Polygon: CoD: Ghosts. Say X1>PS4 version. VG PS4>X1.

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Really? I seen the opposite said as well...what did your selective reading make you miss this?


Right....because I'm the one flat out saying people who have actually played the game must be 'moronic'......
I accept all posibilities. Not just the one that suits a particular agenda.
 
So basically...

XB1 version:
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PS4 version:
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f*** all Idle! I'd rather you stick to talking s*** rather contributing pictures of it. Eee-god! Phew!
 
Saying 1080p and 720p are virtually identical=moronic

Gonna have to agree with you here. Mostly a PC gamer, and the last thing I would do to maintain 60+ FPS is drop my monitor's (27") native resolution (1080p). I probably wouldn't even do that, I would just get a new graphic card before I drop resolution.
 
Just imagine when somebody checks your browsing history and sees high definition poop in your search engine.


LOL!

"Hey bro, before I die do me a favor?"
"Sure, anything for you, brother"
"Clear my internet history?"
"Sure, but why? Too much porn?"
"No, too much high def poop"
"..."



Seriously though, I just don't get why people are making a big deal about 720p vs. 1080p where it concerns this game. The developers are talentless hacks, even if they brought out a version in 1440p (which they did, on the PC) it would still look like dog sh!t warmed over, which is exactly what it looks like on ALL platforms.

That being the case of course the difference between 720 and 1080p are going to be minimal to the point of not being noticeable.

Wait until next year when games that are developed by people with some actual talent release their titles.


Let's say that next fall Bethesda releases Fallout 4 and they manage to get everything exactly the same on both consoles. They get the exact same effects, AA, AO, etc... but PS4 runs in 1080p native and the XB1 upscales, THEN and MAYBE then we'll really notice a difference.
 
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I bet when its discovered that the ps4 version is using listen servers(essentially p2p) for its mp, we will see a definite favor for the X1 version.

In Australia, where I live, MS has no Azure Data centers, won't until an unspecified date sometime in 2014 we;re told, so I'll have P2P on X1 if I was to buy.

COD is COD but if MS don't get some s*** happening for Titanfall (have you seen Titanfall?) then that will be lame.

Sure it's sunny in Australia, but we want some cloud too!
 
dude...I remember back in the day on teamxbox people used to argue that 720p looked better while moving....and there would be big threads about it....how fukin silly that seems now.....or does it..lol.

I'll tell you what is more silly.

When the claim that 720p > 1080p after an entire generation of TXB saying that the 360 was better than the PS3 because it had higher resolution multiplats and where the 360 versions were sharper and popped more. :D

I'm glad I kept my same world view at least. ;)
 
I'll tell you what is more silly.

When the claim that 720p > 1080p after an entire generation of TXB saying that the 360 was better than the PS3 because it had higher resolution multiplats and where the 360 versions were sharper and popped more. :D

I'm glad I kept my same world view at least. ;)
I agree...a game with 1080p is better than 720p.(all things being equal) How can you not think that. The fact that somehow xbox one has gone threw BF4 and CoD comparisons and there are people defending the xbox...is incredible.

But that does not mean just because a game is in 1080p that it beats out a game in 720p.(2 differant games)
 
Saying 1080p and 720p are virtually identical=moronic

I would have agreed, until I saw the comparisons of COD.

A good anti-aliased/upscaled 720p can easily look comparable and virtually identical to an aliased 1080p, as the comparisons have so far shown, and as mentioned by those who've done direct comparisons between the two.

I've been saying for quite some time that difference between 720p and 1080p (native) is meaningful, but after seeing the proof in COD, I'm no longer convinced. It's just not that big a deal/difference.
 
Really dude....so this stems from years of bad ps3 reviews.....let it out bro...we got you.
I'm pointing out hypocrisy and double standards, no need for childish flaming and trolling.

