'm not saying that you can't find parallels elsewhere, but I think there is something qualitatively different about the gaming community and the level of aggression, hatred, hostility, antagonism, etc., they show toward their fellow gamers and the companies that make their gaming possible.
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I would say that Bradbury and Clarke were not in competition with each other. Ford vs. GM die-hards get nasty, as do rival sports team supporters. Also Apple fans vs. Android fans?

Aside from that, it's not that everyone turns into a jerk, but there are always those overly-passionate, slightly stupid jerks who just get carried away. We have plenty of people who prefer Xbox or Playstation, but only a handful are what I would call fanboys, or jerks about it. Forums wouldn't be nearly as busy without them, and if they weren't as desperate to support their company, I think early adoption rates would look a bit different. Not that I can prove it.
 
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. "
Jack Handy
 
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I would say that Bradbury and Clarke were not in competition with each other. Ford vs. GM die-hards get nasty, as do rival sports team supporters. Also Apple fans vs. Android fans?

Aside from that, it's not that everyone turns into a jerk, but there are always those overly-passionate, slightly stupid jerks who just get carried away. We have plenty of people who prefer Xbox or Playstation, but only a handful are what I would call fanboys, or jerks about it. Forums wouldn't be nearly as busy without them, and if they weren't as desperate to support their company, I think early adoption rates would look a bit different. Not that I can prove it.
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You're right about them being a minority -- a vocal minority. They sure can poison the well, though, imo. I'm sure you're right about forum traffic being increased by fanboys, too, although it's arguable whether that's a good thing.

I take your point about Clarke not being in competition with Bradbury, at least not directly. But I could say the same about sf magazines or publishers, which were in direct competition. There were fans of Analog and fans of Fantasy and SF (two magazines), but there wasn't some "war" between them. People had preferences and criticisms, sure, but there wasn't even close to what you see in the gaming community, in terms of hostility, persistent put-downs, constant need to beat the other side, etc. It wasn't even remotely similar. And believe me, that was an enthusiast crowd if there ever was one.

I have a feeling that in the early days, gaming was more like that -- one big nerdy family. Unfortunately, I arrived too late. :)

Anyhow, I think enthusiast communities vary quite widely, in terms of their level of hate. I think gaming is probably near the top, along with soccer fans and some of the groups you mentioned. It may have something to do with the inherently competitive nature of gaming, which typically pits one foe against the other in a fight to the death. As others have said, it also has to do with the distance and anonymity of the internet.
 
If your SF clique was a face to face thing, that's probably most of it right there.
Internet hate is pretty much an endless trough. We can mod it, but wishing it would go away?
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Li Tan said:
If your SF clique was a face to face thing, that's probably most of it right there.
Internet hate is pretty much an endless trough. We can mod it, but wishing it would go away?
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No, it was mostly written correspondence -- fanzines, group and individual correspondences, etc. Everyone used their real names and real addresses, though, so there wasn't anonymity. Also, because things travelled through the US postal service, there would be a two week delay before you heard anything back -- so you would think more carefully about what you said, vs. today where you just type out what comes to mind in the moment, and there it is ... letter/fanzine writing took a lot of the heat and impulsivity out of it -- things were more thoughtful.

As for crying about it, or expecting that it will go away, I hope you don't hear me as doing either of those.

I do like hearing people speak out about it. I agree with them, and it's good to hear someone at least raise an objection to it. I'd feel like I was in bizarro world, if there weren't people objecting to it.

But no, I don't expect the fanboy hate to subside. If anything, things have just gotten worse over the past 10 years.

p.s. I'm not talking about here, btw, just generally. Things have actually gotten a lot better around here lately. It's been very calm, not much to moderate at all, really.
 
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Where was this tweet last gen when the 360 was getting most of the love and beating the crap out of the PS3 in the beginning?
 
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I think it's been much more personal for him, this time around. He's been a primary target. (I know you're implying he's being hypocritical, I just wanted to provide the obvious explanation for "why now").
 
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I think it's been much more personal for him, this time around. He's been a primary target. (I know you're implying he's being hypocritical, I just wanted to provide the obvious explanation for "why now").
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So what you are saying is that when the heat is against him he can't take it?

Then he should give up his position to someone who is not fragile. If you are in a position to voice your opinion to the masses then be ready for the negative heat that comes your way in return. He pretty much brings the heat against himself. Didn't he he say that he couldn't wait for the "truth to come out" as far as which system was more powerful? That to me smells like a challenge to those who were stepping on the X1 because they believed that it was the inferior system.
 
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