Give us your DEFINITION of Next Generation.

Mc why even make threads if all your going to do is troll the Sony preference answers?

Sony's VR helmet would get a hellavalot more attention then kinect does from "gamers"
I'm not trolling. I just think the current offering of VR headsets are hideous beyond belief. Some gamers better/halfs have a problem with some of them gaming in general to begin with. Imagine someone with a huge black device hanging from the tips of their nose. Some get flack just for gaming witha controller because the other complains they won't pay attention to them while they're immersed in a digital world. Now imagine completely blocking out your wife or husband because you havea TV screen sitting on your face that makes you look absolutely ridiculous...


No thank you....

And yes, I've been in relationships where the woman I was dating hated that I was a gamer...
 
Just imagine: You're sitting on your couch with the O.R. goggles on your face playing the next Skyrim, everything is lovely. You're thinking you and your woman are okay and the relationship has never been better. In fact, you just got out of a session and she's sleeping in the bedroom.

When your done gaming, you take the TV off your face and the whole house is empty with a "Dear John" letter sitting in the cat box full of cat s*** and Fluffy is gone....

All she leaves you is a fifteen inch pan and scan television, the old VCR from the closet and a video cassette tape that reads "WATCH ME."

Bet you'll wish you had a Kinect then....
 
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Just imagine: You're sitting on your couch with the O.R. goggles on your face playing the next Skyrim, everything is lovely. You're thinking you and your woman are okay and the relationship has never been better. In fact, you just got out of a session and she's sleeping in the bedroom.

When your done gaming, you take the TV off your face and the whole house is empty with a "Dear John" letter sitting in the cat box full of cat s*** and even Fluffy is gone....

All she leaves you is a fifteen inch pan and scan television, the old VCR from the closet and a tape that reads "WATCH ME."

Bet you'll wish you had a Kinect then....
LOL.

Oculus Rift and Sony VR = black brick strapped to your face

Kinect = land of the free
 
Right. And the video cassette is your woman bangin out your best friend, and she says to the camera, "This is what I was doing while you were balancing a tv on your face, you idiot!"

Then you'll need Kinect to Skype her at your ex best friends house to beg her for her forgiveness. So tragic....
 
Since the visor is only part of the VR experience, just wait for the final product..... VR goggle section + headphones + mic.

In other words, the full experience will require you to wear as much gear on your head as an astronaut.
 
I would. I think it could be quite the experience with enough creativity for interacting with digital copies of your favorite novel. I'll admit the idea is kind of rough but I think it could work. Childrens books would be a gold mine with this kind of thing. Thats just me...

A picture book maybe, but for real books aka novels, sounds utterly pointless. Unless you're sitting 4" from the TV I imagine you have to be pretty zoomed in to read any text which means much scrolling per page. Sounds like a hassle.
 
I'd say, noticeably better graphics, dedicated servers, no loading times, much larger games and more in depth abilities, no invisible walls, no pop-in's and new innovations, (you could class what MS are doing as this).
 
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New hardware and new games that wouldn't be able to play on the old hardware.
 
This gen ends when I say it does. Doesn't hold the same weight but Sony already claimed the next gen starts slogan... o_O
 
A picture book maybe, but for real books aka novels, sounds utterly pointless. Unless you're sitting 4" from the TV I imagine you have to be pretty zoomed in to read any text which means much scrolling per page. Sounds like a hassle.
Well considering things like smart glass that can also be used with this type of feature. Also, if there were visual representations of the characters with animated backgrounds, certain chapters would queue proper music etc. The text could be worked out. Not sure how but I still think it could work.

To be able to make interacting with your favorite novels easy and more immersive would essentially be the goal for a feature like this.
 
Commercial oculus rift release, my wireless headphones, race wheel, flight stick, wireless sixense controllers and stems, and a fan to mimic wind. Anything else is pc gaming from 5 years ago. Rift haters are just jelly. Enjoy halo 12, call of duty 15 and forza 8 at sub 1080p and laggy 60ms response time kinect. Trolllllolololol
 
Next-Generation purely means the next iteration of the hardware device that comes out to take the place of the previous hardware device.

I define next-gen graphics to be using all the current latest R&D efforts in an application that is near impossible to implement with the current generation to any degree of playability. In that regard, the PC has already implemented next-gen graphics over a year ago. It remains to be seen if the next-gen consoles can actually implement ALL the latest advanced R&D into the new graphics engines for games and still maintain target framerates. For example, the Inferno demo by Epic on the PS4 failed to show next-gen graphics on the PS4 to me because they couldn't implement everything and maintain a playable framerate.
 
I think we can all agree that gaming will leave the frame in the future. Not sure it will be the VR headsets or motion controls or both for that matter, but we are leaving the frame for sure mate.

@Lucid ~ I'm not against having VR as a viable option for gaming, but not at the expense of looking like I got off the short yellow bus. High end tech needs to be attractive too. What is on offer right now, just doesn't cut it. I've got a reputation to uphold. Damn that...
 
I think we can all agree that gaming will leave the frame in the future. Not sure it will be the VR headsets or motion controls or both for that matter, but we are leaving the frame for sure mate.

