Project Scorpio v3.0
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A lot of the time the code names are better than the official names chosen for the final product, nothing wrong with keeping it scorpio.
I'm just saying that typically before new hardware comes out, you see pieces like this. Fluff with no real substance. It's not a big deal either way.
I'm not disagreeing with you. Just curious why it's bothersome.
I'm pretty sure 343 said they wouldn't be updating Halo 5 for Scorpio. Though it should look great running at full res. likely 100% of the time.
Lol, who said launch UHD BD players? Wow, man. Let's not keep moving the goal posts, please. I said anything with a powerful enough chip could run Dolby Vision, not just something using their proprietary chip. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE STATING! Even TVs can be updated! You can't even just except it and say you were wrong, can you? How do you figure Xbox One S couldn't get an update? I mean, it's just a SOFTWARE update away. That is what this article states. They specifically said they would update consoles, and even mentioned PS4 doing HDR through software as a sign that Dolby Vision could be done. (DV only requires HDMI 1.4) How on earth is out not possible on Xbox One S, with HDMI 2.0?
Nevermind, I will call you out when both Scorpio and S model get Dolby Vision and you will tell me that isn't what you meant.
Yeah, it will be beautiful. I've had a ton of fun playing the PS4 Pro modes on games where I was extremely familiar with the base version, and games are going to look and perform even better on Scorpio. It's going to be awesome, particularly for some of these exclusives that were already great looking to begin with. Gives you a great excuse to return to some games you already own.
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this guy...
it was originally said that unplanned uhdbr players(xbos/launch) won't get DV.You hilariously been trying to state otherwise even going as far as posting models that had planned updates stated in there specifications were getting updates as proof any model could get it. Lol
I will sit here and not see stuff like Xbos and launch uhdbr players get Dolby Vision and you will continue to think it could happen.
My games sound great through my soundbar. I know it is some type of simulated surround sound but no idea the name. When I really want "immersive" I put on these Xbox surround wireless (well the wire to the controller) headphones my kid got me that have some type of built-in surround simulator and they do a wonderful job of putting objects spatially around me.
Point is, this talk about Dolby Vision over whatever is like arguing the difference between 4K and 4K checkerboarding...I reckon there is a difference, just not one most of us can see or in this case hear.
Point is, this talk about Dolby Vision over whatever is like arguing the difference between 4K and 4K checkerboarding...I reckon there is a difference, just not one most of us can see or in this case hear.
https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Project-Scorpio/productID.5075863100
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See what I mean?!???
I thought Dolby was sound. So they add Vision and now its graphics? WTF is it???
"on paper" the very best HDR solutionSee what I mean?!???
I thought Dolby was sound. So they add Vision and now its graphics? WTF is it???
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The main difference between Dolby Vision and HDR10 though, is the colour depth and brightness the content and equipment is capable of achieving. Dolby Vision content is mastered in up to 12-bit colour depth, compared to 10-bit of HDR10 (which is where HDR10 gets its name from). You may be wondering, what difference could 12-bit over 10-bit possibly make? Well, 12-bit colour depth gives access to over 68 billion colours, compared to just 1 billion with 10-bit. This means the colours you see from Dolby Vision films and on compatible TVs are going to be far more accurate and as the director intended.
I want the uhdbr of the Scorpio to support it as Sony dropped the ball in this area and if it gets dv...it will be very appealing to me.
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Dude, I just posted am article that had representative from Dolby themselves, specifically stating that they are releasing a SOFTWARE version of Dolby Vision (without their proprietary chipset) in which they state previous BD players, CONSOLES, and even HDTVs made without original DV support, can be updated to include the DV standard. I even quoted where they said that.this guy...
You hilariously been trying to state otherwise even going as far as posting models that had planned updates stated in there specifications were getting updates as proof any model could get it. Lol
I will sit here and not see stuff like Xbos and launch uhdbr players get Dolby Vision and you will continue to think it could happen.
I don't know how else to say you are wrong, but it would be a lot easier, if you'd just except it and move on. You yourself, are a big proponent of DV. How is this not a good thing?
It's not bothersome, just a silly thing to write about IMO that's all, it's not like it ruins my day lol.
