PS4 in stock now on Amazon
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Even if there were I doubt it'd help, MS went out of their way to really try to cater to the Japanese audience around the launch of the 360 and it didn't help at all.
Yeah Blue Dragon was pretty sweet, and I heard Lost Odyssey was even better but still didn't help MS in Japan.
Exactly.
The fact that Xbox One is on roughly even footing with the PS4 (from the numbers we've seen so far), and it's $100 more is great news. That wasn't at all a given at launch... And moving forward, there are no guarantees.
So, JinCa was simply mistaken/wrong.
You can find out and track the stock on hand, down to sell out, by adding and playing with the quantity in your cart. There are people on GAF who do this regularly and it is accurate (sad but true).
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It is misleading because of the way they worded it. Last I heard, November had 30 days and not just 9. I already broke down the numbers for you in another thread. Even when both the ps4 sells 1 million in 24 hrs and Xbox one sell 900k in 24 hrs and 100k each day after until the end of the month, the xbox one still comes out as "fastest selling". This is because the comparison method is flawed. You can't compare two selling rates that don't start and end within the same parameters.
Come on now. Do you need me to break it down for you again.
Sure you can - you just simplify it.
PS4 was out for 16 days, and sold 1.1 mill... Average of roughly 69k a day.
X1 was out for 9 days, sold .9 mill... Average of roughly 100k a day.
100k is more than 69k.
It's truthful, factual, not misleading, and completely accurate.
Now, again - we all know it doesn't mean much... But you can totally make such claims, and they make perfect sense.
Besides, it's a metric which might actually end up being interesting as time goes on...
Exactly.
MS couldn't be more clear. When a console maker is willing to go so far to break down sales into a rate (day), they are giving gamers extra analysis. They never said they sold more in total than Sony in Nov NPD, so why so many people keep claiming MS said that is probably illiterate and one of those "internet skimmers", then spending an extra 5 seconds to actually read the material.
If people want to complain about MS' PR and taking into account X1's 9 days worth of sales, then Sony's 2.1M sold by Dec 1 is just as invalid vs MS' sales claim. It's not apples to apples either as Sony released PS4 a week early in NA, then in another 30 countries at the end of Nov when MS has been at only 13 the whole time.
See? Sony's sales boasting can be just as invalidated.
So you agree that if Sony launched on the last day of November that it would be far and honest to say it sold ~1 million/day?.
Comparing them without setting the same parameters is like comparing apples to oranges. It's flawed and doesn't give any meaningful info so when Major Nelson said they were the fastest selling, the sentence is flawed because no such comparison can be made except if the xbox one was compared to itself.
It's like comparing the run times between someone running a 100 m race and someone running a 200 m race and averaging the time as meters/second and then comparing the two. Just doesn't make sense.
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I'm just glad they are both selling really well, no one can deny that.
This is mostly for fun but it shows the rate the last 1000 PS4s and PS4 bundles sold out at Amazon. Probably a combination of greater overall demand for PS4 and more Xbox supply already shipped to US.
Thank goodness they used the same parameters, then; number of days available, number of units sold, and averaged across those days. Identical parameters.
That's false.
Major Nelson stated a fact which is both true, and not misleading. All the numbers were included, and supported his claim.
.9 million / 9 = 100k.
1.1 million / 16 = 69k.
100k is higher than 69k. That means on average, X1 sold more units per day. It's very easy, straight forward math.
...It doesn't mean much, but it's completely valid, completely accurate, and completely easy to prove as such.
Exactly.
If Sony fans think MS is misleading people, Sony is no different. They said they sold 2.1M consoles on by Dec 1. Hardly a fair comparison as PS4 was launched a week early in NA and then on Nov 29, launched in 30 more countries.
As Sony fans should claim.... not a fair comparison. Sony had a timing and geographical location advantage.
Will be interesting if they put the shoe on the other foot.
Actually, it's not like that. PS4 and X1 are in the same race. It's actually a lot like this - Runner 'A' started a marathon 16 days ago, and ran 1.1 miles in a 100 mile marathon. Runner 'B' started the marathon 9 days ago, and has run .9 miles... Which pace is faster? Who's run further? How much do either numbers matter, being that it's a 100 mile marathon, and we're only 1% through it?
The number of days available isn't the same for both the PS4 and Xbox One. Adding an extra week obviously stretches the average sales / day out pretty substantially especially since the sales only accounted for the last 2 weeks of November. It may be technically true that Xbox One sold at a higher rate per day since launch but that's because you're comparing apples to oranges, different time intervals. So when you say it is the fastest selling, it is just misleading because it wasn't unless you compared it to another console that launched in the exact same time period, but guess what, there was none.
Like I said, do you compare the metres / second of someone who runs a 100m race and someone who runs a 200 m race? The answer is no.
Uh, Sony didn't compare itself to anyone? So no comparison was done here? They just said they sold 2.1 million in November, a statement.
The bottom line is MS had to say something positive about their launch and since they couldn't claim that they had the best selling machine they had to come up with some way to spin it. I don't mean to say the X1 isn't selling well because it is but it wasn't the best selling console in November and trying to claim some other type of victory is all for PR and pretty much meaningless.
You can look at this in a different light as well. Runner 'A' ran close to 1 mile in 24 hours and was energy depleted, running minimal amounts for the rest of the 15 days. Runner 'B' managed his energy and ran an average of 0.1 mile / day. Who ran the "fastest" here? Runner A who ran close to 1 mile in 24 hours or Runner B who took 9 days to get not even to 1 mile? Is it someone who ran to 1 mile in 24 hours or someone who took 9 days to get to 0.9 mile?
See how I "spun" the situation?
So you see, you can't really make a comparison like I said in regards to "fastest selling".
Your comparison fails, because it *still* shows a faster average pace for runner "B".
1.1/16 is less than .9/9. It's easy math. Not complex.
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It's not meaningless, it just doesn't mean too much... But it does mean sales are comparable, and demand is strong.
Besides, if MS manages to sell more X1's in Dec. (in NA) than Sony cam sell PS4's then it's nicer to be able to say, "X1 continues to be the fastest selling console in NA for the second month in a row" - which would be true, even if the total number of units sold was less than the total number of PS4's sold.
So, it's absolutely not meaningless, it just isn't very meaningful just yet.
That's irrelevant to average pace. That shows peak-pace performance, not average pace performance.
Average pace is total sales divided by days on the market. Xbox One wins at that for November.
It's really easy, and trivial to understand. It doesn't mean much right now, but it's true, not misleading, and factually demonstrable.
It's relevant to the "who sold the fastest". It's easy, Sony got to 1 million in 24 hours, Xbox One got to just a bit over 900k in 9 days.
It's only relevant to "who sold the fastest", if you're specifically referring to fastest peak-sales pace.
Xbox One was the fastest selling console (on average) in November.
So there you have it, looks like we've found our common ground.