Nobody expects the Spanish Dragon Age:Inquisition (Scorpio Edition).
Project Scorpio v4.0
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Nobody expects the Spanish Dragon Age:Inquisition (Scorpio Edition).
Kind of reminds me of the Microsoft Reveal Tent of 2013. Wonder if we'll get one before E3?
Some fans were even cool enough to create a twitter account for the Reveal Tent. https://twitter.com/XboxRevealTent
It was funny and clever at the same time, and I wondered the whole time why Microsoft hadn't been smart enough to do something like that on their own?
**sigh** There was such a feeling of enthusiasm in those days. Kind of like there is now. To avoid all of the pitfalls and unnecessary prayers to Crom and the circling birds of doom (yeah I remember that), all MS has to do is show off their new shiny with plenty of games and explain with clarity what their vision for 4k gaming is going forward. No baseless and unsupported statements about "always on" and "powered by the cloud" Don't even get bogged down in technical terminologies like "uncompressed pixels", even if they can back it up. They should make their points about the strength of the hardware and immediately show games that demonstrate that strength. If there's a future with VR or Mixed Reality then show us what it looks like. Don't hype gamers with promises they don't intend to keep. If Crackdown and future titles are going to be cloud driven then give us a stage demo with players.
By doing this they won't give any of the birds of doom anything to work with. If the press and the reviewers want to create negative narratives they wouldn't be helping to write those headlines for them. Just build on the excitement that's already there, the community will take it the rest of the way. Because it's the community that forgave you this second chance MS.
"Forgiveness says you are given another chance to make a new beginning."- Desmond Tutu
Pfft. What a stupid hippy.
He'll never get on The Real Housewives with that attitude. #nobody
Why doesn't MS end their tradition of 90min press conferences and give themselves more time? I've never understood the need to condense the entire show into such a small presentation. They never rush Surface and Windows Phone conferences.
The thing is that after the big press conferences (unless you're attending) the entire E3 showcase goes down hill pretty fast. So I would prefer a longer conference to put as many gaming announcements as possible. It's a like a once a year 2nd Christmas Day for gamers......MILK THAT COW for all it's worth! lol
Hopefully the power of Scorpio will improve 3rd party attach rate.
Nobody really needs 2+ hours for a conference. Even the best ones ever were probably still longer than they needed to be.
Well I wasn't suggesting two and a half hours. 2hrs though is more than enough time to cover games and hardware announcements. Especially if MS has no intention of having a post E3 panel talking about Scorpio.
Funny coming from gamestop who s*** on Microsoft about their original policy which it was suppose to help them.
They can go to HELL!
I think MS found a way to control the used games and the licence where Gamestop would no longer get a 100% profit on used games and the developers will be paid fairly.
Gamestop told MS TGFY and went all out for the PS4 promotion because they think SONY was going to support Gamestop on used games...well how did that turned out for them when SONY is the one going all out with their own online market.
Much as I loathe (figuratively) gamestop, I can't blame them. They are in a tough spot. They will adapt or die...
No not really but they knew this day was coming and they will fade away down the road.
Honestly, the best thing I could see GameStop doing at this point is working something out with the publishers and developing their own digital storefront of some kind. If they could create some kind of "used" game format with such a option, I think it would do well.
but the software can't be titled used in the same way. Even on disc if someone had the game before doesn't mean the game will start falling apart. It's a digital game. There is no wear and tear on those things.
Hence why I put it in quotes. Call it a loyalty program, it doesn't matter. What it amounts to is driving future purchases by allowing them to get credit by turning in the licenses of the digital content they are not using anymore. Length of time since original purchase could determine the amount of the credit. That's a crude oversimplification, but you get the idea.
GS isn't going anywhere anytime soon. They still make money. And unlike music CDs or PC gaming, console gamers still need hardware. Even though you can buy the hardware at lots of places, GS is one of the few places that accepts trade ins, and out of all brick and mortar stores it easily has the biggest used game section. Just about every game has a used copy. Rip off prices, yes. But it's still there.
However, just like HMV the shift in products in store is big. When HMV music and movie sales started tanking, suddenly it's all about music books, tshirts, board games, coffee mugs and other junk.
GS has probably shifted one third of their store to cellphones, tablets, and that $20 anime cartoon doll thing that comes in a million variations.
However, just like HMV the shift in products in store is big. When HMV music and movie sales started tanking, suddenly it's all about music books, tshirts, board games, coffee mugs and other junk.
GS has probably shifted one third of their store to cellphones, tablets, and that $20 anime cartoon doll thing that comes in a million variations.
Retail is dying, and GS will die along with it. I can get new games for $48 off Amazon with Prime (granted not free but it pays for itself). Heck even Sears can't stay open.
The only reason I go into a retail store anymore is for food. Everything else I order online.
