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But you're talking future MS IPs. Unless you're clairvoyant, who knows what the future holds for MS exclusives.
Who knows? Who cares?
I'll answer number 2.
The consumer cares(xb history) and chooses PlayStation.

Most if not all of the upcoming Zenimax games will also be on PS.
We won't see Zenimax games only on the XB ecosystem for a long time.
When/if non PS ZM games do come... I don't see them being better than what Sony makes for it's PS consoles anyway, just saying.

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Who knows? Who cares?
I'll answer number 2.
The consumer cares(xb history) and chooses PlayStation.

Most if not all of the upcoming Zenimax games will also be on PS.
We won't see Zenimax games only on the XB ecosystem for a long time.
When/if non PS ZM games do come... I don't see them being better than what Sony makes for it's PS consoles anyway, just saying.

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You're like a broken record.
 
It’s really simple, if one brand/ product is widely perceived to be better at same price. Lowering the price of the less popular one is a way to swing consumers.

you can argue exclusives and all, but most of these exclusives will not be out until a while, and the gap would have been widen, and there is no indication MS will have better executives.
That was the whole point of the Series S, I don't think MS counted on Sony getting a $400 true next gen system out the door, that was a much smarter move than a $300 system that's much weaker IMO.

I agree with you on exclusives, xbox only fans and Xbox marketing keep saying "just wait" like we haven't been waiting for years but most of those studios they picked up in 2019 weren't doing well or were already only supporting xbox to begin with, not really looking for a lot of quality out of most of them although I do hope Playgrounds Fable is good, I would pick up a console just for that and Elder Scrolls IF both games are done well. Speaking of ES I don't think Bethesda's impact will be felt until Elder Scrolls launches and by then it'll likely be too late, hell we may be on refresh consoles by the time that game comes out, that is if they choose to have refresh consoles again this generation. Some will say "starfield" but given that Bethesda hasn't done a great job with their last few releases I wouldn't hold my breath on that game being anything major, I hope I'm wrong because I do like the company as a whole.
 
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PS brand is more popular than XBOX brand. How is this even subjective.
True, but they’re also in more markets then the other two and some may say they’re playing the long game...


But how is it that the switch seems to have no issues with supply with multiple sku variants and still outsell these next gen consoles?
 
True, but they’re also in more markets then the other two and some may say they’re playing the long game...


But how is it that the switch seems to have no issues with supply with multiple sku variants and still outsell these next gen consoles?

Lower cost of entry is my guess and casuals/kids love their Nintendo because I'm assuming they think it's more kid and family friendly. Also it's been out for a few years now and maybe they've been able to make plenty in stock.
 
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True, but they’re also in more markets then the other two and some may say they’re playing the long game...


But how is it that the switch seems to have no issues with supply with multiple sku variants and still outsell these next gen consoles?
Forbes has been suspect as a mofo towards Sony/PS.
I no longer trust them.
 
PlayStation has more global appeal than xbox there is no doubt about that, MS can't seem to do much outside of North America and the UK, they've had 3 generations to make strides and last gen they actually went backwards.
Very much like Sega with more money.
Best year for both Genesis/360.... both put up a heck of a fight but still lost Genesis came is 2nd after having a headstart/cheaper price and 360 came in 3rd after having a headstart/cheaper price.
 
There's roughly about 50 360 and og xbox games out of about 320 games on gamepass, doesn't seem like a huge number to me, and most of those 360 games are classics and/or EA games. I think it's a great service to have with friends as everyone can just download and play the same game straight away especially given their push towards co-op gaming.
 
Microsoft has a lot to prove and it starts with games.

They have a strong base model with Gamepass. And are doing very well with it right now. But they're going to need a few hit games to really move consoles.

Good thing they realize this and working towards that goal.

Some people ( the usual suspects) are going to either be optimistic or pessimistic about what Microsoft's first party exclusive offerings will bring to the competition.
 

From the article, the only thing I would like Sony to implement something similar is the Microsoft Rewards system. Earning some form of cashback in playing games sounds pretty great. The author mentions GP and FPS boost as the other two factors, of which the PS5 supports in the latter with its BC/boosted PS4 Pro settings mode. GP, I'm still not so sure about and there are rumours Sony will do something to answer it but we'll have to wait and see what it will be. Not too enthusiastic about having to pay more for another subscription like system with PS+ already pretty much essential.
 
Gamepass is much better than PS+. Not even close.

If Sony develops their own take on GP, that would be fantastic.

Don't know if my gf would like me spending any more time on gaming than I already do :laugh:

To be honest, I'm okay with Sony's current gaming model as releasing quality exclusives every now and then since I can play the PS5 on and off and maybe the odd multiplatform that I'm interested in like RE8 that's coming out soon. I'm okay with playing NBA2K21 as my main filler on console since I also game on my PC with Overwatch, Phasmophobia, Star Wars BattleFront 2, GTA online and now learning League of Legends with friends as all that already takes some significant gaming time. I really don't need the allure of a Netflix style gaming library to tempt me to spend any more time gaming.
 
