Project Scorpio v4.0
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I am still in shock that people are thinking that XBOX SCORPIO will be a total bust. What is wrong with these people? You have the PS4 Pro slim coming and people can't be pissed about that for those who just got the PRO like my self?
There is something wrong with these media online, it's almost like an illness or something. I also think people are expecting far more than what MS saying what it can do. One thing that sucks that even if the machine can do everything there I going to be that one developer that won't show what it can do and blame the system. That is all it need for MS to fall apart.
I have that feeling that they are going to be ready to rip Microsoft apart again no matter how right they do it. I think the writing is on the wall just by what I am seeing.
There is something wrong with these media online, it's almost like an illness or something. I also think people are expecting far more than what MS saying what it can do. One thing that sucks that even if the machine can do everything there I going to be that one developer that won't show what it can do and blame the system. That is all it need for MS to fall apart.
I have that feeling that they are going to be ready to rip Microsoft apart again no matter how right they do it. I think the writing is on the wall just by what I am seeing.
That's bc some ppl are so envious. They simply won't accept that we soon are getting the most powerful console ever.
For the real players
Envious people. Let's face it if the Scorpio is a success a lot of these so called gaming journalists, YouTube personalities are out of a job. They've based their entire careers on s*** piling Xbox for a while now.
Finally some juicy, juicy rumors! I'm totally tripping bear-balls right now.
Google translated of course!
http://projectxbox.it/2017/03/28/in...i-dettagli-tecnici-svelati-e-annuncio-pre-e3/
In-Depth Xbox Scorpio: the console will be sold in two versions and will be available from November 22, 2017, disclosed new technical details and pre E3 announcement
The X Rays on March 28, 2017
After a period of silence, finally begin to leak new information from the headquarters of Microsoft on the Xbox side. This year, security is at the highest level and we want to avoid any leakage of the news before the official reveal of the console.
Mouths sewn, at most surveillance and planning are the three factors that are moving the Xbox division, all "normal" if we think that 2017 will be the year of the Scorpion, or rather, Project Scorpio.
As the most knowledgeable of you know, later this year will come the new console from Microsoft, a beautiful little creature that wants to forget the problems we had with the launch of Xbox One.
For this reason the division "video games" the software giant intends to set up better what will be the presentation of Scorpio, taking care of the smallest detail communication, marketing and, of course, the fun aspect of the new machine.
This article, therefore, will focus on the latest information that I was able to find about Project Scorpio, plus some new info from my tipster Tom, a source which has proved to be very reliable to date.
And just three days ago Yusuf Mehdi has posted on his LinkedIn profile a "handbook" that is reflected with the old words of Tom transcribed, almost a year ago :
"I've heard that Spencer and the entire team wants to leave as soon as possible for the one spot he had with the old leadership, as if to mean a" leave here as it was a year zero for us and for the Xbox, "they were not kidding, also hence the decision to end the production of Xbox 360 to focus on the new model, "Tom May 2, 2016.
If you read the Yusuf-thought you can find a confirmation of how the team is focused on Scorpio hoping to "turn" the page and some cryptic phrases him testify.
What Tom had heard from Spencer was incorrect, as it had corrected the arrival of Scorpio for this year (referring to Tom not before spring 2017) and of the incredible power that will move the console (at the time there was talk of 10TFLOPS, given just some minutes from 6 TFLOPS announced officially by Microsoft in June of 2016 and not so far away if we think of Scorpio as a hardware "closed").
On what will still have Tom right? I'll ask him directly, but first I wanted to share with you the nature of information "General."
First, and this is something in the air for a few days, Scorpio Project will be presented before E3 2017 through a dedicated event. Microsoft, in the time of writing, still has not decided the place and date, even if the latest rumors should be in a period from mid-May to the week before the event in Los Angeles.
Similarly to what happened with Xbox One, Scorpio will be presented in the company's campus with calls to release that will be sent in late April.
The show will be the appearance of the console, so its shape and colors, and is the technical aspect with different slide on the potential and hardware features.
The lineup has not yet been decided, with Microsoft is preparing two, one for the reveal of Scorpio and for E3 2017, a considerable work that has to punctuate well the various ads without interposing things.
On the show dedicated to Scorpio will be announced all the titles that will be "optimized" for the new car and that will see the arrival of day-one patch: These are all the titles produced by the first party (Halo 5, various Forza, Gears 4, etc.) over various third party games that will enjoy various tweaks (Fallout 4, Battlefield 1 etc.).
What will these patches? Increased resolution and frame rates in most of the time, increase of assets in securities selected graphics (like Gears of War 4) "ready" for the upgrade of Scorpio. The trend, however, the simpler and less "complex", will be the increase in pixels and frame.
These games will be republished with the patch already integrated (for those who buy them new course) and the covers will be reviewed for a second time: the upper stamps will generally be three, with the first to certify whether the game line-up Xbox 360 will be backward compatible (even Scorpio will allow the Xbox 360 ...) using the games, the second if it is a native game for Xbox one and, finally, the third edition of the report "enhanced" for Scorpio.
