Polygon: CoD: Ghosts. Say X1>PS4 version. VG PS4>X1.
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.... They are practically identical, one is just slightly further into the video. it is clear due to the near identical aliasing patterns in all the images, that both of the games are running at 720P. Accept it as proof or not, it won't change that what it is.
If they were both different resolution and different aliasing techniques (say 2xSMAA and 0xAA) then we would be seeing patterns that didn't exist in one at all, and appeared completely in a another.
Hahaha.... no, they don't. They care about value for their dollar, and only Sony zealots and PC elitists care about the minor spec differences between the consoles and the utterly trivial visual differences they produce (which that delta will only shrink over time).
Yes they do... the only people who seem to disagree are the hardcore Sony zealots. Are you a Sony zealot?
It's not nonsense at all, and of course the texture data is the same on both - the X1 version just looks sharper, giving the distinct impression that the textures actually are higher resolution. Chalk it up to PS4's poor scaling of 900p to 1080p, chalk it up to some post-processing effect on the X1 version to artificially sharpen the picture, or chalk it up to anything else you want - but the bottom line is the textures in one looks better/sharper, and it's the X1, not the P4 version... and ironically, this visual difference is more striking and more obvious than the resolution discrepancy.
Nope - not true. The majority of laymen who lay eyes on it like the X1 visuals better.
Time will tell... but I'd bet you're wrong. I'd bet people will see that the games look the same on both, but with one system they can do way more, integrate their TV into it, not worry about the typical frictions that plague gaming today which Kinect simply makes obsolete, and enjoy all their entertainment better, easier, and in a more streamlined way.
Sorry. ;-)
We'll see... so, no proof (check), and so far - all evidence points to the games looking the same (check).
Therefore, until we get more information - all the games look the same or negligibly different. No meaningful advantage in visual quality at all.
To argue otherwise is only to expose your bias.
Is price/performance not the same thing as value/dollar? What other variable are you substituting "value" with?
"Are you a Sony zealot?" Are you or have you ever been a communist? I own a 360, I have a nice PC with a GTX 680, I game on a nice monitor. I can tell the difference between visual quality easier than someone at a demo station with poor lighting, bad view distance, and limited time to play. Sorry if that makes those differences significant to me.
"Chalk it up to PS4's poor scaling" PS4 has a good hardware scaler. Yes, the picture is "artificially sharpened" with a filter. You can do the same thing by raising the contrast or sharpness levels on your TV. The textures data itself is not larger or more well defined.
"Nope - not true. The majority of laymen who lay eyes on it like the X1 visuals better." Watch this video where jackfrags says he asked other people at the review event who all agreed with him that the PS4 version looked better.
"no proof (check), and so far - all evidence points to the games looking the same (check)." Wrong. You're ignoring and downplaying the evidence, that doesn't make it disappear.
"Are you a Sony zealot?" Are you or have you ever been a communist? I own a 360, I have a nice PC with a GTX 680, I game on a nice monitor. I can tell the difference between visual quality easier than someone at a demo station with poor lighting, bad view distance, and limited time to play. Sorry if that makes those differences significant to me.
"Chalk it up to PS4's poor scaling" PS4 has a good hardware scaler. Yes, the picture is "artificially sharpened" with a filter. You can do the same thing by raising the contrast or sharpness levels on your TV. The textures data itself is not larger or more well defined.
"Nope - not true. The majority of laymen who lay eyes on it like the X1 visuals better." Watch this video where jackfrags says he asked other people at the review event who all agreed with him that the PS4 version looked better.
"no proof (check), and so far - all evidence points to the games looking the same (check)." Wrong. You're ignoring and downplaying the evidence, that doesn't make it disappear.
They look the same because they are running at the same resolution.
And others seem to agree with me on that. The PS4 version is not running at 1080P. Its running at 720P. Atleast according to B3D.
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1805244&postcount=3791
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1805253&postcount=3792
http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1805270&postcount=3796
Like I said, we'll see - but all we have so far shows that they look identical... and if that is due to a faulty comparison methodology, that'll be exposed and fixed in time...
...but if this is indeed true, then all it does is further show how hardened the Sony zealots are... because they've claimed that COD looks better on PS4... and if it's true that they were both running at 720p in this comparison, then that's very sad for them...
In any case, as I've already stated, nothing shows a meaningful difference between PS4 and X1 in terms of visuals, and whether or not the media we have is truly representative of the differences between the X1 version and the PS4 version - the reviewers seem divided. It's not a clear victory for PS4 regardless... and that's all that matters.
