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Are You Buying...

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  • All Digital

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  • 50/50

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  • Mostly Physical

    Votes: 4 40.0%
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The issue lies in that very statement Phil said. We know it increases game sales for certain titles but that it also cannibalizes sales for others. Xbox fans be making a blanket assumption that all titles sales will be increased from being on GP when that is simply not the case. The devs who said they benefitted from being on GP are not lying and the fact other games also get less sales from being on GP is factually correct.
So the fuss is over what exactly. Xbox fans making blanket statements. In other words just console ware BS.
 
So... Forspoken sold better when you factor in also PlayStation and physical formats and not just steam.


Rush was a bigger success on Steam.

Forspoken has 3 sets of sales and is $40 more. The chart isn't based on units sold.

You take just it's stream sales and its not on that chart pic.
 
It's almost like also being on PS5 and more than twice the price helped it out...

Crazy.
 
Speaking about clickbait... Appears people ran away with the hi fi rush beating Forspoken on steam charts news because it doesn't even appear in top 20 titles sold in NA.


It did beat it. Take your console wars to gaf. You will be banned quickly.
 
Because people are still posting about it now and running away with that meaning it outsold forspoken. It has not according to the NPD.

It's selling more on steam globally and still is (HiFi rush is 34 while forspoken isn't charting) not sure what narrative is been pushed here? Numbers are there, dude just linked NPD which tracks physical sales in NA.
 
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It did beat it. Take your console wars to gaf. You will be banned quickly.

Nope.

It's selling more on steam globally and still is (HiFi rush is 34 while forspoken isn't charting) not sure what narrative is been pushed here? Numbers are there, dude just linked NPD which tracks physical sales in NA.

NPD tracks both digital and physical unless marked with an asterisk.
 
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Very interesting quote from the article and that is in the beginning 6 months after GP officially launched.

"But Game Pass’ benefits and drawbacks to publishers may not be the primary concern for U.K. regulators. In January 2018, with Xbox Game Pass then six months old, several retailers told GamesIndustry.biz that Game Pass had made their Xbox business “worthless overnight.”

“We might as well go where we’re supported, which is Sony,” one store owner said at the time."
 
Very interesting quote from the article and that is in the beginning 6 months after GP officially launched.

"But Game Pass’ benefits and drawbacks to publishers may not be the primary concern for U.K. regulators. In January 2018, with Xbox Game Pass then six months old, several retailers told GamesIndustry.biz that Game Pass had made their Xbox business “worthless overnight.”

“We might as well go where we’re supported, which is Sony,” one store owner said at the time."
Haven’t retailers been saying that for ages now, ever since digital sales and distribution dominance of book stores like Amazon?
 
Nope. Digital only AFAIK.

And Xbox only allows physical if it will guarantee meet a certain target sales number apparently. Forget who posted that bit. Maybe karmakid ?

I don't even remember the last time they posted numbers for games? I think the article was about a minimum of 10,000 printed copies?
 
Nope. Digital only AFAIK.

And Xbox only allows physical if it will guarantee meet a certain target sales number apparently. Forget who posted that bit. Maybe karmakid ?
It’s been yet to be confirmed, but an assumption of mine since niche online stores like limitedrungames.com.

And according to said dev who made the statement, each platform holder has a rule unplaced on how many physical copies must be produced….Xbox just happens to have the highest threshold requirement :( but I guess when ratioed it makes more sense since the latter two have a larger audience it makes it less of a gamble.

I dono, im just a office chair speculative gamer trying to make sense of it all from all sides, kinda sorta maybe 😆🙃

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And then there’s this…

https://unionvgf.com/index.php?threads/playstation-plus-hurts-game-sales….175265/
 
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Haven’t retailers been saying that for ages now, ever since digital sales and distribution dominance of book stores like Amazon?

Yeah. And like what most people think, why buy if I can just wait/play when subscribed to GP. See it all the time.
 
I don't even remember the last time they posted numbers for games? I think the article was about a minimum of 10,000 printed copies?

MS posted sales numbers for Gears 5 back in 2019. Historically, if the game does well they will announce them.
 
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Hold on, did HiFi rush even get a physical release?


Nope. And dried still ignoring that Rush beating Forspoken was always about steam while Forspoken charting is based on Steam, PS5 physical and digital sales.
The chart is also money made not units sold.

Again, $70 vs $30

Pretty clear most Xbox gamers who have played it did so via GP.
 
Nope. And dried still ignoring that Rush beating Forspoken was always about steam while Forspoken charting is based on Steam, PS5 physical and digital sales.
The chart is also money made not units sold.

Again, $70 vs $30

Pretty clear most Xbox gamers who have played it did so via GP.

Not ignoring anything. Just stating that if you look at the overall picture instead of one platform to push a narrative, Forspoken did better despite the higher price which makes sense because of larger marketing push.

Miles Morales tracked in top 20 and beat Hifi Rush and they are probably the same price by now considering the former is a 2 year + game.
 
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When it is negative MS/XB you just keep going no matter what people post or link and when it’s defending Sony/PS the same. See a trend here.

Yes... that's how a discussion works. You say something and I say something back. Just like what we are doing now.

How is Forspoken selling better than expected and more than Hifi Rush negative for Xbox? It's one of the greater successes Xbox has enjoyed for a shadow drop and shows how GP is beneficial for games like this.
 
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Yes... that's how a discussion works. You say something and I say something back. Just like what we are doing now.

How is Forspoken selling better than expected and more than Hifi Rush negative for Xbox? It's one of the greater successes Xbox has enjoyed for a shadow drop and shows how GP is beneficial for games like this.
It’s funny how you normally pro Sony and knock MS every chance you get. Stop playing dumb.
 
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