For example on the cover of Gears of War 4 will be the Xbox One logo that what "enhanced" Scorpio.
Returning to reveal Scorpio the conference will last for an hour or so poor but they are not presented new games except those present with improved graphics. Probably the presence of some demos with Virtual Reality (VR Fallout 4?). The release of the new Xbox is scheduled for November 22, 2017.
Project Scorpio will be sold in two versions, one with a cutting from 1 terabyte of hard disk drives, at $ 449 / EUR, and with a cut of 2 terabytes of hard disk at $ 549 / EUR. Prices have not yet been fixed but the oscillations should cover no more than 30 dollars / euro by model. Do not expect solid state hard drives (SSD) and neither hybrids, are classic mechanical disks 2.5 "Sata 3.
Scorpio will not be sold under the pad Elite, but with a pad picks up the color of the console but will have factory form "traditional." Elite controllers will see a second revision, with the new model that will boast support for Bluetooth and Wi-Fi range improved. $ 149 / € The price of the new Elite controllers, while the current will be cut to fifty dollars / euro and will cost $ 99 / €.
Project Scorpio you can pre-order from ... Sunday, June 11, 2017, at the end of Microsoft's E3 conference. All-rehearsed.
A nod to the then Italian division of Xbox: the investments will be higher, promotions (some already in place) doubled and there will be more coverage of advertising, exhibition spaces and upgrading of social channels. All in the name of Scorpio with Xbox Italy that will do the lion's share. An image revival, a revival of the Xbox brand here in the Bel Paese.Microsoft is confident in Project Scorpio and euphoria reigns in all branches, including Italy.
After this feast of news, we now turn to the conversation I had with my Tom source, made last weekend:
X-Rays: Hello dear, it's a good deal 'that you do not feel, and when you feel it is because you have good news to tell me.
Tom: I confirm!
X-Rays: I will not make the same old technical questions, the last time you told me that Microsoft would end around February sent the first of Scorpio development kit. I think you were right, at least reading the tweets of an editor of Windows Central. What can you tell me about?
Tom: Yes, it is true, the distribution of the first kits took place in late February and covered the most important software companies. This is not definitive kit, those will come in the summer, but it was a key step for the first approach to the console. Only this summer can be developed natively on the new hardware, the actual kit used to ease the burden on dev willing to optimize existing games for Xbox One Scorpio. They are used to send the current production at 4K and 60 fps, but they are tools that relate to the porting and not the direct development of the Scorpio metal. Only the first party will have access at the moment.
X-Rays: Why this choice?
Tom: Microsoft wants to avoid leak from development kits to the presentation, a misdirection move if we want, but we already do understand the hardware lift. And then there are still factors at stake not definitive about the hardware. Will these intense weeks since then mark the production of the console, which will take place between April and early May. For this reason, the kits are not yet even complete.
X-Rays: To factors at stake do you mean?
Tom: The RAM in the first place. If you remember the original plan was to use GDDR5X. But hardware that guarantees you the 4K 60fps and the coast and every component, even with gap of a few dollars, can greatly affect the final cost of the product. 12 GB GDDR5 will instead be the final setup. The 320 (and switches) GB / sec get them with 384-bit interface of these memories. 12 chip 1 GB each. Over one or two GB for the operation of the console in stand-by mode and for some operations that the OS must be allocated to ensure multitasking. But the pool will be one for games and cover well 9-10GB of GDDR5 memory.
X-Rays: I understand, and I do not believe that then there will be some kind of difference.Strengthen me that cone does not "downgrade." ALREADY you made me make a fool with the history of 10TFLOPS!
Tom: Look good, the announcement was well chosen, the period also give out, on TFLOPS have been corrected by 63% (laughs). I confirm that the console will deliver 6.3 TFLOPS of GPU power side. I repeat again, maybe your fans will understand: in May of 2016, I heard of a power close to 10TFLOPS, it was still in the stages of "discussion" of a project that, among other things, is complete for a 80% today. It was a theoretical figure that then does not differ much from what will be able to make XBOX.
X-Rays: XBOX all caps?
Tom: Xbox, so it will be called.
X-Rays: somebody talked about Xbox One X ...
Tom: Xbox, Xbox, is always an Xbox, will be part of an ecosystem of Xbox One. The name I have no information, I'm sorry.
X-Rays: Ok ... Vega and Ryzen? They are fine?
Tom: Inside Scorpio are great, both of us, is that Zen Vega. What do you want to know?
X-Rays: What Scorpio not using Jaguar or Puma, or Polaris overclocked ...
Tom: But if it's from E3 2016, and even before I tell you that the two new technologies move Scorpio ... what are you afraid?
X-Rays: What have you read it wrong, you misinformed, or are you kidding me?
Tom: Hey X, Scorpio will be a beast, they say so, they say the technical data. Data that if you want them to run on Jaguar and Polaris get a heater for the winter. A similar power also needs two important values: dissipation and energy saving. With 6.3 TFLOPS of power, support for virtual reality, the nativity to 4K streaming of games and you can reach them on the console only if the hardware is powerful, balanced, not exorbitant in terms of consumption and not too hot. Zen and Vega are in Scorpio, not in desktop form (it's still a console) but in their custom design.