It's pretty sad how so many posters here hypocritically seized on small and rare framerate drops in a game to start celebrating and taunting. This after an entire generation of harping on tiny res, framerate, and IQ differences. Very transparent behavior.

Don't worry, PS4's minor and rare framerate drops will apparently be patched. Then that review will look even more hypocritical and blind than it already is.
 
I would have agreed, until I saw the comparisons of COD.

A good anti-aliased/upscaled 720p can easily look comparable and virtually identical to an aliased 1080p, as the comparisons have so far shown, and as mentioned by those who've done direct comparisons between the two.

I've been saying for quite some time that difference between 720p and 1080p (native) is meaningful, but after seeing the proof in COD, I'm no longer convinced. It's just not that big a deal/difference.

The images of COD are literally identical, something is going wrong. they are both 720P it seems, maybe the game outputs at 720P when the console is told to output at 720P.
 
I would have agreed, until I saw the comparisons of COD.

A good anti-aliased/upscaled 720p can easily look comparable and virtually identical to an aliased 1080p, as the comparisons have so far shown, and as mentioned by those who've done direct comparisons between the two.

I've been saying for quite some time that difference between 720p and 1080p (native) is meaningful, but after seeing the proof in COD, I'm no longer convinced. It's just not that big a deal/difference.

Yes because a game that looks like crap on all platforms including PC is the best one to base that judgment on :rolleyes:
 
Yes because a game that looks like crap on all platforms including PC is the best one to base that judgment on :rolleyes:

Yes, it's just as good as any for that kind of a comparison, actually.
 
The images of COD are literally identical, something is going wrong. they are both 720P it seems, maybe the game outputs at 720P when the console is told to output at 720P.

It's possible that all of the media that's been released so far is somehow flawed, but I'm buying both - so I'll know soon enough.

The point is, that so far we have yet to see any meaningful difference in real-world image quality in any of the cross platform games... and in fact, we do hear about more noticable benefits to the X1 versions (more stable performance in COD, sharper image in BF4/more vibrant picture, etc.) - so:

No one can argue that PS4 has a clear lead in visual quality.

Our only viable and defendable position is that the PS4's got a clear edge in resolution, but that benefit isn't a knock-down advantage, and in fact it seems to make very little difference. Other differences, like clearer texture quality in BF4, and higher performance in COD are easily the more noticeable differences between the two, and those favor the X1 versions.
 
I agree...a game with 1080p is better than 720p.(all things being equal) How can you not think that. The fact that somehow xbox one has gone threw BF4 and CoD comparisons and there are people defending the xbox...is incredible.

But that does not mean just because a game is in 1080p that it beats out a game in 720p.(2 differant games)

Agreed with both points, but people make the ridiculous claim for the same game.

I kind of understand why people post that viewing distance picture now.
 
It's possible that all of the media that's been released so far is somehow flawed, but I'm buying both - so I'll know soon enough.

The point is, that so far we have yet to see any meaningful difference in real-world image quality in any of the cross platform games... and in fact, we do hear about more noticable benefits to the X1 versions (more stable performance in COD, sharper image in BF4/more vibrant picture, etc.) - so:

No one can argue that PS4 has a clear lead in visual quality.

Our only viable and defendable position is that the PS4's got a clear edge in resolution, but that benefit isn't a knock-down advantage, and in fact it seems to make very little difference. Other differences, like clearer texture quality in BF4, and higher performance in COD are easily the more noticeable differences between the two, and those favor the X1 versions.

I can't agree with any of this, we should wait for the games to be out and patches applied to make a comparison, the BF4 comparison for flawed and it seems so was this in at least some way. Assert that the XB1 performance in COD is more stable, and recognise the PS4 performance in BF4 is more stable, and we can agree on something wrt to the pre patched games maybe.
 
No one can argue that PS4 has a clear lead in visual quality.

