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Here's the full Tweet from McCaffrey before he deleted it. I'm not saying that people can't change opinions over time, but this is pretty on point, and is probably just the perfect example of how the media has always treated Xbox.

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Both of those tweets are right though, it is a big get and if MS had done that their fans would be happy, it's also not something that a lot of people really like to see happen anymore. I'm getting a PS5, the game looks good (gameplay looks better than the cut scenes oddly enough) but if it were to come out on Xbox that wouldn't make me enjoy it any less. I get why Sony did it but I also don't applaud this kind of thing either, Sony's first party line up is strong enough that they don't need to buy exclusive 3rd party games. People who really want Final Fantasy are more likely to own a PlayStation anyway so it's not like it's going to hurt Xbox in any real way.
 
Both of those tweets are right though, it is a big get and if MS had done that their fans would be happy, it's also not something that a lot of people really like to see happen anymore. I'm getting a PS5, the game looks good (gameplay looks better than the cut scenes oddly enough) but if it were to come out on Xbox that wouldn't make me enjoy it any less. I get why Sony did it but I also don't applaud this kind of thing either, Sony's first party line up is strong enough that they don't need to buy exclusive 3rd party games. People who really want Final Fantasy are more likely to own a PlayStation anyway so it's not like it's going to hurt Xbox in any real way.
If both comments were from 2 different people, they would both be valid points. However, the fact that both opposing opinions are coming from one person... and also about two different opposing companies; it actually means only one thing...bias. Not just a small dose of it, either.

Both comments are actually pretty tasteless too, if you ask me. I think the old guard of gaming media needs to simply go away.
 
Right. And explain these from earlier this year.?




As opposed to MS saying the opposite while most of their games aren't cross gen.

They are both full of s***. They will say what ever they think will show them in the best light.
 
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If both comments were from 2 different people, they would both be valid points. However, the fact that both opposing opinions are coming from one person... and also about two different opposing companies; it actually means only one thing...bias. Not just a small dose of it, either.

Both comments are actually pretty tasteless too, if you ask me. I think the old guard of gaming media needs to simply go away.
Buying 3rd party exclusives is one thing, but buying exclusivity on an iteration of an established franchise is justt s***ty. I said the samething when Tomb Raider was announced. Don't care who or what platform, it is a s***ty thing to do.
 
If both comments were from 2 different people, they would both be valid points. However, the fact that both opposing opinions are coming from one person... and also about two different opposing companies; it actually means only one thing...bias. Not just a small dose of it, either.

Both comments are actually pretty tasteless too, if you ask me. I think the old guard of gaming media needs to simply go away.

He often shows an xbox bias, makes excuses for them etc but he's covered xbox since the original and I'm sure he has become friendly with some of the people involved.
 
Everyone is biased. I have no issue with people being biased, & voicing their opinion. As long as we can call them out & criticize them.

My issue when people & "journalists" put out opinions as fact, & fact as opinion, or make BS up using "insider" "Anonymous sources". & people who play the victim when called out, lied about " I am being harassed" "I got death threats", or throw out race or gender card, or smear critics as an attempt to silence people on their BS.
 
It's funny, MS was telling everyone "all of our games are going to be cross-gen for 2 years" Sony on the other hand said "we believe in generations and cross-gen can hold things back" honestly I don't think anyone buying a new console wishes for the new games to be cross-gen, they want them built from the ground up for the new machine, that includes higher detail character models and environments etc.

That being said look at what they've done, MS hasn't really announced many first party games actually coming out in the first 2 years, everything other than Halo seems to just be a CGI trailer right now or an "in engine" trailer like that Rare game that isn't really even a game yet. They both should have just been quiet about it, there are always a few cross-gen games at launch (mostly from 3rd party) and as time goes on that stops happening, for some reason they both decided to make big announcements and neither one did them any favors.

I think most people would have understood that if Horizon is coming out within the first year of the PS5 that it'll be cross-gen, it's a big franchise and you don't want to exclude tens of millions of potential customers, that's why those kinds of games should be saved for later but Sony had to go and talk big in a negative way about cross-gen and now they'll have to deal with the questions they are going to get. It doesn't look like Demon's Souls, Ratchet and Clank and god of war are cross gen but still they should have just kept quiet, nobody forced them to say anything.

They've both tried to be too cute with the lead up to this launch and it's stupid, holding out on announcing prices when most of us knew what they were going to be for a couple of months and we all knew November would be the month they launch because it always is etc. I'm just glad it's all out in the open now and we can focus on when the machines come out and what we get to play on them when they do.
Holy damage control.
 