Tom: I reiterate that the Scorpio SoC (system on chip) has nothing to do with the old technologies, it will be native DirectX 1 and Shader Model 6, a SoC designed precisely around Vega for the GPU and Zen-Ryzen for the CPU. I repeat: not the small category Desktop solutions, but just a microsoft design created together with AMD to benefit from the latest technological products. We do not even speak of notebook configurations for Scorpio, but a completely new APU, that is not around on the PC being of type custom.
Tom: Of course not talking about top range, the speech "be a console" is still valid, but it is a really powerful chipset, and who has got to have the first info seems to be in agreement with this.
X-Rays: It is the COO of Gamestop and some like dev Monolith confirmed.
Tom: Of course we will meet in front of some hybrid solution, then to the CPU for example will find a mix of instructions from architecture Puma and Zen fused together, the same goes for the GPU with a mix of Polaris and Vega architectures, although the breaking will be present to a greater extent.
X-Rays: For more detailed technical data, we refer to those of a month and a half ago?
Cont'd
Google translated of course!
http://projectxbox.it/2017/03/28/in...i-dettagli-tecnici-svelati-e-annuncio-pre-e3/
In-Depth Xbox Scorpio: the console will be sold in two versions and will be available from November 22, 2017, disclosed new technical details and pre E3 announcement
The X Rays on March 28, 2017
After a period of silence, finally begin to leak new information from the headquarters of Microsoft on the Xbox side. This year, security is at the highest level and we want to avoid any leakage of the news before the official reveal of the console.
Mouths sewn, at most surveillance and planning are the three factors that are moving the Xbox division, all "normal" if we think that 2017 will be the year of the Scorpion, or rather, Project Scorpio.
As the most knowledgeable of you know, later this year will come the new console from Microsoft, a beautiful little creature that wants to forget the problems we had with the launch of Xbox One.
For this reason the division "video games" the software giant intends to set up better what will be the presentation of Scorpio, taking care of the smallest detail communication, marketing and, of course, the fun aspect of the new machine.
This article, therefore, will focus on the latest information that I was able to find about Project Scorpio, plus some new info from my tipster Tom, a source which has proved to be very reliable to date.
And just three days ago Yusuf Mehdi has posted on his LinkedIn profile a "handbook" that is reflected with the old words of Tom transcribed, almost a year ago :
"I've heard that Spencer and the entire team wants to leave as soon as possible for the one spot he had with the old leadership, as if to mean a" leave here as it was a year zero for us and for the Xbox, "they were not kidding, also hence the decision to end the production of Xbox 360 to focus on the new model, "Tom May 2, 2016.
If you read the Yusuf-thought you can find a confirmation of how the team is focused on Scorpio hoping to "turn" the page and some cryptic phrases him testify.
What Tom had heard from Spencer was incorrect, as it had corrected the arrival of Scorpio for this year (referring to Tom not before spring 2017) and of the incredible power that will move the console (at the time there was talk of 10TFLOPS, given just some minutes from 6 TFLOPS announced officially by Microsoft in June of 2016 and not so far away if we think of Scorpio as a hardware "closed").
On what will still have Tom right? I'll ask him directly, but first I wanted to share with you the nature of information "General."
First, and this is something in the air for a few days, Scorpio Project will be presented before E3 2017 through a dedicated event. Microsoft, in the time of writing, still has not decided the place and date, even if the latest rumors should be in a period from mid-May to the week before the event in Los Angeles.
Similarly to what happened with Xbox One, Scorpio will be presented in the company's campus with calls to release that will be sent in late April.
The show will be the appearance of the console, so its shape and colors, and is the technical aspect with different slide on the potential and hardware features.
The lineup has not yet been decided, with Microsoft is preparing two, one for the reveal of Scorpio and for E3 2017, a considerable work that has to punctuate well the various ads without interposing things.
On the show dedicated to Scorpio will be announced all the titles that will be "optimized" for the new car and that will see the arrival of day-one patch: These are all the titles produced by the first party (Halo 5, various Forza, Gears 4, etc.) over various third party games that will enjoy various tweaks (Fallout 4, Battlefield 1 etc.).
What will these patches? Increased resolution and frame rates in most of the time, increase of assets in securities selected graphics (like Gears of War 4) "ready" for the upgrade of Scorpio. The trend, however, the simpler and less "complex", will be the increase in pixels and frame.
These games will be republished with the patch already integrated (for those who buy them new course) and the covers will be reviewed for a second time: the upper stamps will generally be three, with the first to certify whether the game line-up Xbox 360 will be backward compatible (even Scorpio will allow the Xbox 360 ...) using the games, the second if it is a native game for Xbox one and, finally, the third edition of the report "enhanced" for Scorpio.
For example on the cover of Gears of War 4 will be the Xbox One logo that what "enhanced" Scorpio.
