Inside PS4 and Xbox One

[wafflespunch007]

In the teardown video there is no real space in that casing to trap anything. The majority of the plastic in that picture is actually specifically dedicated for unidirectional airflow. I agree there shouldn't be a problem with either with heat (especially with their crappy low voltage CPU's). I do think MS has plenty of space in there for an internal power supply though.

Now I have to worry about 2 power supply...when I clean out my tv cabinet before launch!

 

[wafflespunch007]

Do any of you want to see my setup?

 

[Hammerclaw]

In the teardown video there is no real space in that casing to trap anything. The majority of the plastic in that picture is actually specifically dedicated for unidirectional airflow. I agree there shouldn't be a problem with either with heat (especially with their crappy low voltage CPU's). I do think MS has plenty of space in there for an internal power supply though.

Heat has to dissipate somewhere, either into the surrounding air or surrounding material. I'm sure Sony's design pushes enough air through the ductwork at a constant rate to prevent that. I've never had a Sony console over-heat. Microsoft has a PC philosophy when it comes to power supplies: easy to replace if they fail, and no chance they might damage the console. I have had Power supply failures in a couple of consoles that turned them into doorstops.

 

[TeKPhaN]

well hopefully these consoles are kool enough

 

[Hammerclaw]

Too bad that's like not even true at all.

I believe this is what he was referring to, Ketto. https://discussions.apple.com/message/15283485#15283485

 

[xbgamer7]

Damn, Ketto really never gets tired of being wrong does he?

BTW, I am currently using a mid 2010 unibody macbook, heat is one of the many problems it has.

 

[Ketto]

I believe this is what he was referring to, Ketto. https://discussions.apple.com/message/15283485#15283485

So he's referring to common things not to do with laptops in general. Cool; Apple's Macbooks have topped reliability charts for 6 years in running among pretty much all publications and they have won numerous awards for their reliability. This runs completely counter to his statement that they're the most unreliable.

Damn, Ketto really never gets tired of being wrong does he?

BTW, I am currently using a mid 2010 unibody macbook, heat is one of the many problems it has.

anecdotal evidence.

 

[Hammerclaw]

So he's referring to common things not to do with laptops in general. Cool; Apple's Macbooks have topped reliability charts for 6 years in running among pretty much all publications and they have won numerous awards for their reliability. This runs completely counter to his statement that they're the most unreliable.



anecdotal evidence.

All laptops will overheat if not properly ventilated, I use a chiller with mine because I like big laptops instead of tower computers.No question that Apple leads the pack in overall reliability.

 

[xbgamer7]

My macbook is the worst laptop I've ever had. It's hot, and it seems to crack easily, I have like 4 cracks on this one, 2 at the back hinges, one big one going from the magsafe plug to the keyboard, and one directly below the track pad.

 

[consolewarz]

A poster on beyond3d does some napkin math sizing of the two SoCs.

"I.e. based on package size it's (very roughly) ~400mm² vs. ~360mm²; but the chips obviously use different packaging ... so that result might be slightly deluding in the one or other direction."

So initial estimates of PS4 being 3 billion transistors may be off base. It looks to be closer to 4 billion. Which would better explain why the 1.6 bil ESRAM of XB1's reported 5 bil ate into the GPU budget. 5 bil - 1.6 bil = 3.4 bil left for the rest of the chip, minus other parts like SHAPE that are mainly there to help Kinect operate. GPU CUs and ROPs had to be chopped off, sadly.

 

[Variance]

So he's referring to common things not to do with laptops in general. Cool; Apple's Macbooks have topped reliability charts for 6 years in running among pretty much all publications and they have won numerous awards for their reliability. This runs completely counter to his statement that they're the most unreliable.



anecdotal evidence.

Aluminum (late 200 Foxconn is the biggest one that sticks out. Nevermind that Apple was very persistent on a thermal paste for it's products for years (2006-2011) that not even HP (who owned the building with Foxconn in Indianapolis) could recommend a fix without a smug shoulder. Anecdotal, but as someone that has seen it, tested them, complained, and even laughed at their FAQ which recommends background program killing. He's not lying.

 

[consolewarz]

Macbook Airs have fans so tiny they're practically passive cooled. PS4 at the least has a large fan with heatsink and vents on the sides and rear. The rear is practically all vents.

It definitely needs good ventilation, though. Do not put this thing in a small entertainment cabinet.

 

[Ceger]

More impressed with how the PS4 was put together. It looks a lot more well though out compared to XB1. It just looks like Microsoft didn't put to much in the thought process. I'm pretty sure they could have had an internal PSU, but it seems like they just slapped a bunch of components together hoping for the best.

Remember that the X1 board shown to date is first run, thus all the large component pieces and heavy board lines. At this point the retail unit is most likely multilayered PCB with more space/energy saving components. Or common sense would dictate, but this is MS, but again they are retooling on design with their new hardware direction (Surface).

Would like to see the insides of the retail X1.

 

[A7]

You can do that yourself?

Most people modded the 360 fans to keep the console cool themself

I've modded just about everything as far as related to game consoles in the last 4-5 years, from Wii's to 360's and PS3's to even the old OG Xbox (physically adding more RAM).

 

[kb]

Remember that the X1 board shown to date is first run, thus all the large component pieces and heavy board lines. At this point the retail unit is most likely multilayered PCB with more space/energy saving components. Or common sense would dictate, but this is MS, but again they are retooling on design with their new hardware direction (Surface).

Would like to see the insides of the retail X1.

It would be literally impossible to run something as complicated as a motherboard for a device like the xbox1 as a single layer pcb.

 

[Ceger]

It would be literally impossible to run something as complicated as a motherboard for a device like the xbox1 as a single layer pcb.

Agreed. I expect it to be a bit more inline with looking like the PS4 motherboard. I was just pointing out for people thinking that the X1 board shown was final.