IGN seems to think that the PS4 version has a shaper image and overall better image quality. So it appears its a faulty capture imo.
Both consoles are going to have great looking multi platform games. The visual fidelity will be the same, even if the resolutions aren't. You're not missing out on anything as far as visuals are concerned for either console. Its going to come down to the surrounding features and benefits of every game that will tell the story ultimately and first party IP's, UI's etc. Not the Resolutions.
However, I will go on record and say that frame rates will without a doubt take priority over resolution every time come next gen in reviews. Thats something we all know.
Features, content, services, ease of use, gameplay, controller comfort, TV integration, etc., etc., etc... that's what most people care about, and where most people get value for the products they buy. Spec advantages which aren't realized with any meaningful delta aren't an advantage.
Exactly. You're in the vast, vast minority... and if you value specs, resolution, and minute differences between cross platform titles, then you should also know neither next gen console will compete with a well equipped PC... and the difference between a well equipped PC and either console is most certainly a much bigger delta than the difference between the console versions.
That's utterly false, as mentioned before:
http://123kinect.com/wp-content/upl...-PS4_XO-75-percent-quality-cont-adjust_01.jpg
You can't change settings on your TV to make the PS4 one look like that. It simply won't work.
Well, our non-scientific/anecdotal data differs. I've asked tons of people, and they (nearly all of them) immediately prefer the X1 visuals, and they nearly all say the same thing - the sharpness and the vibrancy... but I'll concede that we don't have enough data to demonstrably prove one way or the other.
You're overly sensitive to it, and playing up a difference which isn't meaningful at all.
Seriously - if this is the kind of difference we can expect in titles - I'm so not concerned in the least... and if COD is any indication, I'd take the lower resolution for better frame rate any day...
Don't judge these console on launch titles.
Consoles get judged by launch titles.
COD is now the graphic benchmark we're going to measure these consoles by?
Even further proof that going the PC route was a wise decision as these consoles are pathetically weak and MS & Sony better pray to god that Valve doesn't manage to get real nice deals from hardware manufacturers to get their hardware in living rooms so that a comparably powered SteamBox can be sold for the same or less cost. Because between a similarly powered console with Steam sales?
Yeah, MS and Sony are double f*cked.
No, it's not. In fact it's a terrible comparison.
For f*cks sake, watch totalbiscuits PC video (the one where he talks about not having used the "extra" setting at first). He shows off the HORRIBLE (even by XB360 standards) textures with some being even worse than PS2 (and that's no exaggeration at all).
But I get it, because that one game shows the XB1 being relatively similar to the PS4 it's "a good comparison".
Just exactly who do you think you're fooling here?
Wait till shots at the reso the game plays at are out, then we can talk differences, until then don't claim that theres no discerable difference.
I'm not.
OK, but that's not what I'm doing.
No, of course not.
Hahahaha... right.
Crap at 720p compared to crap at 1080p is a perfectly valid comparison.
irrelevant. Crap compared to crap is apples to apples comparison.
It's an apples to apples comparison, which (yes, of course) is a great comparison. Absolutely.
I hope no one, as fooling people isn't my cup of tea. Are you trying to fool people?
Until we have full res/direct feed shots - YOU can't claim there IS a difference, because none of the media we have so far shows any meaningful difference at all...
...and until we have media which shows otherwise, I'm perfectly in a rational and defendable position to say there's currently no meaningful difference. Not only is that opinion shared by several sites who've seen/played both, but it's also supported by 100% of the media we've seen so far. They're apples to apples virtually identical. There's no meaningful difference at all.
...so until YOU can prove that to be false, I'm perfectly in right standing to claim they look the same.
My contention is that the resolution difference hasn't provably shown to be a meaningfully advantageous in any way, and most laymen wouldn't notice or care.
So yes, you're right, because I'd also contend that a noticeably better/more consistent frame rate is not only more visibly apparent than a discrepancy in resolution, but it's also something which directly and meaningfully impacts gameplay. Better frame=better gameplay. Better resolution does not impact gameplay, unless the differences are more pronounced than two HD resolutions.
You can't prove they are the same either. You can't have a real stack with evidence in any position when there are no comparison shots. So you can't claim it either.
So BF4 is better on the PS4 then?.
Although some are pretty hardcore about the numbers in resolution they'd be wrong in thinking in the real world, that rez is going to be a selling point for Sony or Microsoft. There's simply to many other more important variables to consider when purchasing these consoles. Resolutions are very near the bottom of the totem pole.
Yep, totally agreed, Mcmasters.