Returning to reveal Scorpio the conference will last for an hour or so poor but they are not presented new games except those present with improved graphics. Probably the presence of some demos with Virtual Reality (VR Fallout 4?). The release of the new Xbox is scheduled for November 22, 2017.
Project Scorpio will be sold in two versions, one with a cutting from 1 terabyte of hard disk drives, at $ 449 / EUR, and with a cut of 2 terabytes of hard disk at $ 549 / EUR. Prices have not yet been fixed but the oscillations should cover no more than 30 dollars / euro by model. Do not expect solid state hard drives (SSD) and neither hybrids, are classic mechanical disks 2.5 "Sata 3.
Scorpio will not be sold under the pad Elite, but with a pad picks up the color of the console but will have factory form "traditional." Elite controllers will see a second revision, with the new model that will boast support for Bluetooth and Wi-Fi range improved. $ 149 / € The price of the new Elite controllers, while the current will be cut to fifty dollars / euro and will cost $ 99 / €.
Project Scorpio you can pre-order from ... Sunday, June 11, 2017, at the end of Microsoft's E3 conference. All-rehearsed.
A nod to the then Italian division of Xbox: the investments will be higher, promotions (some already in place) doubled and there will be more coverage of advertising, exhibition spaces and upgrading of social channels. All in the name of Scorpio with Xbox Italy that will do the lion's share. An image revival, a revival of the Xbox brand here in the Bel Paese.Microsoft is confident in Project Scorpio and euphoria reigns in all branches, including Italy.
After this feast of news, we now turn to the conversation I had with my Tom source, made last weekend:
X-Rays: Hello dear, it's a good deal 'that you do not feel, and when you feel it is because you have good news to tell me.
Tom: I confirm!
X-Rays: I will not make the same old technical questions, the last time you told me that Microsoft would end around February sent the first of Scorpio development kit. I think you were right, at least reading the tweets of an editor of Windows Central. What can you tell me about?
Tom: Yes, it is true, the distribution of the first kits took place in late February and covered the most important software companies. This is not definitive kit, those will come in the summer, but it was a key step for the first approach to the console. Only this summer can be developed natively on the new hardware, the actual kit used to ease the burden on dev willing to optimize existing games for Xbox One Scorpio. They are used to send the current production at 4K and 60 fps, but they are tools that relate to the porting and not the direct development of the Scorpio metal. Only the first party will have access at the moment.
X-Rays: Why this choice?
Tom: Microsoft wants to avoid leak from development kits to the presentation, a misdirection move if we want, but we already do understand the hardware lift. And then there are still factors at stake not definitive about the hardware. Will these intense weeks since then mark the production of the console, which will take place between April and early May. For this reason, the kits are not yet even complete.
X-Rays: To factors at stake do you mean?
Tom: The RAM in the first place. If you remember the original plan was to use GDDR5X. But hardware that guarantees you the 4K 60fps and the coast and every component, even with gap of a few dollars, can greatly affect the final cost of the product. 12 GB GDDR5 will instead be the final setup. The 320 (and switches) GB / sec get them with 384-bit interface of these memories. 12 chip 1 GB each. Over one or two GB for the operation of the console in stand-by mode and for some operations that the OS must be allocated to ensure multitasking. But the pool will be one for games and cover well 9-10GB of GDDR5 memory.
X-Rays: I understand, and I do not believe that then there will be some kind of difference.Strengthen me that cone does not "downgrade." ALREADY you made me make a fool with the history of 10TFLOPS!
Tom: Look good, the announcement was well chosen, the period also give out, on TFLOPS have been corrected by 63% (laughs). I confirm that the console will deliver 6.3 TFLOPS of GPU power side. I repeat again, maybe your fans will understand: in May of 2016, I heard of a power close to 10TFLOPS, it was still in the stages of "discussion" of a project that, among other things, is complete for a 80% today. It was a theoretical figure that then does not differ much from what will be able to make XBOX.
X-Rays: XBOX all caps?
Tom: Xbox, so it will be called.
X-Rays: somebody talked about Xbox One X ...
Tom: Xbox, Xbox, is always an Xbox, will be part of an ecosystem of Xbox One. The name I have no information, I'm sorry.
X-Rays: Ok ... Vega and Ryzen? They are fine?
Tom: Inside Scorpio are great, both of us, is that Zen Vega. What do you want to know?
X-Rays: What Scorpio not using Jaguar or Puma, or Polaris overclocked ...
Tom: But if it's from E3 2016, and even before I tell you that the two new technologies move Scorpio ... what are you afraid?
X-Rays: What have you read it wrong, you misinformed, or are you kidding me?
Tom: Hey X, Scorpio will be a beast, they say so, they say the technical data. Data that if you want them to run on Jaguar and Polaris get a heater for the winter. A similar power also needs two important values: dissipation and energy saving. With 6.3 TFLOPS of power, support for virtual reality, the nativity to 4K streaming of games and you can reach them on the console only if the hardware is powerful, balanced, not exorbitant in terms of consumption and not too hot. Zen and Vega are in Scorpio, not in desktop form (it's still a console) but in their custom design.