@Lucid ~ I'm not against having VR as a viable option for gaming, but not at the expense of looking like I got off the short yellow bus. High end tech needs to be attractive too. What is on offer right now, just doesn't cut it. I've got a reputation to uphold. Damn that...
If any people claim motion controls are faddish and dying out, no way VR helmets will catch on. Never mind the cost and fact you have to strap that thing on your face (along with also putting on headphones with a mic for full immersive audio). If 3D tvs with tv makers giving out free glasses now can't even make 3D content take off, I don't see Oculus being more than a niche product.

Even worse, if you are playing locally, can the local hardware and software support more than 1 player doing VR at once?
 
If any people claim motion controls are faddish and dying out, no way VR helmets will catch on. Never mind the cost and fact you have to strap that thing on your face (along with also putting on headphones with a mic for full immersive audio). If 3D tvs with tv makers giving out free glasses now can't even make 3D content take off, I don't see Oculus being more than a niche product.

Even worse, if you are playing locally, can the local hardware and software support more than 1 player doing VR at once?

Good question...
 
VR headsets people have wanted since the late 80's... if priced and marketed right...they could be huge.

Why? Vr is nothing but 3d display with head tracking. And I thought most people hate 3d and that it is dying? 3d requires a lot of horsepower and only high-end graphics card can run games efficiently with them.
 
I agree with the horse power part but Sony will still pull it off.
Besides we don't know if the headset has its own cpu/gpu.
Truth of it, I didnt expect controllers to still be a part of the experience when VR headsets started getting a little spotlight. I'm sure the experience is immersive but its almost like trying to shoehorn two very different approaches to gaming.

Then again, I may have watched Lawnmower man too many times....
 
I think we can all agree that gaming will leave the frame in the future. Not sure it will be the VR headsets or motion controls or both for that matter, but we are leaving the frame for sure mate.

@Lucid ~ I'm not against having VR as a viable option for gaming, but not at the expense of looking like I got off the short yellow bus. High end tech needs to be attractive too. What is on offer right now, just doesn't cut it. I've got a reputation to uphold. Damn that...

I don't get the amount of concern on how you're going to look while you play. Have you seen people play the kinect? It's not flattering. But who cares? For the most part we are alone when playing games. You're the one enjoying the experience and if someone makes fun of you for wearing goggles for flailing your arms around, then maybe that is not someone you should associate yourself with.

A reputation to uphold? lol In all honesty, I'd rather someone see me playing with the rift than posting on a gaming forum.

If any people claim motion controls are faddish and dying out, no way VR helmets will catch on. Never mind the cost and fact you have to strap that thing on your face (along with also putting on headphones with a mic for full immersive audio). If 3D tvs with tv makers giving out free glasses now can't even make 3D content take off, I don't see Oculus being more than a niche product.

Even worse, if you are playing locally, can the local hardware and software support more than 1 player doing VR at once?

OK there is a lot of stuff just being thrown at the wall here. I'll go through it one by one.

If any people claim motion controls are faddish and dying out, no way VR helmets will catch on...huh? So if any person can just open their jaw and spew words about motion controls being a gimmick, than VR headsets are doomed? Please elaborate on this because this seems like a false correlation to me...

The cost is there, sure, and it may not for everyone. So are you saying that because not everyone can pay $300 for a headset, it will fail? There is a very enthusiastic market and development community for the Rift and we'll see how it pans out when the gaming community goes nuts for it upon commercial release. Once your average joe experiences it, word of mouth is going to permeate the world.

Have to strap the thing on your face and "need" headphones and mic. So if because you need to wear a headset with mic when playing on live, does that render the service useless or bad? Snowboarders wear ski-goggles, snorkelers wear water goggles, and virtual reality users will wear display goggles. I can bring those goggles anywhere. Say I have a gaming laptop, I can bring the laptop on a business trip with my rift and be in another world in my hotel room. You see, if you get past the stigma of wearing goggles you start realizing all the positive applications.

3D tvs cannot be compared to the rift just like motion controllers can't. Both of these comparisons are apples to oranges. The thing is with 3d tvs, is the cost/benefit is just not there. 3D tvs give users a flat layering effect on a box 10 feet away. So your backgrounds look a little in the background and objects appear in a couple different layers in the foreground. Not to mention all the ghosting that happens still due to glasses trying to fake a 3d image with active shutters.

With the rift, you ARE there. The tree on the left? It really is 40 feet tall. That boat in the distance? It is 500 yards away. The sense of scale alone is just not something we've ever seen before. Then you start talking about how 3d works with the rift and it is even more exciting. The Rift displays virtual reality...exactly like reality. Each eye is given a different perspective depending on how far apart your eyes are with the display and the 3d becomes natural. So you perceive virtual reality just as you do real reality. And finally you get 1 to 1 head tracking. Look around all you want with no humanly perceivable latency. 3d tvs are an augmentation to how we experience media, virtual reality is a revolution.

