Accumulating a large number of turds does not magically upconvert them to gold nuggets.
PlayStation 4 and Xbox One resolution discussion.
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Accumulating a large number of turds does not magically upconvert them to gold nuggets.
And again, just because you collect a large number of turds does not magically upconvert them to gold nuggets.
Did we feel that way after five iterations of the current? That's the way it's always been. Games get tired.
Hence my comments on the shorter life cycles returning and the whole point of my post.
Clearly, they're just spreading FUD to hide the fact that they're having to use software downscaling to try to pretend to reach sub1080p native frames.
I don't see a shorter life cycle than the typical 6 years. I see these easily being the 7-8 years the current gen has been.
Maybe so, but we're still talking about launch games here. There were even more on the internet that thought the launch titles on the original 360 didn't look any different than original Xbox games whatsoever at the time. Regardless of resolution, I think the vast majority of "next-gen" games are quite easily noticeably nicer looking than 360/PS3. Seems like both systems have still been working out hardware issues even in the last month, so it probably shouldn't be too surprising that some devs had to make compromises to hit the launch date.
By the way, I'm not saying launch titles should all get a free ride, I'm just saying that it's par for the course to have some weak performing games early on. Even then, there's a lot more improvements going on under the hood than just easy to quote frame rate and resolution numbers, which is why I can't help but feel many are making this into a straw-man argument. You have guys with considerably better gaming PC's than the majority of gamers, who've played on both consoles, releasing videos like this, but then you have people on the net who've played on neither acting as if the systems are complete garbage because every game isn't 1080p/60fps. There's a bit too large of a difference in opinion there.
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People really do not need to worry about 1080P/60FPS. It will come soon enough. These are launch/learning transition games.
That cutscene part is ingame if we are to believe Crytek and Phil Spencer. So if it actually looks like that when we control the character, seriously...how can we not be impressed? If i imagine a RPG like a new Fallout or Elder Scrolls to look like that, i can only say...bring it on!!!! These are great times for gamers with very promising games coming up, both old and new IPs.
Other than the COD PS4 nope lol but what to do facts have to do with anything when it fits the kind of narrative they want? Apparently rumour is now taking the place of fact until facts are given
There isn't a place, your best bet is to wait until reviews/comparisons.
Code to the metal, potential, cell, cloud, balance, GPGPU, low latency.
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I fear you will be proven right. Which will not be a good thing.
I totally agree....Launch games all look a decent upgrade above what current gen is offering. Even the lesser ones such as COD still look noticeably better. This was not something I questioned. Plus, some are offering stuff beyond just visual. Forza has the A.I stuff. BF has the player numbers...etc
Some games look great too. Ryse I think looks fantastic and Infamous ( close enough to launch) also. Forza looks great too, but still disappoints hugely in what it does not offer for yet another iteration.
Well Opinions often are vastly different and wide in intent, but as somebody who has played all consoles ( except wii u) and PC. I can honestly say I have had as much fun, if not more so on the lesser hardware, and I hope this continues on next gen.
Ingame doesn;t mean much in this day and age. Just another Buzzword thrown about to confuse the masses.
From what I have seen of actual gamplay the stuff in the TV spot looks like cutscene footage to me, and enhanced over the actual gameplay visuals. How ever, Ryse still stands a pretty game. Perhaps the best looking Launch title for either consoles.
A new Fallout would be 5 times the size of Ryse which is far more linear in scope than you general RPG will be. Just saying.
I suspected so.Other than the COD PS4 nope lol but what to do facts have to do with anything when it fits the kind of narrative they want? Apparently rumour is now taking the place of fact until facts are given
I get that , but let's take Witcher 3 and Dragon Age 3 for example, both look absolutely great. I am very very ok with those kind of visuals in a RPG.
If it doesall turn out to be terrible..there's always PC and the upcoming Steam Machine.
Steam machine....
If the claimed PS4/Xbox one footage really was from those then yeah, but I have doubts on that.
I highly doubt it's gonna turn out terrible, the new boxes are better machines than current gen. By the vids we have of BF4 on XB1 (who know what build they are even) they look awesome, and have better features than current gen versions. Plus it can only get better from here, these are launch games people are bitching about...
Problem with that is the fact that typically console makers lost money on every unit sold and now Microsoft doesn't want to play that game anymore. Sony is still losing 60$ a console, imagine if they came out at 500$ price point. The ps4 would be a complete monster in specs. Microsoft is making money on each console sold and selling the console for 100$ more than the competition with weaker specs. It just doesn't feel right, at least not to me. If Microsoft repeated what they did with the 360 then most games being 1080p would be more than a dream.
The 360 was actually a beast in specs at the time it came out. There is no way to spin the fact that Kinect ruined xb1 specs. Just close your eyes and imagine what xb1 graphics would be like if they followed the same formula as the 360.
No one would be saying anything.