Tom: I reiterate that the Scorpio SoC (system on chip) has nothing to do with the old technologies, it will be native DirectX 1 and Shader Model 6, a SoC designed precisely around Vega for the GPU and Zen-Ryzen for the CPU. I repeat: not the small category Desktop solutions, but just a microsoft design created together with AMD to benefit from the latest technological products. We do not even speak of notebook configurations for Scorpio, but a completely new APU, that is not around on the PC being of type custom.
Tom: Of course not talking about top range, the speech "be a console" is still valid, but it is a really powerful chipset, and who has got to have the first info seems to be in agreement with this.
X-Rays: It is the COO of Gamestop and some like dev Monolith confirmed.
Tom: Of course we will meet in front of some hybrid solution, then to the CPU for example will find a mix of instructions from architecture Puma and Zen fused together, the same goes for the GPU with a mix of Polaris and Vega architectures, although the breaking will be present to a greater extent.
X-Rays: For more detailed technical data, we refer to those of a month and a half ago?
Cont'd
Tom: From that point of view nothing has changed and you have a delta of possible changes of the numbers that you did last time. 52 CU (or NCU considering the nature of the Vega compute unit) operating at 950MHz for 6.3 TFLOPS, 3328 stream processors, 64 ROPS. The CPU will be a Ryzen 8 physical cores operating at 2.2 GHz to 8 threads, the R5 family. To Gigapixel / s Texture Fill Rate can not be accurate because they are numbers that can change based on the frequencies chosen, the last time I gave you numbers on the highest possible frequency, which is obviously not feasible, but should reach considering the 950 MHz GPU , then approximately 60.8 GP / s and 123.5 GT / s. I do not want to be repetitive, but talk now of these exact numbers is very difficult as they are also subject to the last moment adjustments and revisions (memories of the CPU and GPU of the Xbox One UpClock? Could the same thing happen).
X-Rays: Very clear. So you believe in broad terms that the hardware is that, more or Mhz Mhz in less ...
Tom: I'm convinced from 2 May 2016, little has changed compared to the first document and the first project, except now you are putting on silicon ones that just a year ago were still paper-based documents. Before you make me stupid questions, it is logical that a console will not face in half a year, serving twice as long, and each component is evaluated, analyzed and tested according to criteria that I'm not saying here what, keep but I realize that AMD was working on for a long time Ryzen Vega and, even earlier than three years ago when Microsoft decided to create Scorpio, so the times coincide and, now, also technology. Sony has done the same with PS4 Pro. There is nothing magical about everything but technology improvements and investments that a company intends to do.
X-Rays: All right Tom, I heartily thank you. I can not wait to read the official specifications, compare them with your own, and if, elogiarti or look for you all around the States!
Tom: Do you know how and where to find me, do not hide myself, but you are serene, the numbers are those, and the margin of error can be there of course, but with a minimum gap. It will be fun resent later.Take care.
X-Rays: To you!
X-Rays: Very clear. So you believe in broad terms that the hardware is that, more or Mhz Mhz in less ...
Tom: I'm convinced from 2 May 2016, little has changed compared to the first document and the first project, except now you are putting on silicon ones that just a year ago were still paper-based documents. Before you make me stupid questions, it is logical that a console will not face in half a year, serving twice as long, and each component is evaluated, analyzed and tested according to criteria that I'm not saying here what, keep but I realize that AMD was working on for a long time Ryzen Vega and, even earlier than three years ago when Microsoft decided to create Scorpio, so the times coincide and, now, also technology. Sony has done the same with PS4 Pro. There is nothing magical about everything but technology improvements and investments that a company intends to do.
X-Rays: All right Tom, I heartily thank you. I can not wait to read the official specifications, compare them with your own, and if, elogiarti or look for you all around the States!
Tom: Do you know how and where to find me, do not hide myself, but you are serene, the numbers are those, and the margin of error can be there of course, but with a minimum gap. It will be fun resent later.Take care.
X-Rays: To you!
Where were you able to find a translation?
I'm at work but I'll try and summarize all the major points/numbers a little later....unless someone wants to do it now..? *cough* *tumbleweeds blow by*
Finally some juicy, juicy rumors! I'm totally tripping bear-balls right now.
Google translated of course!
http://projectxbox.it/2017/03/28/in...i-dettagli-tecnici-svelati-e-annuncio-pre-e3/
In-Depth Xbox Scorpio: the console will be sold in two versions and will be available from November 22, 2017, disclosed new technical details and pre E3 announcement
The X Rays on March 28, 2017
After a period of silence, finally begin to leak new information from the headquarters of Microsoft on the Xbox side. This year, security is at the highest level and we want to avoid any leakage of the news before the official reveal of the console.
Mouths sewn, at most surveillance and planning are the three factors that are moving the Xbox division, all "normal" if we think that 2017 will be the year of the Scorpion, or rather, Project Scorpio.
As the most knowledgeable of you know, later this year will come the new console from Microsoft, a beautiful little creature that wants to forget the problems we had with the launch of Xbox One.