Our only viable and defendable position is that the PS4's got a clear edge in resolution, but that benefit isn't a knock-down advantage, and in fact it seems to make very little difference. Other differences, like clearer texture quality in BF4, and higher performance in COD are easily the more noticeable differences between the two, and those favor the X1 versions.
No. It doesn't have to be resolution. That ~50% power could be put towards framerate or IQ. Also GPGPU customizations.

There is no 'clearer texture quality' in BF4. Some devs are adding contrast/sharpness filters to their games to make them look better than they are. You can get the same "clear texture quality" on PS4 or PC by fiddling with your TV. That is straight up misinformation.

Watching the 2GB BF4 60 FPS footage files in motion, the difference is easy to spot. Peeping at still shots does not tell the whole story. Most people will notice the difference between 720 and 900 or 1080 when they see the larger jaggies and mosaic patterns in motion. The problem is there isn't a lot of 60 FPS footage of games yet.

Somehow we went from PS3/360 comparisons where a tiny resolution and framerate difference meant a clear winner, now suddenly far greater differences are irrelevant and "virtually indistinguishable." Hypocritical and unreasonable.

CoD on PS4's minor and rare framerate drops will be patched according to giantbomb. Problem solved.
 
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I sometimes wonder if some people have an issue with their vision and can't see quality or if they're sitting too far away to understand what FHD actually looks like.

Someone make a Hitler YT video to express this lol.
 
I'm pointing out hypocrisy and double standards, no need for childish flaming and trolling.

It's pretty sad how so many posters here hypocritically seized on small and rare framerate drops in a game to start celebrating and taunting. This after an entire generation of harping on tiny res, framerate, and IQ differences. Very transparent behavior.

Don't worry, PS4's minor and rare framerate drops will apparently be patched. Then that review will look even more hypocritical and blind than it already is.


First...I don't think what I said was so bad to warrant such a response but if it was I apoligize. Second, you never see me in a ps4 thread bashing the ps4 or bringing up the xbox ever....but I see you in the xbox threads all day long....so most of what is said to you on this forum has been brought on by yourself.
 
First...I don't think what I said was so bad to warrant such a response but if it was I apoligize. Second, you never see me in a ps4 thread bashing the ps4 or bringing up the xbox ever....but I see you in the xbox threads all day long....so most of what is said to you on this forum has been brought on by yourself.
I've never "bashed the xbox". I've had plenty of good things to say about it and Xbox games, and I've had criticism of PS4 games/Sony's decisions as well. I own a 360 and I've enjoyed games on it. I don't call people fanboys or celebrate other console's misfortunes, unlike many other posters here.

Once again, people ignoring everything good I've ever said while laser focusing on any sort of criticism, making false accusations, and blaming me for being the recipient of personal attacks.
 
No. It doesn't have to be resolution. That ~50% power could be put towards framerate or IQ. And added GPGPU customization.

Indeed, but even if it's not - the point is that the difference in visual quality is negligible. Exclusives on both look great, and multi-plat games look the same with no meaningful differences... and that'll be the story this whole gen. We'll never see anything on one which clearly trumps what the other is capable of... and that's obviously a big win for Microsoft, and very unfortunate for Sony.

There is no 'clearer texture quality' in BF4. Some devs are adding contrast/sharpness filters to their games to make them look better than they are. You can get the same "clear texture quality" on PS4 or PC by fiddling with your monitor. That is straight up misinformation.

This is actually provably false. You cannot get the added visual clarity illustrated on the X1 version that you get on X1. Regardless of how it's achieved, the point is that it looks visibly sharper, and I'm not alone in saying that. Everyone who sees the comparisons says they notice the X1 version looks better due to vibrancy (something which can be simulated with TV adjustments), and due to a sharper image on X1 (not able to reproduce with monitor settings.

Watching the 2GB BF4 60 FPS footage files in motion, the difference is easy to spot. Peeping at still shots does not tell the whole story. Most people will notice the difference between 720 and 900 or 1080 when they see the larger jaggies and mosaic patterns in motion. The problem is there isn't a lot of 60 FPS footage of games yet.