The only reason I go into a retail store anymore is for food. Everything else I order online.
Rumors have been light, so I re-dug up this from some random dude. As usual, tech guys please....possible or not, probable or not, etc...?
polishwonder also posted something from this guy (which got spread over to GAF and several other sites), so I'm giving credit where it is due.
"Listen I have absolute 100% inside factual information from a very close acquaintance of mine who has been working with an official Xbox Scorpio dev kit which his development team received from Microsoft back in November 2016. The developer is from a major 1st party studio and the information he has provided me is 100% accurate. The developer confirmed that the 343 industries developer who a few weeks ago publicly stated how the Xbox Scorpio was far more beefier than originally expected was absolutely correct as the console wasn't downgraded at all but rather the exact opposite. The Xbox Scorpio is using a brand new completely custom console only specific architecture that's using an all new rendering method which allows for an ultra efficient almost ZERO LATENCY communication between the system CPU & GPU which allows for a nearly 60% higher graphical rendering performance when compared to what's currently available on Pc graphics cards and or current game consoles. The new architecture essentially allows for the Xbox Scorpio to take 6 teraflops worth of GPU compute power and render that 6 teraflops at 60% higher than the exact same Pc graphics card in a Pc which means that the Xbox Scorpio 6 teraflops of GPU COMPUTE POWER IS EQUIVALENT TO a 9.6 teraflop Pc graphics card. The new custom architecture was developed in collaboration between Microsoft & AMD designed specifically for Xbox Scorpio and the new communication method IS 100% fully patented from Microsoft specifically for the Xbox Scorpio. The way in which Microsoft was able to develop and patent this new custom architecture was because Microsoft funded nearly 40% of the research n development costs associated with ZEN/VEGA in exchange for not jus the ability to develop and patent this brand new custom console only architecture communication method specifically for Xbox Scorpio only but in addition Microsoft also in return was able to secure an extremely cost efficient price on the new Xbox Scorpio chipsets from AMD WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% ZEN/VEGA based chipsets. The CPU inside the Xbox Scorpio is an 8 CORE RYZEN SUMMIT RIDGE R5 CPU @ 2.8ghz, and the graphics chip inside Xbox Scorpio is a custom designed AMD VEGA GPU 6.2 teraflop GPU @ 970mhz. The Xbox Scorpio is also using 12gb of gddr5x memory with 320gb per second memory bandwidth. Those specs are the exact specs and exact hardware that's currently used inside the Xbox Scorpio dev kits as they are all using early engineering samples of both the RYZEN CPU & VEGA GPU. I was also informed that currently right now developers have numerous games that are currently up and running on the Xbox Scorpio dev kits. The games that I was told so far which are being tested n benchmarked that are currently running NATIVE 4K 60fps on Xbox Scorpio dev kits are as follows.......
DOOM 4K 60fps (Pc ultra equivalent)
BATTLEFIELD 4K 60fps (Pc ultra equivalent)
HALO 5 (4K 60fps Xbox One equivalent)
WITCHER 3 (4K 60fps Pc ultra equivalent)
FALLOUT 4 (4K 60fps Pc ultra equivalent)
Those games are all currently running at NATIVE 4K on the Xbox Scorpio dev kits, and while they're definitely more games being tested n benchmarked internally by different development teams I was told that the ones I listed above are the only games that my sources own personal development team has seen 1st hand running NATIVE 4K 60fps.
I was informed that the reason 343 industries developer came out and publicly expressed the fact that Xbox Scorpio was far beefier than originally expected isn't because the hardware itself is beefier or upgraded but BECAUSE DEVELOPERS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA THAT MICROSOFT & AMD had developed a brand new custom architecture that's console specific for XBOX SCORPIO which is why so far apparently the system is running NATIVE 4K 60fps at the Pc ultra setting equivalent without even putting the hardware under full load where essentially Xbox Scorpio dev kits are rendering these games at NATIVE 4K 60fps with a lot of wiggle room as the hardware isn't being pushed anywhere near its full capabilities as the new architecture is the biggest jump in graphical rendering power efficiency since the Xbox 360 launched with a custom and Radeon GPU which had the first ever unified memory architecture that wasn't available on Pc graphics cards at the time which is why when Xbox 360 launched there wasn't a Pc graphics card on the market that could compete with Xbox 360 for nearly 18 months until Pc graphics cards started to adopt the new unified graphics architecture at which point that's when Pc caught back up and surpassed consoles. I was told that this time around Pc graphics cards won't be able to adopt this new architecture AS MICROSOFT HAS FULLY PATENTED THIS NEW ARCHITECTURE AS XBOX SCORPIO CONSOLE SPECIFIC which means neither Pc nor PlayStation will be able to use and or develop graphics chipsets using this new architecture as it's fully custom and designed specifically for Xbox Scorpio.