For this reason the division "video games" the software giant intends to set up better what will be the presentation of Scorpio, taking care of the smallest detail communication, marketing and, of course, the fun aspect of the new machine.
This article, therefore, will focus on the latest information that I was able to find about Project Scorpio, plus some new info from my tipster Tom, a source which has proved to be very reliable to date.
And just three days ago Yusuf Mehdi has posted on his LinkedIn profile a "handbook" that is reflected with the old words of Tom transcribed, almost a year ago :
"I've heard that Spencer and the entire team wants to leave as soon as possible for the one spot he had with the old leadership, as if to mean a" leave here as it was a year zero for us and for the Xbox, "they were not kidding, also hence the decision to end the production of Xbox 360 to focus on the new model, "Tom May 2, 2016.
If you read the Yusuf-thought you can find a confirmation of how the team is focused on Scorpio hoping to "turn" the page and some cryptic phrases him testify.
What Tom had heard from Spencer was incorrect, as it had corrected the arrival of Scorpio for this year (referring to Tom not before spring 2017) and of the incredible power that will move the console (at the time there was talk of 10TFLOPS, given just some minutes from 6 TFLOPS announced officially by Microsoft in June of 2016 and not so far away if we think of Scorpio as a hardware "closed").
On what will still have Tom right? I'll ask him directly, but first I wanted to share with you the nature of information "General."
First, and this is something in the air for a few days, Scorpio Project will be presented before E3 2017 through a dedicated event. Microsoft, in the time of writing, still has not decided the place and date, even if the latest rumors should be in a period from mid-May to the week before the event in Los Angeles.
Similarly to what happened with Xbox One, Scorpio will be presented in the company's campus with calls to release that will be sent in late April.
The show will be the appearance of the console, so its shape and colors, and is the technical aspect with different slide on the potential and hardware features.
The lineup has not yet been decided, with Microsoft is preparing two, one for the reveal of Scorpio and for E3 2017, a considerable work that has to punctuate well the various ads without interposing things.
On the show dedicated to Scorpio will be announced all the titles that will be "optimized" for the new car and that will see the arrival of day-one patch: These are all the titles produced by the first party (Halo 5, various Forza, Gears 4, etc.) over various third party games that will enjoy various tweaks (Fallout 4, Battlefield 1 etc.).
What will these patches? Increased resolution and frame rates in most of the time, increase of assets in securities selected graphics (like Gears of War 4) "ready" for the upgrade of Scorpio. The trend, however, the simpler and less "complex", will be the increase in pixels and frame.
These games will be republished with the patch already integrated (for those who buy them new course) and the covers will be reviewed for a second time: the upper stamps will generally be three, with the first to certify whether the game line-up Xbox 360 will be backward compatible (even Scorpio will allow the Xbox 360 ...) using the games, the second if it is a native game for Xbox one and, finally, the third edition of the report "enhanced" for Scorpio.
For example on the cover of Gears of War 4 will be the Xbox One logo that what "enhanced" Scorpio.
Returning to reveal Scorpio the conference will last for an hour or so poor but they are not presented new games except those present with improved graphics. Probably the presence of some demos with Virtual Reality (VR Fallout 4?). The release of the new Xbox is scheduled for November 22, 2017.
Project Scorpio will be sold in two versions, one with a cutting from 1 terabyte of hard disk drives, at $ 449 / EUR, and with a cut of 2 terabytes of hard disk at $ 549 / EUR. Prices have not yet been fixed but the oscillations should cover no more than 30 dollars / euro by model. Do not expect solid state hard drives (SSD) and neither hybrids, are classic mechanical disks 2.5 "Sata 3.
Scorpio will not be sold under the pad Elite, but with a pad picks up the color of the console but will have factory form "traditional." Elite controllers will see a second revision, with the new model that will boast support for Bluetooth and Wi-Fi range improved. $ 149 / € The price of the new Elite controllers, while the current will be cut to fifty dollars / euro and will cost $ 99 / €.
Project Scorpio you can pre-order from ... Sunday, June 11, 2017, at the end of Microsoft's E3 conference. All-rehearsed.
A nod to the then Italian division of Xbox: the investments will be higher, promotions (some already in place) doubled and there will be more coverage of advertising, exhibition spaces and upgrading of social channels. All in the name of Scorpio with Xbox Italy that will do the lion's share. An image revival, a revival of the Xbox brand here in the Bel Paese.Microsoft is confident in Project Scorpio and euphoria reigns in all branches, including Italy.
After this feast of news, we now turn to the conversation I had with my Tom source, made last weekend:
X-Rays: Hello dear, it's a good deal 'that you do not feel, and when you feel it is because you have good news to tell me.
Tom: I confirm!
X-Rays: I will not make the same old technical questions, the last time you told me that Microsoft would end around February sent the first of Scorpio development kit. I think you were right, at least reading the tweets of an editor of Windows Central. What can you tell me about?