This is also debatable, and I'd disagree. I've seen the footage you keep pointing back to, and the difference is not meaningful. It just isn't. There's more noticeable aliasing on the X1, but there's also a sharper image on X1 and more vibrant coloring. Regardless of how it's achieved, or whether or not you can approximate the PS4 version to look more like the X1 - most laymen prefer the X1. That tells me the resolution means nothing. It's meaningless. There's just not an important, or meaningful edge.

Somehow we went from PS3/360 comparisons where a tiny resolution and framerate difference meant a clear winner, now suddenly differences far greater are irrelevant and "virtually indistinguishable." Hypocritical and unreasonable.

This is also false. Only the rabid fanbots and those with clouded judgment ever made a big deal out of the differences between X360 and PS3. They were (for all intents and purposes) identical. The hardware was a wash (always was, always has been). These differences (both last gen and this new gen) are all the same... it's the corest of the core making pitiful comparisons which are meaningless to any normal person.

CoD on PS4's minor and rare framerate drops will be patched according to giantbomb. Problem solved.
Hahaha .... yeah, we'll see... but right now - its not solved. I'm only going off of what's actually been released, and what's actually measurable/quantifiable/provable - and right now, all the facts say the same thing:

PS4 has a technical edge in terms of raw specs, but that edge is meaningless, and not a differentiator. The feature and services, on the other hand, are most certainly meaningful and differentiating... those matter... and the X1 clearly wins against PS4 on those levels, at least at launch, and I'm confident that'll be a trend this gen as it was last.
 
Polygon reviewed the PS4 game at 720P, it runs at twice what they played it at. Lets way for a comparison that representative of the final game.
 
Polygon reviewed the PS4 game at 720P, it runs at twice what they played it at. Lets way for a comparison that representative of the final game.

Where's your proof/confirmation of this assertion?
 
I can't agree with any of this, we should wait for the games to be out and patches applied to make a comparison, the BF4 comparison for flawed and it seems so was this in at least some way. Assert that the XB1 performance in COD is more stable, and recognise the PS4 performance in BF4 is more stable, and we can agree on something wrt to the pre patched games maybe.

Nothing you're saying is in any way contrary to what I'm saying.

You're saying, "we should wait before making a final comparison"

I'm saying, "everything we have so far says the differences aren't meaningful in terms of visual fidelity" - but it could very well be after patches (on both sides) that something changes... but that's not the point.

The point is, what we have today shows no meaningful advantage for PS4 cross platform games, and none of PS4's exclusives eclipse X1's exclusives in terms of visual fidelity (based on what's been shown).

So I agree - we should wait - but if you're willing to wait for patches, then you should also be willing to wait for several years into the lifecycles of these consoles to make any conclusive claims. All the evidence we have today suggests development environment was further behind Sony's, and Microsoft's hardware solution has more specialized utilization required for optimal performance... which means the delta in graphical performance we see today will shrink.
 
"the difference in visual quality is negligible" It isn't to me and the majority of gamers who seem to care about price/performance.

"multi-plat games look the same" No they don't.

"This is actually provably false." Texture data is the same on both versions. Sharpness/contrast/brightness filters and DF botching the HDMI black levels does not change that. I thought we were done with the "BF4 has sharper more vibrant textures" nonsense?

The mosaic patterns on roof tiles, metal grates, and any finely defined textures looked much worse on the XB1 version of BF4, they were virtually non-existent at 900p. I found them pretty distracting. The PS4 version runs at a higher avg framerate despite being a higher res, and has more IQ.

"Everyone who sees the comparisons says they notice the X1 version looks better" False. MOST people who saw BF4 at the footage recording event thought the PS4 version looked better. That includes long time BF vets like jackfrags.

You can say "it's not meaningful or important!" to yourself all you want, most people will walk right by you and buy the cheaper, more powerful system. Sorry.
 
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