The last thing I wanna share is that at least in the case of my specific source I was told that internally when testing and benchmarking the Xbox Scorpio dev kits the graphical rendering performance is on par with the NVIDIA TITAN X PASCAL in terms of 4K rendering power and that's using an early engineering sample of the RYZEN/VEGA chipset which I was told the final chipset used in Xbox Scorpio will be roughly 15% more power efficient than what's being used in the dev kit as AMD are still tweaking and optimizing the specific APU being used for Xbox Scorpio. I was also informed that in addition to the overall graphics rendering power Xbox Scorpio also has the absolute fastest GAMING CPU in the world right now as the RYZEN CPU IS THE 8 core 8 thread R5 version and it's faster in both single core and multi threaded applications than the intel i7-6900k CPU and while Xbox Scorpio isn't getting the RYZEN r7 CPU which has 8 cores 16 threads I was told it honestly won't make any difference for Xbox Scorpio, however the 8 core 8 thread R5 version is significantly cheaper and vastly more power efficient than the highest end 8 core 16 thread R7 version and that's why Microsoft has chosen to run with the RYZEN R5 version with 8 cores 8 threads ALTHOUGH I WAS TOLD XBOX SCORPIO GAMES WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE 8 extra virtual cores as those will be locked down and fully reserved specifically to run the system software and all background tasks etc.........
I wanna finally end what I've said by saying the last bit of information which I was told was that with Xbox Scorpio and its new architecture which will enable the 6 teraflops of GPU COMPUTE POWER INSIDE XBOX SCORPIO to be the equivalent of a 9.6 teraflop Pc graphics card but also I was told that because of the nature of development for a closed loop console type environment with an ultra low level console API I was told that the optimization for this console will enable Xbox Scorpio to have a very serious initial advantage over even the most expensive ultra high end gaming computers and because of the patent on the new custom console specific Xbox Scorpio only architecture the developer community pretty much all agree that this initial advantage could hold strong for at least 18 to 24 months and so yea I'm sure ok get all sorts of flack and pissed off Pc master race haters talking s*** about what I've said but TRUST ME GUYS WHAT IVE SAID IS ABSOLUTELY THE REAL DEAL AND APPARENTLY MICROSOFT WILL BE SHARING DETAILS REGARDING THE NEW RYZEN/VEGA APU and also the new custom patented Xbox Scorpio architecture sometime around and or at this years upcoming E3 convention."
polishwonder also posted something from this guy (which got spread over to GAF and several other sites), so I'm giving credit where it is due.
"Listen I have absolute 100% inside factual information from a very close acquaintance of mine who has been working with an official Xbox Scorpio dev kit which his development team received from Microsoft back in November 2016. The developer is from a major 1st party studio and the information he has provided me is 100% accurate. The developer confirmed that the 343 industries developer who a few weeks ago publicly stated how the Xbox Scorpio was far more beefier than originally expected was absolutely correct as the console wasn't downgraded at all but rather the exact opposite. The Xbox Scorpio is using a brand new completely custom console only specific architecture that's using an all new rendering method which allows for an ultra efficient almost ZERO LATENCY communication between the system CPU & GPU which allows for a nearly 60% higher graphical rendering performance when compared to what's currently available on Pc graphics cards and or current game consoles. The new architecture essentially allows for the Xbox Scorpio to take 6 teraflops worth of GPU compute power and render that 6 teraflops at 60% higher than the exact same Pc graphics card in a Pc which means that the Xbox Scorpio 6 teraflops of GPU COMPUTE POWER IS EQUIVALENT TO a 9.6 teraflop Pc graphics card. The new custom architecture was developed in collaboration between Microsoft & AMD designed specifically for Xbox Scorpio and the new communication method IS 100% fully patented from Microsoft specifically for the Xbox Scorpio. The way in which Microsoft was able to develop and patent this new custom architecture was because Microsoft funded nearly 40% of the research n development costs associated with ZEN/VEGA in exchange for not jus the ability to develop and patent this brand new custom console only architecture communication method specifically for Xbox Scorpio only but in addition Microsoft also in return was able to secure an extremely cost efficient price on the new Xbox Scorpio chipsets from AMD WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% ZEN/VEGA based chipsets. The CPU inside the Xbox Scorpio is an 8 CORE RYZEN SUMMIT RIDGE R5 CPU @ 2.8ghz, and the graphics chip inside Xbox Scorpio is a custom designed AMD VEGA GPU 6.2 teraflop GPU @ 970mhz. The Xbox Scorpio is also using 12gb of gddr5x memory with 320gb per second memory bandwidth. Those specs are the exact specs and exact hardware that's currently used inside the Xbox Scorpio dev kits as they are all using early engineering samples of both the RYZEN CPU & VEGA GPU. I was also informed that currently right now developers have numerous games that are currently up and running on the Xbox Scorpio dev kits. The games that I was told so far which are being tested n benchmarked that are currently running NATIVE 4K 60fps on Xbox Scorpio dev kits are as follows.......