Tom: Yes, it is true, the distribution of the first kits took place in late February and covered the most important software companies. This is not definitive kit, those will come in the summer, but it was a key step for the first approach to the console. Only this summer can be developed natively on the new hardware, the actual kit used to ease the burden on dev willing to optimize existing games for Xbox One Scorpio. They are used to send the current production at 4K and 60 fps, but they are tools that relate to the porting and not the direct development of the Scorpio metal. Only the first party will have access at the moment.
X-Rays: Why this choice?
Tom: Microsoft wants to avoid leak from development kits to the presentation, a misdirection move if we want, but we already do understand the hardware lift. And then there are still factors at stake not definitive about the hardware. Will these intense weeks since then mark the production of the console, which will take place between April and early May. For this reason, the kits are not yet even complete.
X-Rays: To factors at stake do you mean?
Tom: The RAM in the first place. If you remember the original plan was to use GDDR5X. But hardware that guarantees you the 4K 60fps and the coast and every component, even with gap of a few dollars, can greatly affect the final cost of the product. 12 GB GDDR5 will instead be the final setup. The 320 (and switches) GB / sec get them with 384-bit interface of these memories. 12 chip 1 GB each. Over one or two GB for the operation of the console in stand-by mode and for some operations that the OS must be allocated to ensure multitasking. But the pool will be one for games and cover well 9-10GB of GDDR5 memory.
X-Rays: I understand, and I do not believe that then there will be some kind of difference.Strengthen me that cone does not "downgrade." ALREADY you made me make a fool with the history of 10TFLOPS!
Tom: Look good, the announcement was well chosen, the period also give out, on TFLOPS have been corrected by 63% (laughs). I confirm that the console will deliver 6.3 TFLOPS of GPU power side. I repeat again, maybe your fans will understand: in May of 2016, I heard of a power close to 10TFLOPS, it was still in the stages of "discussion" of a project that, among other things, is complete for a 80% today. It was a theoretical figure that then does not differ much from what will be able to make XBOX.
X-Rays: XBOX all caps?
Tom: Xbox, so it will be called.
X-Rays: somebody talked about Xbox One X ...
Tom: Xbox, Xbox, is always an Xbox, will be part of an ecosystem of Xbox One. The name I have no information, I'm sorry.
X-Rays: Ok ... Vega and Ryzen? They are fine?
Tom: Inside Scorpio are great, both of us, is that Zen Vega. What do you want to know?
X-Rays: What Scorpio not using Jaguar or Puma, or Polaris overclocked ...
Tom: But if it's from E3 2016, and even before I tell you that the two new technologies move Scorpio ... what are you afraid?
X-Rays: What have you read it wrong, you misinformed, or are you kidding me?
Tom: Hey X, Scorpio will be a beast, they say so, they say the technical data. Data that if you want them to run on Jaguar and Polaris get a heater for the winter. A similar power also needs two important values: dissipation and energy saving. With 6.3 TFLOPS of power, support for virtual reality, the nativity to 4K streaming of games and you can reach them on the console only if the hardware is powerful, balanced, not exorbitant in terms of consumption and not too hot. Zen and Vega are in Scorpio, not in desktop form (it's still a console) but in their custom design.
Tom: I reiterate that the Scorpio SoC (system on chip) has nothing to do with the old technologies, it will be native DirectX 1 and Shader Model 6, a SoC designed precisely around Vega for the GPU and Zen-Ryzen for the CPU. I repeat: not the small category Desktop solutions, but just a microsoft design created together with AMD to benefit from the latest technological products. We do not even speak of notebook configurations for Scorpio, but a completely new APU, that is not around on the PC being of type custom.
Tom: Of course not talking about top range, the speech "be a console" is still valid, but it is a really powerful chipset, and who has got to have the first info seems to be in agreement with this.
X-Rays: It is the COO of Gamestop and some like dev Monolith confirmed.
Tom: Of course we will meet in front of some hybrid solution, then to the CPU for example will find a mix of instructions from architecture Puma and Zen fused together, the same goes for the GPU with a mix of Polaris and Vega architectures, although the breaking will be present to a greater extent.
X-Rays: For more detailed technical data, we refer to those of a month and a half ago?
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most exciting thing there is the Elite v1 controller getting priced slashed to £50. If that is true, it means I can buy one, finally, and not at a ridiculous price.
Based on those rumors, it's awfully close to the white papers. Actually all this Tom guy does is backtrack previous rumors to match the stuff that DF assumed from the white papers. Only difference being Zen...except it's not Zen. Tom backtracks that a bit saying it's not full Zen but rather a customized CPU with some features that you get with Zen. So you could call it an upclocked Jaguar in terms of speed with modifications that allow Zen features....and suddenly everyone was right.
Ironic part is that after a year of rumors, it'll be exactly what MS said it would be. No more or less
Ironic part is that after a year of rumors, it'll be exactly what MS said it would be. No more or less
MS didn' t say much a year ago, all they stated was Tflops and bandwidth.
It also can't be an upclocked Jaguar, cause that makes no sense. It is either zen or isn't. Usually they take a product and scale down. They generally don't take inferior tech and scale up.
They're scaling sideways. If they rotate everything 180 degrees, there's room for another DGPU. #MisterX_AM_CONFERM!