I've called Ryan detrimental to Xbox years ago. McCaffrey could easily be replaced as the Xbox executive editor by someone who is less invested in Playstation and promoting their moves. His impact was in the opportunity and access he gets for coverage. Not in his journalism and content actually covering Xbox.

As opposed to MS saying the opposite while most of their games aren't cross gen.

They are both full of s***. They will say what ever they think will show them in the best light.
Most of their newly big announced games aren't cross-gen..but most of their other games are. Big difference. And the former being cross-gen was suppsoedly a big problem for people on this forum..until they found out those next gen games weren't cross-gen.

Now again it's a problem though.

"They are such filthy liars. Why did they tell us they would support their games cross-gen for a couple of years! Oh, they do have next gen only experiences!? I mean, why wouldn't they give us ONLY TRULY NEXT GEN, though like Playstation? So Xbox is being held back? What? Playstation is going to do what Xbox communicated to us? --- Crickets

Conclusion: Xbox is bad.

Oh, Sony lied about giving us only true next gen games? Well MS is a liar too!!"

What!?
 
Everyone is biased. I have no issue with people being biased, & voicing their opinion. As long as we can call them out & criticize them.

My issue when people & "journalists" put out opinions as fact, & fact as opinion, or make BS up using "insider" "Anonymous sources". & people who play the victim when called out, lied about " I am being harassed" "I got death threats", or throw out race or gender card, or smear critics as an attempt to silence people on their BS.
I ain't biased. I just prefers this is alll.
 
Everyone is biased. I have no issue with people being biased, & voicing their opinion. As long as we can call them out & criticize them.

My issue when people & "journalists" put out opinions as fact, & fact as opinion, or make BS up using "insider" "Anonymous sources". & people who play the victim when called out, lied about " I am being harassed" "I got death threats", or throw out race or gender card, or smear critics as an attempt to silence people on their BS.

Having an Xbox executive editor messaging Pro Sony the way he does is a problem. If he he's that much of a biased hypocrite they should let someone else fill that position.

Xbox could really do without the Kotakus, McCaffreys and Keighleys. They've had a signficant negative impact in their own way. There's nothing wrong with being critical but the coverage that they do all work against Xbox wether it is intentional or not. Maybe Xbox could choose some pro Xbox content creators to give access to Xbox only coverage. I really don't know how they could solve this returning issue.
 
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I've called Ryan detrimental to Xbox years ago. McCaffrey could easily be replaced as the Xbox executive editor by someone who is less invested in Playstation and promoting their moves. His impact was in the opportunity and access he gets for coverage. Not in his journalism and content actually covering Xbox.


Most of their newly big announced games aren't cross-gen..but most of their other games are. Big difference. And the former being cross-gen was suppsoedly a big problem for people on this forum..until they found out those next gen games weren't cross-gen.

Now again it's a problem though.

"They are such filthy liars. Why did they tell us they would support their games cross-gen for a couple of years! Oh, they do have next gen only experiences!? I mean, why wouldn't they give us ONLY TRULY NEXT GEN, though like Playstation? So Xbox is being held back? What? Playstation is going to do what Xbox communicated to us? --- Crickets

Conclusion: Xbox is bad.

Oh, Sony lied about giving us only true next gen games? Well MS is a liar too!!"

What!?
What MGS games are cross gen?
 
They haven't confirmed which from XGS are going to be cross-gen yet, aside from Halo, only that they will.

They also confirmed that their XGS games will be made for Xbox Series X first.
Avowed - XSX and PC.
Fable - XSX and PC.
Everwild - XSX and PC.
SoD 3 - XSX and PC.
Hellblade 2 - cross gen
Halo - cross gen.
Forza 8 - XSX and PC.

Hellblade states it is made for XSX but also says playable on X1.
 
If both comments were from 2 different people, they would both be valid points. However, the fact that both opposing opinions are coming from one person... and also about two different opposing companies; it actually means only one thing...bias. Not just a small dose of it, either.

Both comments are actually pretty tasteless too, if you ask me. I think the old guard of gaming media needs to simply go away.

It's telling that he deleted the tweet. Even HE knows what he said is double standard stupid.
 
Bias is one thing, but what you see in gaming journalism is flat out fanboyism and hate.

Now, this is video games we're talking here, we don't need perfectly fair and balanced. Everyone has their favorites and wants to inject some opinion.

What we see goes way beyond that - when two companies do the exact same thing and get treated 100% differently.

I wish people would just say it right out - they hate Microsoft as a company and wish they were gone from gaming. There's people who have hated them for "daring" to enter the space way back in the day and they never got over it.