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This was probably the gen to do it. Last gen PS4 started with a bang with being $100 less than the X1 at launch and being more powerful. PS3/360 gen numbers are pretty much equal with PS3 catching up and being very slightly ahead overall in the end. I believe PS3 sold 86-87 million and 360 84-85 million or something like that globally.

If MS did it this gen and went with $399 with the XSX and stating themselves that it is more powerful on paper, they would've gained huge momentum.

Now that they are the same price and multiplatform differences are out and showing the 2 consoles pretty much on par with each other and exchanging virtually equal blows, people will go with the PS5 because they know PS4's track record with exclusives and will just go with familiarity and where the big hits are. Also PC gamers may tend to go for PS5 more because they can play all the MS exclusives on their PC's. There are more than double the amount of PS4's globally compared to the X1 so naturally, friends will go with the console their other friends are on.

Having said this, both are selling out pretty much what they can produce at this moment so will have to wait for when stock is more abundant to make a better gauge.
For anyone seeking the value proposition, there's Game Pass. That value is going to get more mainstream attention before the year is up. Neither Xbox nor PlayStation will be readily on store shelves until middle of next year. Microsoft has to stock up Series X APUs into their Azure servers in addition to the demand. By then, the Game Pass value proposition will be on a level it's not at today...even with games like Outriders and MLB The Show. There's bigger AAA games coming to the service Day 1. Mainstream stuff. Things that will attract casuals.

Cannot downplay that value to any cost conscious customer. I know I'm in the minority here but I expect the console sales to flip in favor of Xbox worldwide by late 2022 unless Sony aggressively does something different. Consoles are just one leg of the Xbox stool but even with that in mind, the combination of acquisitions, partnerships and Game Pass's increasing value will hit a tipping point. There's crazy s*** in their pipeline.

End of the day I'm not invested in console sales. Doesn't mean what it used to. Arguing about it seems silly. Developers making a game for Series X are at the same time developing a cloud version. There's never been anyone investing in gaming close to the level of Microsoft right now. With the huge variance in spending, shouldn't expect it to stay close in revenue. They will need different levels of return to justify expenses. Microsoft will spend as much over 5 years as what PlayStation is worth overall. The paradigm is changing fast and PC and cloud will both be bigger factors in Xbox's ecosystem than console before the generation is over. Nobody needs to worry about what Microsoft needs to do to be competitive. PlayStation enthusiasts also shouldn't hold onto sales as a justification of their favorite platform or they're going to get tummy aches next year.
 
$450 XSX with a pack in vs a $500 PS5 would of made it closer.

Price drop/s will probably come after the dust settles but it would of been more significant at launch.
You still carry a beeper? These analysis and predictions are from another time period. Pack-ins? When there's finally stock, people will be able to walk about of Game Stop with a next gen console and the ability to play Starfield, Halo Infinite, Forza, Wolfenstein 3, EA sports games, etc....with no money down and $25 a month.
 
For anyone seeking the value proposition, there's Game Pass. That value is going to get more mainstream attention before the year is up. Neither Xbox nor PlayStation will be readily on store shelves until middle of next year. Microsoft has to stock up Series X APUs into their Azure servers in addition to the demand. By then, the Game Pass value proposition will be on a level it's not at today...even with games like Outriders and MLB The Show. There's bigger AAA games coming to the service Day 1. Mainstream stuff. Things that will attract casuals.

Cannot downplay that value to any cost conscious customer. I know I'm in the minority here but I expect the console sales to flip in favor of Xbox worldwide by late 2022 unless Sony aggressively does something different. Consoles are just one leg of the Xbox stool but even with that in mind, the combination of acquisitions, partnerships and Game Pass's increasing value will hit a tipping point. There's crazy s*** in their pipeline.

End of the day I'm not invested in console sales. Doesn't mean what it used to. Arguing about it seems silly. Developers making a game for Series X are at the same time developing a cloud version. There's never been anyone investing in gaming close to the level of Microsoft right now. With the huge variance in spending, shouldn't expect it to stay close in revenue. They will need different levels of return to justify expenses. Microsoft will spend as much over 5 years as what PlayStation is worth overall. The paradigm is changing fast and PC and cloud will both be bigger factors in Xbox's ecosystem than console before the generation is over. Nobody needs to worry about what Microsoft needs to do to be competitive. PlayStation enthusiasts also shouldn't hold onto sales as a justification of their favorite platform or they're going to get tummy aches next year.


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You still carry a beeper? These analysis and predictions are from another time period. Pack-ins? When there's finally stock, people will be able to walk about of Game Stop with a next gen console and the ability to play Starfield, Halo Infinite, Forza, Wolfenstein 3, EA sports games, etc....with no money down and $25 a month.
They have zero chance matching price.

Some of those games will also be on PlayStation.

The other "not so" exclusives you mentioned pale in comparison to PlayStation's offerings.
 
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