This just seems like an amalgamation of rumors and what could already be expected. I see nothing new or groundbreaking with the Tom/X-rays rumors. Now, if they could have actually leaked out the name, that would have been something. It's just about as vague as Nostradamus was with his prophecies. I guess I'll just wait to be excited, when they actually reveal the case and specs, as well as show the games.
A lot of Tom/Xray stuff is irrelevant. No one cares how many Shader cores and what clock the bits inside are as we know their intended performance level (6TF/320GB/Sec)
My surprise level is 0 for that. Curious why would you do that, when you can get a WD Elements 2TB HDD for $75. That gives you a total of actually 3TB for $25 less. I use one now and is like it isn't even there.
A summary of the rumors I posted, since the translation was sh*tty. But if anyone here can speak Italian, please correct anything that might be wrong.
-There will be a separate Scorpio reveal event from the MS campus, sometime between mid-May and E3 (the date hasn't been decided yet). But 'invitations' will go out sometime in late April.
-The Scorpio event will showcase the look of the console, technical specs, and will show how existing first-party games will be 'optimized' on Scorpio (better frame rate, resolution, etc). Possibly VR showing, but this might be saved for E3.
-Release date is Nov 22.
-2 SKUs, a 1 TB and a 2 TB. 450 and 550, but I'm not sure if dollars or Euros...? Apparently pricing not set in stone yet.
-Pre-orders will go live at the end of the MS E3 conference.
-New Elite controller is coming, with Bluetooth support and improved WiFi range. Currently Elite will be reduced by $50.
-As Windows Central reported, current dev kits are about 80% capacity. Full dev kits going out in the Summer. But current dev kits allow existing games to be enhanced. Full dev kit is needed to make a game native 4K/60. 1st party either have the full dev kits already or will have them first. This was done to prevent leaks.
-GPU is now 6.3 TF. 12 GB GDDR5, not GDDR5X.
-Custom Zen and Vega, not the desktop forms. Nothing older, like Jag or Polaris, as there would be too much heat.
-Scorpio SoC has nothing to do with old technologies, it will be native DirectX 1 and Shader Model 6, a SoC designed precisely around Vega for the GPU and Zen-Ryzen for the CPU....not the small category Desktop solutions, but just a MS design created together with AMD to benefit from the latest tech....a completely new APU as well.
-TheCPU will be a Ryzen 8 physical cores operating at 2.2 GHz to 8 threads, the R5 family.
-There will be a separate Scorpio reveal event from the MS campus, sometime between mid-May and E3 (the date hasn't been decided yet). But 'invitations' will go out sometime in late April.
-The Scorpio event will showcase the look of the console, technical specs, and will show how existing first-party games will be 'optimized' on Scorpio (better frame rate, resolution, etc). Possibly VR showing, but this might be saved for E3.
-Release date is Nov 22.
-2 SKUs, a 1 TB and a 2 TB. 450 and 550, but I'm not sure if dollars or Euros...? Apparently pricing not set in stone yet.
-Pre-orders will go live at the end of the MS E3 conference.
-New Elite controller is coming, with Bluetooth support and improved WiFi range. Currently Elite will be reduced by $50.
-As Windows Central reported, current dev kits are about 80% capacity. Full dev kits going out in the Summer. But current dev kits allow existing games to be enhanced. Full dev kit is needed to make a game native 4K/60. 1st party either have the full dev kits already or will have them first. This was done to prevent leaks.
-GPU is now 6.3 TF. 12 GB GDDR5, not GDDR5X.
-Custom Zen and Vega, not the desktop forms. Nothing older, like Jag or Polaris, as there would be too much heat.
-Scorpio SoC has nothing to do with old technologies, it will be native DirectX 1 and Shader Model 6, a SoC designed precisely around Vega for the GPU and Zen-Ryzen for the CPU....not the small category Desktop solutions, but just a MS design created together with AMD to benefit from the latest tech....a completely new APU as well.
-TheCPU will be a Ryzen 8 physical cores operating at 2.2 GHz to 8 threads, the R5 family.
Well if this is true it wont have problems hitting 4k 30fps with high to ultra settings. Lets hope we get 1400 to 1800p at 60
I'm at work but I'll try and summarize all the major points/numbers a little later....unless someone wants to do it now..? *cough* *tumbleweeds blow by*
Well I certainly appreciated it.
Hey guys, puresoul's post is accurate.
Crazy, I know.
I said as much before, PS4/XBO both use two quadcore modules to form their "8-core" CPU.
Saying that the mention of a Ryzen 8-core CPU option is a non-starter for Scorpio is therefore wrong; when we know they could likely use the same "2x four-core modules" option again. So it is theoretically possible. I'm still not sold on it happening, but it is plausible.
Crazy, I know.
I said as much before, PS4/XBO both use two quadcore modules to form their "8-core" CPU.
Saying that the mention of a Ryzen 8-core CPU option is a non-starter for Scorpio is therefore wrong; when we know they could likely use the same "2x four-core modules" option again. So it is theoretically possible. I'm still not sold on it happening, but it is plausible.
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