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How does the Scorpio get around the ESRAM issue on games going forward IF ESRAM isn't included in the Scorpio build? That forwards and backwards compatibility is always going to have to deal with that?

In 2013 there where interviews with the os programmers, they designed the os in such a way that they can change the hardware completely and still run the games without problems. Beta tested in the future you know.
I can't remember how they did it anymore but you can find the interviews on YT.

Update ; they are using the Hyper-V virtual machine monitor and contains separate operating systems for games and applications that can run on the console.
I actually remember that there were some loud whiners in the boards hating the os set up even though they didn't understand it.

the Hyper-V virtual machine monitor is the way they can be forward and backward compatible on completely different silicon
 
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Since launch.

You don't say. I can't believe that there was so much talk about Tomb Raider's exclusivity or lack thereof or determining what angle light has to pass through a prism to illuminate one of Lara's buttcheeks in red and the other in blue, but MS somehow breaking Destiny away from being a Sony exclusive flew right over my head.
 
You don't say. I can't believe that there was so much talk about Tomb Raider's exclusivity or lack thereof or determining what angle light has to pass through a prism to illuminate one of Lara's buttcheeks in red and the other in blue, but MS somehow breaking Destiny away from being a Sony exclusive flew right over my head.

Destiny along with other launch games, had a marketing campaign that made it look exclusive.
 
How does the Scorpio get around the ESRAM issue on games going forward IF ESRAM isn't included in the Scorpio build? That forwards and backwards compatibility is always going to have to deal with that?
good question.... maybe they emulate the xbo with help from the (rumored) additional 4gb.
 
good question.... maybe they emulate the xbo with help from the (rumored) additional 4gb.

They don't have to emulate X1, the Hyper-V virtual machine monitor will be different on Scorpio, and it will be able to handle every X1 game new or old. To take advance of Scorpio's higher res the old games has to be patched though.
The game os (every game has it's own os btw) will run above the virtual machine and the virtual machine will control the silicon.
Same precedence on all Xbox family. Different virtual machine. X1S will have a different virtual machine too bco it's 4k scaling and HDR management

To fully explain how this system works we have to get answers from the creators I think.

The extra ram is more likely for having more textures ready in ram. Isn't that how it works on pc rigs? More ram more textures ready in ram
 
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Did you listen to the video all the way?

Yup. Just listened to it again. They talked to most of the MS guys, guys from AMD, and were basically told the specs aren't even finalized yet, and will most likely be greater than what has been said so far. What is your point?

For anyone interested, the Scorpio talk starts at about 1:06 in and goes for about 25 minutes.
 
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Yup. Just listened to it again. They talked to most of the MS guys, guys from AMD, and were basically told the specs aren't even finalized yet, and will most likely be greater than what has been said so far. What is your point?

For anyone interested, the Scorpio talk starts at about 1:06 in and goes for about 25 minutes.
They claimed that the specs are going to be improved,they claimed the memory bandwidth wasn't 320gb but over 400gb but weren't even clear on what the 400+ number was ie gpu speed,cpu speed or ram speed ie they were pulling numbers out of there asses.
All kinds of laugh worthy stuff if one listens to the whole video.
 
I don't think so. Honestly, I think MS is waiting for Sony confirm the specs of the Neo and will then decide how much they want to increase Scorpio. 6Tflops is probably them setting the bar low, when they know they can get more out of the hardware.

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft announces an increase in hardware shortly before or shortly after Neo releases.
 
They claimed that the specs are going to be improved,they claimed the memory bandwidth wasn't 320gb but over 400gb but weren't even clear on what the 400+ number was ie gpu speed,cpu speed or ram speed ie they were pulling numbers out of there asses.
All kinds of laugh worthy stuff if one listens to the whole video.