I just don't understand how 720p is okay when a lot of games were doing that last gen. It doesn't even matter what pc's can do for whatever price. 720p was doable on 360 which is an 8 year old machine. Common sense should dictate with a new generation and new hardware 8 years later we should see an improvement.
And LOL @ my being thread banned from the xbox one thread. f***ing hilarious. I've been pro xb1 since the reveal and as soon as some disappointing news comes out and I show an ounce of negativity toward xb1 I get banned for "trolling" what a f***ing joke. On TXB people called me a xb1 fanboy and now i'm banned for "trolling" xb1 thread because I'm not happy with 720p. Clowns are hilarious
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Troll!
lol it actually really pissed me off. I've been a part of this community for over 10 years, and I've always been pro xbox. Not only have I not owned a sony system since ps2 but I've never intentionally trolled anyone. Yet I get banned because 2 people decide to argue with me because i'm not happy with 720p on a 500$ machine that I've already fully paid for. >.>
Add to the fact that I never even said anything that was wrong. Pffft WTB TXB
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As a general rule, if NeoGAF/Reddit have “sources” on console news, just ignore it. Most of the time, it’s inaccurate or made up.
I know it’s interesting to see if a console is f***ed up. Sony and Microsoft have hundreds of millions of $ into making them work. It’s a fact that console launches are rushed. So hearing how software is buggy this late is perfectly normal.
This sensationalism is because many people haven’t done a launch before and no launch has had as much hyper-connectivity. People just want credit for being in the know. In the long run, almost all these stories are trivial. Relax.
I know it’s interesting to see if a console is f***ed up. Sony and Microsoft have hundreds of millions of $ into making them work. It’s a fact that console launches are rushed. So hearing how software is buggy this late is perfectly normal.
This sensationalism is because many people haven’t done a launch before and no launch has had as much hyper-connectivity. People just want credit for being in the know. In the long run, almost all these stories are trivial. Relax.
If there's actual evidence from ppl who are making public statements with vague or suggestive language, then by all means start speculating. 99% of the anti-X1 narrative since May has been spread very deliberately by the same cabal of highly one-sided GAF users who are feeding their 'insider info' to others on GAF, including 'journalists'. It's an echo chamber erected by ppl with atrocious track records lately.
Recall Thuway's GPU downclock bulls***, lies about games not being shown on real hardware, the falsified 6GB RAM for PS4 games crap, and his assertions that almost every X1 game is 720p or 900p without backing it up. CBOAT's plethora of pre-E3#truthfacts bulls*** that he made up out of thin air (free PSN, yield probs for X1, various games never being announced, MS paying devs to show games only on X1, DRM getting "worse", no self-publishing, indies only get 3GB of RAM to work with). Famousmortimer's claims about Tomb Raider, Halo 2013, League of Legends, Hawken and now claims he didn't even believe (CoD @ 720p) being passed off as confirmed when he was the sole source!
All of this FUD is engineered as such. It's stuff that usually can't be falsified until yrs down the line and in the mean time these idiots are heralded as GAF's prophets of wisdom and truth for making s*** up and telling GAF what it wants to hear.
Recall Thuway's GPU downclock bulls***, lies about games not being shown on real hardware, the falsified 6GB RAM for PS4 games crap, and his assertions that almost every X1 game is 720p or 900p without backing it up. CBOAT's plethora of pre-E3
All of this FUD is engineered as such. It's stuff that usually can't be falsified until yrs down the line and in the mean time these idiots are heralded as GAF's prophets of wisdom and truth for making s*** up and telling GAF what it wants to hear.
Probably because we are talking about 8 year old systems. Should 1080p be the standard for new systems releasing in 2013? Yes.
Some multiplatform games will look better on PS4, others will look better on Xbox One. Think about the differences between current multiplatform games. Do the differences in some games sway consumers enough to one console or the other? No they don't.
Graphics aren't everything. Ecosystem > graphics.
Most consumers will look at both consoles and be impressed by the visuals. It will boil down to the ecosystem both consoles offer, for the pricepoint.
Graphics aren't everything. Ecosystem > graphics.
Most consumers will look at both consoles and be impressed by the visuals. It will boil down to the ecosystem both consoles offer, for the pricepoint.
Which specific things would you like links for? (aka which do you assume to be true and what's the basis for your belief?)...
Now all of a sudden graphics don't matter. I guess that's why Wii U doing so well with it's awesome hardware specs. I guess that's why all of you great guys own Wii's and enjoy them everyday. I guess that's why we are all here waiting on new hardware for a new generation with improved graphics.
I love how you try to act like 1080p s*** graphics is what people are talking about. Obviously I'm referring to 1080p high quality graphics. Something that takes some nice specs to accomplish. Something that Wii U obviously doesn't have.
Keep pretending to be the fool though. We all know we want 1080p games with the graphics turned down to low and medium.
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