Also, here's a pic from the comparisons of COD:
https://imageshack.com/i/f5d2t3j
Same thing as BF4. The X1 has more noticeable aliasing (though neither is without aliasing), and the textures look sharper in the X1.
What's with the PS4 versions of these games? Even if it's just a 'sharpening' post processing effect, it definitely makes the image looks crisper in the X1's favor, and the PS4 one just ends up looking blurry in comparison... and ironically, that kind of a difference would be more noticeable and more pronounced than the resolution difference to most folk.
Also, here's a pic from the comparisons of COD:
https://imageshack.com/i/f5d2t3j
Same thing as BF4. The X1 has more noticeable aliasing (though neither is without aliasing), and the textures look sharper in the X1.
What's with the PS4 versions of these games? Even if it's just a 'sharpening' post processing effect, it definitely makes the image looks crisper in the X1's favor, and the PS4 one just ends up looking blurry in comparison... and ironically, that kind of a difference would be more noticeable and more pronounced than the resolution difference to most folk.
"that's what most people care about" You can repeat "no meaningful difference" and "price/performance doesn't matter" as long as you like, but the metrics say otherwise.
Badly compressed youtube videos and suspect screenshots (from the same videos, I think) don't even provide a decent comparison yet. Those comparison screenshots and videos look suspect and anything on youtube is highly compressed. Wait for the DF or Gamersyde 60 FPS near-raw footage.
Are you seriously trying to compare badly compressed youtube video still frames? Oh boy.
The "sharper textures" was already dismissed in the BF4 footage comparison threads. Motion blur or a frame where a texture hadn't fully loaded is one of the reasons still shots aren't very good for comparisons. Also you can't see jaggies or mosaic patterns shifting/crawling across the screen in still shots.
You can also expect PS4 exclusives to look visually ahead, not just multiplats.
Badly compressed youtube videos and suspect screenshots (from the same videos, I think) don't even provide a decent comparison yet. Those comparison screenshots and videos look suspect and anything on youtube is highly compressed. Wait for the DF or Gamersyde 60 FPS near-raw footage.
Are you seriously trying to compare badly compressed youtube video still frames? Oh boy.
The "sharper textures" was already dismissed in the BF4 footage comparison threads. Motion blur or a frame where a texture hadn't fully loaded is one of the reasons still shots aren't very good for comparisons. Also you can't see jaggies or mosaic patterns shifting/crawling across the screen in still shots.
You can also expect PS4 exclusives to look visually ahead, not just multiplats.
Can you show us screens not taken from the video which has both games running at the same resolution?.
It's perfectly defendable to say that (on your view) there isn't enough data to properly show a visual delta, and that's why we're not seeing a visual delta... but it's just incorrect to suggest that there is a meaningful disparity in visual fidelity based on what we HAVE seen so far, because there isn't, and that's what the broad consensus is among non-elitist's who don't sit two feet from their 30" 1080p+ resolution monitors.
As for PS4's exclusives, Knack looks substantially worse than many cross platform titles, and Killzone 4 looks gorgeous, but so does Ryse... and I have no doubt both machines could equally approximate the same visuals we see in both games on either console.
Bottom line - you are in the vast, vast minority of people (those who recognize, or care about such a relatively trivial delta in visual fidelity)... the majority of gamers won't notice or care about HD vs "full" HD... they'll see both consoles rendering gorgeous imagery which is nearly identical in most cases, and negligibly different in others.
What they'll care about is one console has Halo and the other doesn't, or one console has Uncharted and the other doesn't. They'll care about hooking up their cable box, or they'll care about snapping apps, or they'll care about frictionless entertainment the way only Xbox 1 can deliver it... they'll care about gaming with their friends, they'll care about having MP services that run smoothly and transparently. They'll care about many, many things (king of which is content), but they most certainly will not notice or care about resolution differences between 720p, 900p, or 1080p. All are HD resolutions.
Your the one asserting they are the same, i am saying wait. You need to provide evidence not me.
Hahahaha... wrong.
I'm simply stating the fact that the media we have shows no difference, and I've proven that. It's in multiple videos, screenshots, and more.
You and consolewarz are the ones making assertions with very little evidence. You're asserting that the resolution difference is meaningful - but based on the media I've seen, that' assertion is false.
Therefore, it's absolutely on you to prove that the resolution makes a meaningful difference, and in order to do that - you're going to need media... and if *all* of the media we can pull from right now is flawed, then that's not my burden... it's yours. I'm simply stating the facts - currently, the media we have shows no meaningful difference... in fact, as the picture I posted shows, once again, X1's image actually looks sharper (jut like it did in BF4).
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