Their direct quote from the AMD guy they overheard was that 'it's more than 320 g/s.' Which, if you watch the official reveal trailer (which I posted for your convenience. You're welcome), at 3:10 that is exactly what they say.
Will it be 400? Doubt it. That's just these guys rambling and their wishful thinking. It doesn't make them fanboys. They even gave their game of the show to Horizon.
But the bottom line here is it that according to official sources, it will exceed 320. They're at E3, they talked to everyone they could, and it's said directly in the trailer: 'Greater than 320.'
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
Their direct quote from the AMD guys was that 'it's more than 320.' Which l, if you watch the official reveal trailer (which I posted for your convenience. You're welcome), at 3:10 that is exactly what they say.
Will it be 400? Doubt it. That's just these guys rambling and their wishful thinking. It doesn't make them fanboys. They even gave their game of the show to Horizon.
But the bottom line here is it that according to official sources, it will exceed 320. They're at E3, they talked to everyone they could, and it's said directly in the trailer: 'Greater than 320.'
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

But the video you posted THEY claimed 400+ but didn't even know what the number was for or meant lol these guys are misleading and full of hyperbull.
Thx 4 the official vid you just posted.
 
Their direct quote from the AMD guy they overheard was that 'it's more than 320 g/s.' Which, if you watch the official reveal trailer (which I posted for your convenience. You're welcome), at 3:10 that is exactly what they say.
Will it be 400? Doubt it. That's just these guys rambling and their wishful thinking. It doesn't make them fanboys. They even gave their game of the show to Horizon.
But the bottom line here is it that according to official sources, it will exceed 320. They're at E3, they talked to everyone they could, and it's said directly in the trailer: 'Greater than 320.'
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

AGGH! They killed that s*** with this announcement! f***ing nuts...
 
I don't think so. Honestly, I think MS is waiting for Sony confirm the specs of the Neo and will then decide how much they want to increase Scorpio. 6Tflops is probably them setting the bar low, when they know they can get more out of the hardware.

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft announces an increase in hardware shortly before or shortly after Neo releases.
I doubt Sony will try to surpass the Scorpio and doubt MS will increase the Scorpio unless price isn't a issue.
 
I doubt Sony will try to surpass the Scorpio and doubt MS will increase the Scorpio unless price isn't a issue.
Premium price may be in the $399 to $500 range. Im getting my head around that for now. I agree, Sony probably wont try and pass the 6TF specs, but I do still think MS will do by next year and will be able to drop the price as the hardware will be mid range PC specs, versus High end - like they are now.
 
You don't say. I can't believe that there was so much talk about Tomb Raider's exclusivity or lack thereof or determining what angle light has to pass through a prism to illuminate one of Lara's buttcheeks in red and the other in blue, but MS somehow breaking Destiny away from being a Sony exclusive flew right over my head.

It was multiplatform since Sept. 2014. Say, when is Rise of the Tomb Raider coming to PS4?
 
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Judging from this Scorpio prototype image we can expect a very small console

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12 super fast RAM blocks ☺
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It will be funny to see the hardcore fanboys on both sides flip flop if the Scorpio is indeed more powerful that the Neo. I saw someone on neogaf say that the NX won't be 6 tflops, it will just be a flop lol
 
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It was multiplatform since Sept. 2014. Say, when is Rise of the Tomb Raider coming to PS4?

At some point, maybe consider taking off your +4 Blinders of Plastic Advocacy and stop contorting yourself so badly as to think that any of my posts you've been responded to were even remotely intended to be taken literally. If you don't, you'll screw up your eyes to the point that you'll no longer even notice the difference between PS4 and Xbox, let alone Scorpio and Neo, and what kind of life will it be then when you can't even really notice the things you pretend to notice and care about.
 
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At some point, maybe consider taking off your +4 Blinders of Plastic Advocacy and stop contorting yourself so badly as to think that any of my posts you've been responded to were even remotely intended to be taken literally. If you don't, you'll screw up your eyes to the point that you'll no longer even notice the difference between PS4 and Xbox, let alone Scorpio and Neo, and what kind of life will it be then when you can't even really notice the things you pretend to notice and care about.

Aw... troller can't take the trolling he's been dishing. Sorry. I thought you could handle it.
 
It will be funny to see the hardcore fanboys on both sides flip flop if the Scorpio is indeed more powerful that the Neo. I saw someone on neogaf say that the NX won't be 6 tflops, it will just be a flop lol

What ppl of gaf says doesn't interest us.
Plz remember this is a Scorpio thread .. Leave neo and ps out of here
Thx
 
Lets not get this thread closed like the last one. I want to see every snippet of news about Scorpio and a big thanks to Rollins, please keep up the good work posting all the juicy info from around the web, it's very much appreciated.
 
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