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[hrudey]

For them to end up at that price, the system has to be as expensive or more expensive than the competition which it is not.

You're neglecting the other dimension, how much profit or loss the company is willing to take. I know you're not used to there being more than one side to anything, though, so to make it easier, we'll put it in terms where it's just your heroes; if a low end TV costs Sony exactly 450 to produce, and the PS5 cost exactly 500, they'd price tv higher because they won't have the second revenue stream on that like they do on a console. The question is more whether Sony wants to lose as much as MS on each console sold.

 

[TeKPhaN]

They've already talked about that, how often do you think you'll be deleting games? if you have 12-15 games ready to go at any one time how often are you realistically going to have to keep deleting things? Do you buy and finish new games on a daily basis? do you plan on running out of space every day? You can either spend a ton of money on plug a plug and play external SSD's for the Series X or spend a bunch of money on a significantly larger internal SSD for the PS5 either way you are spending around as much as a new console would cost and that just doesn't make sense when you can get a 5TB external HDD for around $100, hell if you don't have data caps you don't even have to do that you can just delete and download again later.

My external SSD is a couple of years old now, I've deleted games and downloaded games over those two years and have had NO issues with it. Regardless every game you buy has to be installed on the SSD in either console just like they did with HDD's this gen, no matter how much space you have installing and deleting is going to be a thing, these things are made for this.

I've laid out the options we have and you keep saying they aren't options, open your eyes and take your fingers out of your ears and read/listen lol. You have options, they may not be options you like but you do have options.

It's terrible

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

You're neglecting the other dimension, how much profit or loss the company is willing to take. I know you're not used to there being more than one side to anything, though, so to make it easier, we'll put it in terms where it's just your heroes; if a low end TV costs Sony exactly 450 to produce, and the PS5 cost exactly 500, they'd price tv higher because they won't have the second revenue stream on that like they do on a console. The question is more whether Sony wants to lose as much as MS on each console sold.

That's true, but there is a REASON Sony removed the Blu Ray drive. And yes, we already know a Blu Ray drive doesn't solve every problem, but I'm sure that is why Sony didn't claim to have the worlds most powerful system neither. It's not a budget system, but it's not as expensive neither.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

If the rumors are true buying two of those external xbox SSD's will basically cost as much as a Series X.

NVMe PCIe 4.0 technology doesn't come cheap, with an alleged GameStop leak (via Reddit) now suggests a $219.99 RRP on the 1TB Xbox Storage Expansion Card.

Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S 1TB expansion card to cost $220, suggests leak

Microsoft's proprietary storage expansion for Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S could be costly, even if not a huge surprise given the SSD technology inside.

www.windowscentral.com

 

[eVo7]

NVMe PCIe 4.0 technology doesn't come cheap, with an alleged GameStop leak (via Reddit) now suggests a $219.99 RRP on the 1TB Xbox Storage Expansion Card.

Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S 1TB expansion card to cost $220, suggests leak

Microsoft's proprietary storage expansion for Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S could be costly, even if not a huge surprise given the SSD technology inside.

www.windowscentral.com

You mean, PROPRIETARY NVMe PCI-E 4.0 technology doesn't come cheap. NON-PROPRIETARY PCI-E 4.0 NVMe SSD's aren't that expensive.

SABRENT 1TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive R/W 4700/1800 MB/s (SB-RKTQ4-1TB) - Newegg.com

Buy SABRENT 1TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive R/W 4700/1800 MB/s (SB-RKTQ4-1TB) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

 

[TeKPhaN]

You mean, PROPRIETARY NVMe PCI-E 4.0 technology doesn't come cheap. NON-PROPRIETARY PCI-E 4.0 NVMe SSD's aren't that expensive.

SABRENT 1TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive R/W 4700/1800 MB/s (SB-RKTQ4-1TB) - Newegg.com

Buy SABRENT 1TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive R/W 4700/1800 MB/s (SB-RKTQ4-1TB) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

LOL that's not 12 channel.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

You mean, PROPRIETARY NVMe PCI-E 4.0 technology doesn't come cheap. NON-PROPRIETARY PCI-E 4.0 NVMe SSD's aren't that expensive.

SABRENT 1TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive R/W 4700/1800 MB/s (SB-RKTQ4-1TB) - Newegg.com

Buy SABRENT 1TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive R/W 4700/1800 MB/s (SB-RKTQ4-1TB) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

Correct. Sony will be using non proprietary or off the shelf

 

[TeKPhaN]

Correct. Sony will be using non proprietary or off the shelf

Not that type he posted.

 

[JinCA]

Not that type he posted.

Yeah that drive he linked isn't fast enough, they have to be at least as fast as what's included in the PS5 already and likely a bit faster since Cerny said the off the shelf replacement SSD's only have 2 true priority levels and the one included with the PS5 has 6 so there needs to be extra speed to make up for it or something like that. Plus that one he linked is $320 without the heatsink for a 2TB and $750 for a 4TB without a heatsink, I can't see someone spending that kind of money for just a little over 1 extra TB of internal storage when external options are so much larger and cheaper.

 

[Swede]

Oh come on! The specs weren't unveiled from any of the competitors until this year. How could Sony possibly copy anything let alone launch it? Heck, just based on what they currently have on the GPU alone absolutely destroys this assumption.

And what cooling solution? If you are talking about that patent, that thing is like 3 years old WHEN IT WAS FILED. At minimum, a patent takes 1 year to be granted. With that being the case, Sony obviously had the idea all alone IF they even decide to use that patent. People can't be this petrified.

Will you criticize Sony if $549?