DOOM 4K 60fps (Pc ultra equivalent)
BATTLEFIELD 4K 60fps (Pc ultra equivalent)
HALO 5 (4K 60fps Xbox One equivalent)
WITCHER 3 (4K 60fps Pc ultra equivalent)
FALLOUT 4 (4K 60fps Pc ultra equivalent)
Those games are all currently running at NATIVE 4K on the Xbox Scorpio dev kits, and while they're definitely more games being tested n benchmarked internally by different development teams I was told that the ones I listed above are the only games that my sources own personal development team has seen 1st hand running NATIVE 4K 60fps.
I was informed that the reason 343 industries developer came out and publicly expressed the fact that Xbox Scorpio was far beefier than originally expected isn't because the hardware itself is beefier or upgraded but BECAUSE DEVELOPERS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA THAT MICROSOFT & AMD had developed a brand new custom architecture that's console specific for XBOX SCORPIO which is why so far apparently the system is running NATIVE 4K 60fps at the Pc ultra setting equivalent without even putting the hardware under full load where essentially Xbox Scorpio dev kits are rendering these games at NATIVE 4K 60fps with a lot of wiggle room as the hardware isn't being pushed anywhere near its full capabilities as the new architecture is the biggest jump in graphical rendering power efficiency since the Xbox 360 launched with a custom and Radeon GPU which had the first ever unified memory architecture that wasn't available on Pc graphics cards at the time which is why when Xbox 360 launched there wasn't a Pc graphics card on the market that could compete with Xbox 360 for nearly 18 months until Pc graphics cards started to adopt the new unified graphics architecture at which point that's when Pc caught back up and surpassed consoles. I was told that this time around Pc graphics cards won't be able to adopt this new architecture AS MICROSOFT HAS FULLY PATENTED THIS NEW ARCHITECTURE AS XBOX SCORPIO CONSOLE SPECIFIC which means neither Pc nor PlayStation will be able to use and or develop graphics chipsets using this new architecture as it's fully custom and designed specifically for Xbox Scorpio.
The last thing I wanna share is that at least in the case of my specific source I was told that internally when testing and benchmarking the Xbox Scorpio dev kits the graphical rendering performance is on par with the NVIDIA TITAN X PASCAL in terms of 4K rendering power and that's using an early engineering sample of the RYZEN/VEGA chipset which I was told the final chipset used in Xbox Scorpio will be roughly 15% more power efficient than what's being used in the dev kit as AMD are still tweaking and optimizing the specific APU being used for Xbox Scorpio. I was also informed that in addition to the overall graphics rendering power Xbox Scorpio also has the absolute fastest GAMING CPU in the world right now as the RYZEN CPU IS THE 8 core 8 thread R5 version and it's faster in both single core and multi threaded applications than the intel i7-6900k CPU and while Xbox Scorpio isn't getting the RYZEN r7 CPU which has 8 cores 16 threads I was told it honestly won't make any difference for Xbox Scorpio, however the 8 core 8 thread R5 version is significantly cheaper and vastly more power efficient than the highest end 8 core 16 thread R7 version and that's why Microsoft has chosen to run with the RYZEN R5 version with 8 cores 8 threads ALTHOUGH I WAS TOLD XBOX SCORPIO GAMES WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE 8 extra virtual cores as those will be locked down and fully reserved specifically to run the system software and all background tasks etc.........
I wanna finally end what I've said by saying the last bit of information which I was told was that with Xbox Scorpio and its new architecture which will enable the 6 teraflops of GPU COMPUTE POWER INSIDE XBOX SCORPIO to be the equivalent of a 9.6 teraflop Pc graphics card but also I was told that because of the nature of development for a closed loop console type environment with an ultra low level console API I was told that the optimization for this console will enable Xbox Scorpio to have a very serious initial advantage over even the most expensive ultra high end gaming computers and because of the patent on the new custom console specific Xbox Scorpio only architecture the developer community pretty much all agree that this initial advantage could hold strong for at least 18 to 24 months and so yea I'm sure ok get all sorts of flack and pissed off Pc master race haters talking s*** about what I've said but TRUST ME GUYS WHAT IVE SAID IS ABSOLUTELY THE REAL DEAL AND APPARENTLY MICROSOFT WILL BE SHARING DETAILS REGARDING THE NEW RYZEN/VEGA APU and also the new custom patented Xbox Scorpio architecture sometime around and or at this years upcoming E3 convention."
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