It is worth repeating that competition means everyone wins. If one side were to go away, console gaming would be dead. Sony pushes MS to be better, and MS pushes Sony to be better. The winner in the console war is every gamer who benefits from having more choice and better products.
 
Avowed - XSX and PC.
Fable - XSX and PC.
Everwild - XSX and PC.
SoD 3 - XSX and PC.
Hellblade 2 - cross gen
Halo - cross gen.
Forza 8 - XSX and PC.

Hellblade states it is made for XSX but also says playable on X1.
Flight Simulator 2020 Cross Gen and PC
As Dusk Falls Cross Gen and PC
Bright Memory Infinite Cross Gen and PC
Call of the Sea Cross Gen and PC
Second Extinction Reclaim Earth Cross Gen and PC
Tell Me Why Cross Gen and PC
The Ascent Cross Gen and PC
The Gunk Cross Gen and PC

Not all MGS games of course, but all were announced at the MS shows.
 
It just means Sony's PR was just PR and nothing more. Sony is doing what they always do.
But they let fanboys run with misinformation.
Yeah it was silly of them to emphasize that if they were going to be doing cross-gen games, yeah many of the games they've announced aren't cross-gen and I know a lot of people figured Miles Morales would be but still they should have just kept quiet about that. I don't think people would have paid much attention if it was only Miles Morales and Sackboy but Horizon being cross-gen is the one that got a few people raising an eyebrow.

People used Halo Infinite as some kind of proof of their theory, when the fact is that 343i just kind of sucks.

Cyber punk 2077, Witcher 3 and other games proved that cross gen development doesn't have to hold games back.
 
Flight Simulator 2020 Cross Gen and PC
As Dusk Falls Cross Gen and PC
Bright Memory Infinite Cross Gen and PC
Call of the Sea Cross Gen and PC
Second Extinction Reclaim Earth Cross Gen and PC
Tell Me Why Cross Gen and PC
The Ascent Cross Gen and PC
The Gunk Cross Gen and PC

Not all MGS games of course, but all were announced at the MS shows.
So irrelevant to the discussion. Got it.
 
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PC gaming has been doing this for decades, it isn't really a big deal to have different graphics options. Jackfrags has a video of BF5 on his brand new 3090 and it looks amazing. That game also runs fine on older hardware.
 
But they let fanboys run with misinformation.

People used Halo Infinite as some kind of proof of their theory, when the fact is that 343i just kind of sucks.

Cyber punk 2077, Witcher 3 and other games proved that cross gen development doesn't have to hold games back.
How did they? Cyberpunk was made for this gen and will get upgrades. Witcher 3 wasn't on the 360/ Ps3.
 
How did they? Cyberpunk was made for this gen and will get upgrades. Witcher 3 wasn't on the 360/ Ps3.

Both are current gen games that will look amazing. Witcher 3 is getting a next gen update. I doubt that they rewrite the game from scratch.

My whole point is that people used the Halo debacle as ammo in their fun little war.
 
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How did they? Cyberpunk was made for this gen and will get upgrades. Witcher 3 wasn't on the 360/ Ps3.
We are told you can't get upgrades if the game is being held back. Just like Flight Simulator was held back for PC because of Xbox One. Have you seen how s***ty Flight Simulator looks? Have you seen how s***ty Cyberpunk looks?
 
when the fact is that 343i just kind of sucks.
Maybe when it came to MCC (which they were not largely responsible for porting). Halo 4 and Halo 5 are great. And Halo Infinite, outside of some fanboys not liking the textures and pop in shown, looked damn fun.
 
So it shredded what you were trying to convey. Got it x 2.
Talking about MGS games and you list a bunch of non MGS games. You didn't shred jack. You just ignored what is said and went into spin mode.
 
We are told you can't get upgrades if the game is being held back. Just like Flight Simulator was held back for PC because of Xbox One. Have you seen how s***ty Flight Simulator looks? Have you seen how s***ty Cyberpunk looks?
Didn't even answer the question.
 
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Welp. I've gotta say that I went from being very enthusiastic and going to buy both consoles at launch to buying neither of them. The games that are coming out in the near future for both systems are all available on platforms I already own.
 
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Talking about MGS games and you list a bunch of non MGS games. You didn't shred jack. You just ignored what is said and went into spin mode.

Tell Me Why
Flight Simulator
As Dusk Falls

Are MGS games, were in my list and I stated that not all the games in my list were not all MGS games, but MS announced them and they are cross gen including their own I just listed above, which is more titles beyond what you listed.

Did you need some fabric softener for your spin?
 
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