Both original Xbox and 360 launch models had big motherboards with PCB traces wide enough to fly a plane through. It's just American engineering.
Inside PS4 and Xbox One
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No offense mate, but this has to be the most blatant example in lack of understanding on sooooo many levels. Just sayin....
No offense mate, but this has to be the most blatant example in lack of understanding on sooooo many levels. Just sayin....
I wouldn't be surprised to see duct tape holding all the components together once I get my xbox home, since MS obviously didn't put much thought into the console!
I wouldn't be surprised to see duct tape holding all the components together once I get my xbox home, since MS obviously didn't put much thought into the console!
Dat....dats nice mate.
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No offense mate, but this has to be the most blatant example in lack of understanding on sooooo many levels. Just sayin....
Please explain, and if you do bother to reply let me add a picture of Valve's prototype steam machine for you to contemplate about.
About the size of the XB1, Titan GPU, Internal Power Supply etc...Microsoft could have designed a box with an internal power supply.
No offense mate, but this has to be the most blatant example in lack of understanding on sooooo many levels. Just sayin....
Everything is relative. Relative to the PS4 the Xbone looks like it is slapped together. Look at all that extra space for heat to trap and those wires. You can tell Microsoft is not a hardware company. They are a software company which is ironic because now the "software company" has the worse game development tools too.
They could have, but they also clearly designed it to be adequately cooled so there was never a RROD fiasco again. Internal power supplies add in uneccessary heat. I've also had 360 power supplies fail, I'd much rather just go get a new power supply than have to send the unit in for warranty, or even replace it because it's out of warranty.Please explain, and if you do bother to reply let me add a picture of Valve's prototype steam machine for you to contemplate about.
About the size of the XB1, Titan GPU, Internal Power Supply etc...Microsoft could have designed a box with an internal power supply.
Which becomes pretty much irrelevant from the many mini-itx PC systems with internal power supplies. Valve is able to do it, and I can guarantee you that a Titan and i7 are generating a whole s*** load of more heat than a 1.2 TFlop console. Dell is even able to do it in their X51 products. The fact is the PS4/XB1 use laptop/mobile grade CPUs and 2+ year old GPUs.
I am not saying it's needed, just that it is an over the top reaction from not wanting any heating issues whatsoever this gen. They probably could of easily fit an internal PSU but maybe didn't want to out of fear of another RROD fiasco.
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Lets keep the silly personal back and forth out of this. If you guys can't even discuss something as petty as this without insulting one another...I don't see you being on UVGF much longer.
They all look fine but that Steambox and PS4 look sexy.
The modder inside of me wants to put the PS4 and X1 into the same case and water cool the components!
The modder inside of me wants to put the PS4 and X1 into the same case and water cool the components!
Please explain, and if you do bother to reply let me add a picture of Valve's prototype steam machine for you to contemplate about.
About the size of the XB1, Titan GPU, Internal Power Supply etc...Microsoft could have designed a box with an internal power supply.
amazing design, that's for sure.
Are you being serious? Perhaps if there was no or inadequate ventilation that might be an issue, but the X1 has more than adequate ventilation. With the oversized fan that extra space will allow adequate airflow. If you are trying to insinuate that the X1's case is of poor design, then I guess pretty much every desktop PC case is also poorly designed, yet the various form factors are all standards and incorporate extra space.
What is all that copper tubing under the Xbox fan? The Xbox design is spacious and roomy with easily servicable components, not unlike a tower PC. Seems like that small turbine fan on PS4 will have to do yeoman's service cooling it. It looks more Apple-like and sexy, but all you see is plastic casing; a LOT of plastic casing.
I wonder what is the chance of another up clock for the xb1.
It def looks like it could handle the heat.
It def looks like it could handle the heat.
The fan is so big, not for cooling but for quiet. It doesn't have run at a high RPM for adequate cooling. It will run whisper quiet compare to the original 360 SKU's smaller ones.
Which is an incorrect statement. Most PC cases *decent ones* use a push pull configuration. And what good is adequate space when there is no set direction of airflow? I see a heat sink and a fan dispersing the heat throughout the whole system.
I would have liked PS4's case and heatsink/fan to be larger. I think it was a mistake to be so small. They'd have more room for overclocking and cooling, and they'd be able to shrink it down eventually with a slim version in a few years.
Yields are far more important then tdp when fabbing chips they are probably teetering on the edge of the cliff wrt yields with the upclock it's the logical move to make.
http://abload.de/img/xb1_ps4_vergleichi5sof.jpg
The size difference is pretty big, granted its a dev board vs a retail board but I wouldn't expect it to get much smaller to retail, less components is assured on the other hand.
Lol,Looks exactly the same way they designed the 360 shell!
You can do that yourself?
Most people modded the 360 fans to keep the console cool themself
I didn't say it would not have adequate ventilation. It needs that large fan because it has that air cavity which is a heat trap. Do you build gaming rigs? Having any air volume at all is not good because it allows heat trapping. I'm not saying this will happen to your precious X1 because they obviously should have thought of that, but the ideal box is where there is no cavity at all and all of the heat gets blown out. And yes most desktop PC cases, which have plenty of extra space for expansion and changing out boards, are compromised as such and therefore are somewhat suboptimal--which is why you want to pay up for a good one with a set direction of push pull airflow.
All you see is plastic casing (which in reality is a directed highway of airflow) if you are only looking at that one picture, but watch the teardown video: http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/11/playstation4-teardown-video
Oh yeah. The bigger, thicker and the more it conducts the better. That's what she said.
All that casing on the PS4 will trap heat, just like a glove on your hand if not carefully designed. An open space with good airflow and ventilation, dissipates heat faster, just like a big drafty warehouse or barn. Both consoles passed inspection in that regard, and I forsee no real problem with either.
In the teardown video there is no real space in that casing to trap anything. The majority of the plastic in that picture is actually specifically dedicated for unidirectional airflow. I agree there shouldn't be a problem with either with heat (especially with their crappy low voltage CPU's). I do think MS has plenty of space in there for an internal power supply though.