 

[TeKPhaN]

I won't.

 

[Swede]

I won't.

Didn't imagine you would.

 

[karmakid]

Oh come on! The specs weren't unveiled from any of the competitors until this year. How could Sony possibly copy anything let alone launch it? Heck, just based on what they currently have on the GPU alone absolutely destroys this assumption.

And what cooling solution? If you are talking about that patent, that thing is like 3 years old WHEN IT WAS FILED. At minimum, a patent takes 1 year to be granted. With that being the case, Sony obviously had the idea all alone IF they even decide to use that patent. People can't be this petrified.

Actually a patent can be approved in as little as six months, and as long as three years

 

[JinCA]

If Sony prices higher it's because they can't afford the loss but I'm sure we'll see a ton of "arrogant Sony has returned" nonsense, there are already people trying to give MS credit for Sony's pricing if they go $399 digital and $499 standard even though those prices have been predicted and even "leaked" for a while. Bottom line is these are meant to be consumer products and they'll get it out at as low of a price as they can afford to so they can get their adoption rate up as quickly as possible. They aren't going to try to make $50-$100 profit on a console at launch but they also aren't likely going to be willing to lose more than $100 on a box either.

 

[Kvally]

You mean, PROPRIETARY NVMe PCI-E 4.0 technology doesn't come cheap. NON-PROPRIETARY PCI-E 4.0 NVMe SSD's aren't that expensive.

SABRENT 1TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive R/W 4700/1800 MB/s (SB-RKTQ4-1TB) - Newegg.com

Buy SABRENT 1TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Maximum Performance Solid State Drive R/W 4700/1800 MB/s (SB-RKTQ4-1TB) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

Sony’s solution is more expensive for the consumer sadly. Not to mention the Sony solution requires whitelisting and Sony certification.

I hope our Sony solution is plug and play.

 

[yankeessuck]

If Sony prices higher it's because they can't afford the loss but I'm sure we'll see a ton of "arrogant Sony has returned" nonsense, there are already people trying to give MS credit for Sony's pricing if they go $399 digital and $499 standard even though those prices have been predicted and even "leaked" for a while. Bottom line is these are meant to be consumer products and they'll get it out at as low of a price as they can afford to so they can get their adoption rate up as quickly as possible. They aren't going to try to make $50-$100 profit on a console at launch but they also aren't likely going to be willing to lose more than $100 on a box either.

They deserve criticism one way or the other. If its $600 they either think people will buy it no matter what or the cost to manufacture got way out of control and they have no choice which means they f***ed up.

People think of Sony like they are a bad day from going out of business. Sony can take same kind of losses Microsoft is taking.

 

[Swede]

Sony can take same kind of losses Microsoft is taking.

 

[Kvally]

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BAN! just kidding, everyone else is saying it....I just wanted to fit in....

 

[eVo7]

The PS5 won't be 600 dollars. They won't make that mistake twice. Especially not in the economy we are in now.

 

[Plainview]

$399 and $449 is my guess.

 

[yankeessuck]

 

[JinCA]

They deserve criticism one way or the other. If its $600 they either think people will buy it no matter what or the cost to manufacture got way out of control and they have no choice which means they f***ed up.

People think of Sony like they are a bad day from going out of business. Sony can take same kind of losses Microsoft is taking.

PlayStation is much more important to Sony's bottom line than Xbox is to Microsoft, if the people leading the way at Sony get too conservative they may not want to see big losses up front but we'll see. It's one thing to say they made a bad business decision it's another to call them "arrogant" because they don't want to take a huge loss on hardware if that ends up being the case. Arrogant would be putting out something like a 7TF machine and asking $600 for it and saying "well it's PlayStation"

 

[hrudey]

People think of Sony like they are a bad day from going out of business. Sony can take same kind of losses Microsoft is taking.

Yeah, I mean, MS has orders of magnitude more money and much more room to take losses but they're not doing something like Series X for $99 and series S for a duck lip selfie.

 

[yankeessuck]

PlayStation is much more important to Sony's bottom line than Xbox is to Microsoft, if the people leading the way at Sony get too conservative they may not want to see big losses up front but we'll see. It's one thing to say they made a bad business decision it's another to call them "arrogant" because they don't want to take a huge loss on hardware if that ends up being the case. Arrogant would be putting out something like a 7TF machine and asking $600 for it and saying "well it's PlayStation"

Well I would still say the same thing. If a $499 PS5 means big losses to the point where they can't do it they made huge mistakes. If losses are reasonable and they won't do it than yeah its arrogance because it would be coming from a belief that people would buy it regardless.

The weaker system can't be more expensive. Period.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Didn't imagine you would.

We will have options that are cheaper.

Sony can have a $499 and $599 sku.

 

[Pureshooter]

I think they go in at $399 and $499, which makes it very competitive with both of the MS SKUs.

Have we heard anything about their controller costs? I feel like that is the wild card here.

 

[Kvally]

I think they go in at $399 and $499, which makes it very competitive with both of the MS SKUs.

Have we heard anything about their controller costs? I feel like that is the wild card here.

I agree with $399 and $499. Lesser hardware should be less.

 

[TeKPhaN]

^wrong thread

 

[JinCA]

Well I would still say the same thing. If a $499 PS5 means big losses to the point where they can't do it they made huge mistakes. If losses are reasonable and they won't do it than yeah its arrogance because it would be coming from a belief that people would buy it regardless.

The weaker system can't be more expensive. Period.

It's barely weaker and it has advantages over the Series X in some ways , the money went to different areas but this thing likely cost right around the same ballpark to make as the Series X.

 

[JinCA]