DF: PES 2015 Face Off

starseeker said:
Then its poor decision to use deferred rendering engine than? If Fox engine games looks bloody amazing, then I can digest, but its no better than others. Thats just how it is.
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Different types of engines have different trade offs deffered and other stuff like forward plus are becoming popular at the moment. Can't blame Konami for using a tried and true technique, I wouldn't throw it out just because it doesn't map well to one of the 5 platforms you are developing for.

Do you guys seriously expect them to completely redesign their engine around the XB1?.
 
The Living Tribunal said:
I'm beyond even questioning that.
My issue is porting last gen assests to the PC platform which is by FAR the more familiar platform.

What is the reasoning behind that? You can argue the Xb1 having a non traditional framebuffer and RAM arrangement and there is merit to that claim, but when you throw the PC into the mix the entire argument falls a little flat.
It stinks of non optimization/laziness on everything OTHER than the PS4. That is my issue.
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Its all cool for Konami, as long as they do not play the Victim card complaining sales of PES compare to FIFA due to licencing & sht...
 
kb said:
Different types of engines have different trade offs deffered and other stuff like forward plus are becoming popular at the moment. Can't blame Konami for using a tried and true technique, I wouldn't throw it out just because it doesn't map well to one of the 5 platforms you are developing for.

Do you guys seriously expect them to completely redesign their engine around the XB1?.
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See Oblong post.

They will not be getting my money anyway, never mind I have a PS4, I put my money on FiFA 15.
 
starseeker said:
See Oblong post.

They will not be getting my money anyway, never mind I have a PS4, I put my money on FiFA 15.
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And what if the reason it doesn't run well is because of decisions that Microsoft made years ago?. You are going to spite Konami because of Microsofts decisions?,
 
starseeker said:
Its all cool for Konami, as long as they do not play the Victim card complaining sales of PES compare to FIFA due to licencing & sht...
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So many striking similarities between this gen and last. The roles are reversed.
I can remember early in the PS3/360 days devs would release half-assed versions of games on the PS3 (it also having a troublesome architecture) and leaving the system with lower resolution, underperforming multiplatform titles.

People complained then too.
 
The Living Tribunal said:
So many striking similarities between this gen and last. The roles are reversed.
I can remember early in the PS3/360 days devs would release half-assed versions of games on the PS3 (it also having a troublesome architecture) and leaving the system with lower resolution, underperforming multiplatform titles.

People complained then too.
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I did the sensible thing then.....


I bought a 360

I agreed MS have to take a blame for the underpower (relative to PS4) , & harder to develop platform, but a game (thats isn't even demanding) that is still 720p on X1 in late 2014 from a major studio is unacceptable.
 
starseeker said:
I did the sensible thing then.....


I bought a 360

I agreed MS have to take a blame for the underpower (relative to PS4) , & harder to develop platform, but a game (thats isn't even demanding) that is still 720p on X1 in late 2014 from a major studio is unacceptable.
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Isn't the Halo 5 beta 72oP?
 
I don't know what resolution the Halo 5 (beta?) is, but I don't see how it is relevant to bring it up.
An open sandbox shooter vs. a sports game?

Yeah. No.
 
The Living Tribunal said:
I don't know what resolution the Halo 5 (beta?) is, but I don't see how it is relevant to bring it up.
An open sandbox shooter vs. a sports game?

Yeah. No.
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Its unaccepetable according to starseeker. Shouldnt we trash 343 now?.
 
kb said:
Its unaccepetable according to starseeker. Shouldnt we trash 343 now?.
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For a beta?
Not only that, but they are completely different games. I can guarantee you Halo 5 has more going on on screen.
Why are we even discussing the Halo 5 Beta again?
 
The Living Tribunal said:
For a beta?
Not only that, but they are completely different games. I can guarantee you Halo 5 has more going on on screen.
Why are we even discussing the Halo 5 Beta again?
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To point out that its not like PES is the only 720P game out there, there are others and because of that I think its unfair to only trash Konami.
 
kb said:
And what if the reason it doesn't run well is because of decisions that Microsoft made years ago?. You are going to spite Konami because of Microsofts decisions?,
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Ok, let's to go a world where Xbox One doesn't exist... Why did the PC version get a Direct X 9 release in 2014?

Quality developer, right? Not lazy... They have no deferred rendering bottleneck to avoid. Why would the PC version intentionally get a release that pales in comparison to the PS4 version when power is not an issue there?
 
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If Halo 5 is release at 720p, then its unacceptable. I would be as critical (in fact more) to 343 as well. There you have my answer.
 
pravus said:
Ok, let's to go a world where Xbox One doesn't exist... Why did the PC version get a Direct X 9 release in 2014?

Quality developer, right? Not lazy... They have no deferred rendering bottleneck to avoid. Why would the PC version intentionally get a release that pales in comparison to the PS4 version when power is not an issue there?
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Good question and this is unacceptable.
 
Konami and the PES team have been struggling technically for years.

Last gen the PS3 versions had lower resolutions, worse frame rate, stuttering and inferior image quality compared to the 360 version.

Seems to be a role reversal again. They really haven't been focussed on pushing graphics for years (PES 2010 actually looks better in stills on the old engine at times but animates horribly). The new engine was more to drastically improve the physics, animation and game play rather than look great.
 
Troublegum said:
Konami and the PES team have been struggling technically for years.

Last gen the PS3 versions had lower resolutions, worse frame rate, stuttering and inferior image quality compared to the 360 version.

Seems to be a role reversal again. They really haven't been focussed on pushing graphics for years (PES 2010 actually looks better in stills on the old engine at times but animates horribly). The new engine was more to drastically improve the physics, animation and game play rather than look great.
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This. They are simply focusing their time and money in one direction and using what they have with minimum effort outside of that.
 
Same. Think its only this and MGS which was another game that was poorly made for Xbox.
 
Ceger said:
If you think the resolution difference is anything other than a problem with Konami, then you are an idiot. Every one of their releases on X1 have been 720P. That's a Konami development based issue, not the console itself.
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Not to mention the drop in res doesn't result in increases in other areas. It's running lower, AND sporting less refined effects- that's extremely suspect as far as Konami's either abilities, engine, or even willingness to work around different hardware.
 
It's ok to call a dev lazy when the PS4 loses a face off, but it's not ok to call a dev lazy when the X1 loses a face off.

720p on the X1 is laughable.
 
Kvally said:
It's ok to call a dev lazy when the PS4 loses a face off, but it's not ok to call a dev lazy when the X1 loses a face off.

720p on the X1 is laughable.
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But the X1 can't handle it. That's the difference.
 
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Kvally said:
It's ok to call a dev lazy when the PS4 loses a face off, but it's not ok to call a dev lazy when the X1 loses a face off.
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Most people think Konami is either lazy or mostly at fault for the 720p. You only have to read this thread to see...
 
Played the demo on Xbox one today...disgusting. Konami should be ashamed. How they managed to make something so ugly on more powerful hardware is baffling.
 
menace-uk- said:
Played the demo on Xbox one today...disgusting. Konami should be ashamed. How they managed to make something so ugly on more powerful hardware is baffling.
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The PC version are also ugly, from what I heard.
 
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