Playing locally is kind of a pain due to the hardware needed. However, with the advancement of mobile technology, it is not very difficult to think a smart phone/rift hybrid in the future that would allow a all in one wireless VR device. Until then, go to a virtual club and go around meeting and talking to people in VR if you want a social experience. :)

Watch this too to see what new input devices could mean as well. Just so freakin amazing. As a gamer, how can you not get excited for this?

 
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Next-generation to me isn't about the hardware, it's about the games. So far all of the AAA next-gen games like Battlefield 4, COD Ghosts, Titanfall, and sports games, are still coming out on current-gen and/or PC.

Valve recently updated Counter-Strike Global Offensive by adding the "WATCH" menu. This is next-gen to me because it eliminates the entire needing to stream aspect. Instead, Valve themselves have created a way for players to watch matches live via in-game.

http://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2013/10/7725/



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Now Super Streetfighter 4 does this with their replay channels, but those are not live matches. Quakelive allows this by simply going into a server and choosing spectator, from there you can spec live matches taking place. I do this frequently with Quake Live pros, since I know their names, I can tell when they're in a server and I can just hop in and watch straight from their pov using the spec controls in-game.

I think social integration and online functionality are next-generation. The hardware are gimmicks to me, i.e., motion-tech.

I believe Battlefield 4 might be doing this but I'm not sure.
 
A console generations is defined by games, not hardware. Going by what we have seen this thus far it is same s*** different gen. Nothing really stands out IMO. Plus on the specs side. These consoles are on the low side.
 
For me, originally, was 1080p @ 60fps. Now that I've seen it all and all of the tech has been discussed, I'm ok with that not being the case. Games are more expansive and they have a lot more going on than the current gen. But I do hope as the years pass 1080p @ 60fps will become more of the norm rather than the exception that it is now.
 
The social integration is going to be HUGE next gen I believe. I believe gamers should have their own social website specifically for gamer comments, videos, reviews etc, like facebook. We can call it: TWEET YO GAME FACEBOOK BISH!
 
For me, originally, was 1080p @ 60fps. Now that I've seen it all and all of the tech has been discussed, I'm ok with that not being the case. Games are more expansive and they have a lot more going on than the current gen. But I do hope as the years pass 1080p @ 60fps will become more of the norm rather than the exception that it is now.

1080p and 60fps should be a requirement in my opinion, isn't required on blu-ray movies?
 
I don't get the amount of concern on how you're going to look while you play. Have you seen people play the kinect? It's not flattering. But who cares? For the most part we are alone when playing games. You're the one enjoying the experience and if someone makes fun of you for wearing goggles for flailing your arms around, then maybe that is not someone you should associate yourself with.

A reputation to uphold? lol In all honesty, I'd rather someone see me playing with the rift than posting on a gaming forum.



OK there is a lot of stuff just being thrown at the wall here. I'll go through it one by one.

If any people claim motion controls are faddish and dying out, no way VR helmets will catch on...huh? So if any person can just open their jaw and spew words about motion controls being a gimmick, than VR headsets are doomed? Please elaborate on this because this seems like a false correlation to me...

The cost is there, sure, and it may not for everyone. So are you saying that because not everyone can pay $300 for a headset, it will fail? There is a very enthusiastic market and development community for the Rift and we'll see how it pans out when the gaming community goes nuts for it upon commercial release. Once your average joe experiences it, word of mouth is going to permeate the world.

Have to strap the thing on your face and "need" headphones and mic. So if because you need to wear a headset with mic when playing on live, does that render the service useless or bad? Snowboarders wear ski-goggles, snorkelers wear water goggles, and virtual reality users will wear display goggles. I can bring those goggles anywhere. Say I have a gaming laptop, I can bring the laptop on a business trip with my rift and be in another world in my hotel room. You see, if you get past the stigma of wearing goggles you start realizing all the positive applications.

3D tvs cannot be compared to the rift just like motion controllers can't. Both of these comparisons are apples to oranges. The thing is with 3d tvs, is the cost/benefit is just not there. 3D tvs give users a flat layering effect on a box 10 feet away. So your backgrounds look a little in the background and objects appear in a couple different layers in the foreground. Not to mention all the ghosting that happens still due to glasses trying to fake a 3d image with active shutters.

With the rift, you ARE there. The tree on the left? It really is 40 feet tall. That boat in the distance? It is 500 yards away. The sense of scale alone is just not something we've ever seen before. Then you start talking about how 3d works with the rift and it is even more exciting. The Rift displays virtual reality...exactly like reality. Each eye is given a different perspective depending on how far apart your eyes are with the display and the 3d becomes natural. So you perceive virtual reality just as you do real reality. And finally you get 1 to 1 head tracking. Look around all you want with no humanly perceivable latency. 3d tvs are an augmentation to how we experience media, virtual reality is a revolution.

Playing locally is kind of a pain due to the hardware needed. However, with the advancement of mobile technology, it is not very difficult to think a smart phone/rift hybrid in the future that would allow a all in one wireless VR device. Until then, go to a virtual club and go around meeting and talking to people in VR if you want a social experience. :)

Watch this too to see what new input devices could mean as well. Just so freakin amazing. As a gamer, how can you not get excited for this?



No that type of reputation...;)