The software version likely won't be able to accomplish what something with the actual hardware in it can do. If the required hardware for DV certification was 12bit color it doesn't seem possible for that to be accomplished through software if the thing you are updating is still limited by it's own hardware to 10bit max. It seems more like it's just a way to get them to say the thing has Dolby Vision by coming up with a compromised version of it. That's all going with the assumption that anything that didn't already have the required hardware in it before that but went unused due to not wanting to pay licensing fees actually gets updated.
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I assume the software solution aspect is to emulate the dynamic aspect of it? I wonder how they'll pull that off without too much latency. That would be perfectly fine for movies, but I'm not sure if it would work so well for games.
I wonder how much HDR10 on a proper set with good dynamic local dimming can compare to Dolby Vision. Combine that with most movies not actually being mastered anywhere near the max nit level, and most TV's not even being capable of reaching the bottom base minimum HDR10 spec.. I wonder how much of a difference we will actually see on a set like that.
I wonder how much HDR10 on a proper set with good dynamic local dimming can compare to Dolby Vision. Combine that with most movies not actually being mastered anywhere near the max nit level, and most TV's not even being capable of reaching the bottom base minimum HDR10 spec.. I wonder how much of a difference we will actually see on a set like that.
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Lol had to laugh just 1 billion colours sounds funny. Seriously though Val I'm asking could the human eye even pick up a difference on rival sets with everything else being equal? Like "oh yeah I can definitely count more colours on the display to the left." Really?
In filming movies I understand the accuracy to what was filmed since you're recording scenes but I don't know what the colour depth the developers work to. I find it hard to believe the number to be over a billion.
That's your assumption. They said nothing of a compromised version of Dolby Vision, so assuming such is pure speculation without any proof or even reason. There is already a stripped down version... It's called HDR10. Why would any chip capable of processing, not be able to do the same thing? Let's not start speculating that it's any different than the hardware version please.
If a TV has a 10 bit panel (which the vast majority of HDR sets do) how are you going to get the 12 bit color required for DV? I gave you a reason why I think that could be what they are doing, if you don't like it that's fine but don't act like I just threw that out there without any thoughts to back it up. I could be wrong, it just does seem strange that all this time it required hardware to be added to the machines but now all of the sudden the same thing can be done in software yet most machines that don't already feature DV certification likely aren't capable of displaying 12bit color anyway.
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I reall believe MS should include the Elite controller in the Scorpio package. Once you get hardcore gamers used to it, they're going to struggle wanting to play multiplats with anything else. I know it's the primary reason I wouldn't buy any multiplat on my PS Pro right now.
Well, that is still hypothetical. TV displays are really not even what we were talking about, man. You guys keep conflating this. I wouldn't imagine that many TVs would even be upgradable. We were talking about consoles. I said in no way does a console need a secondary encode chip. Do you think the Xbox One S can't encode a Dolby Vision signal before output? We aren't talking about rocket science here. Nothing did it before, because they didn't have a SOFTWARE version. Now they state not only do they have a SOFTWARE version, but existing consoles will be able to use the update. I think Xbox One and PS4 can both handle the encode just fine.
If they had a 10-bit version of Dolby Vision, they will have completely effed up royally. It defeats the entire point of DV. To say that this is possibly actually a thing, is to really turn this into speculation for no reason.
And how many tvs even support 12 bit? We are having trouble getting enough 10 bit s***!
Maybe? It's not that it will show a 1billion colors, but that it has that available. Again, having all those colors has a huge effect on killing color banding. You should check out the difference in Forza Horizon 3 with and without HDR. It's significant. Not to mention peak brightness. That also affects the expression of said color.
We are getting into diminishing return territory, but I still think there is a meaningful difference. Stepping up to HDR is very noticeable when it's not there. Watching movies in the theater is pretty brutal now. The color and clarity can't match what I have at home.
From what I gathered, DV supports a higher peak brightness, but no tv can do it yet. For me that makes it a non factor. My tv cant go there so I couldn't care less about DV. That and HDR 10 is far more supported. It HDR 10 supports a wider range of PB anyway.
Wouldn't that make the price a bit too high? I know it's meant to be targeted at "higher end" consumers but that controller would be a pretty expensive thing to include in the box wouldn't it? it costs more to buy now than a Kinect does by like $50.00 and Kinect caused the X1 to come out at $500.
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