I guess that's as close to it as we can get, eh?
I think so. :-)
In any case, regardless of statistical semantics, PS4 won November. Bottom line. X1 did great too. The biggest winner in November was gamers.
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I think so. :-)
In any case, regardless of statistical semantics, PS4 won November. Bottom line. X1 did great too. The biggest winner in November was gamers.
By almost every metric PS4 has more interest and demand, that should translate to more long term sales as supply issues lessen. I expect PS4 to get a global sales lead and pull ahead.
Too bad people can't reasonably talk about sales without flynn and trolls blasting the thread with worthless spin, or people insulting me because they don't understand what "supply constrained" means.
Some people's math is using voodoo mathematics. Once PS4 sold out, there weren't any more until additional shipments, so they're playing with days to make it look like Xb1 sells more per day.
It's like saying (totally fake numbers):
In a 10 day period:
PS4 sold 1 million in 1st day, next 9 days, sold nothing because there were no PS4 in stock
In the next additional 10 days:
XB1 sold 900k
PS4 still sold no more because none in stock
Looking at the above, 1 million is obviously more than 900k. Using voodoo mathematics...
PS4 sold 50k per day since it was out 20 days.
Xb1 sold 90k per day since it was out 10 days.
So......OBVIOUSLY, Xb1 is doing better because it nearly sold twice as much per day.......lol, this is some r******d math.
Flynn is indeed right about something....it's a meanlingless metric, as the above example is repeated over and over again to make it sound like XB1 is doing better.
It's like saying (totally fake numbers):
In a 10 day period:
PS4 sold 1 million in 1st day, next 9 days, sold nothing because there were no PS4 in stock
In the next additional 10 days:
XB1 sold 900k
PS4 still sold no more because none in stock
Looking at the above, 1 million is obviously more than 900k. Using voodoo mathematics...
PS4 sold 50k per day since it was out 20 days.
Xb1 sold 90k per day since it was out 10 days.
So......OBVIOUSLY, Xb1 is doing better because it nearly sold twice as much per day.......lol, this is some r******d math.
Flynn is indeed right about something....it's a meanlingless metric, as the above example is repeated over and over again to make it sound like XB1 is doing better.
No idea who is worse in this thread. The xbox fans who can't admit so far it looks like PS4 is going to outsell One or the Sony fan telling them the same f***ing thing 900 times as if this info is earth shattering or is going to change their tune.
Both systems will sell enough to have a long healthy life. 360 sold more then PS3 for years but PS3 still sold a lot and had great games this time looks like PS4 may have switched it around and the same thing will happen as last time but in reverse. both systems will get many f***ing games and be healthy in the market.
I will say when I want shopping this past weekend I saw no PS4's but did see Ones on the shelf. I'm in Canada by the way.
Both systems will sell enough to have a long healthy life. 360 sold more then PS3 for years but PS3 still sold a lot and had great games this time looks like PS4 may have switched it around and the same thing will happen as last time but in reverse. both systems will get many f***ing games and be healthy in the market.
I will say when I want shopping this past weekend I saw no PS4's but did see Ones on the shelf. I'm in Canada by the way.
I won't argue with who's worse, I know I'm pretty bad...but last I checked, PS3 sold about the same as 360, with a year less out on the market.
well I'm taking about a year ago or even 2 when 360 was in the lead. Each new system will at least sell a few million each so both will enjoy a healthy life.
PS3 sold more on average per day than 360 in 2006 by a fair metric. It sold more that year than 360 did WW.
Really? I've said over and over they're both selling well and I predicted they would both sell out of their initial shipments. Check my post history.
When the measure you're using counts a console sold for Sony as 1/16th of a console per day and one sold for MS as 1/9th of a console per day, that's simply an inaccurate comparison.
If you want to substantiate the fastest selling console, you need to pick a number of days from launch and see how many consoles were sold by each company in that number of days. My best guess is that from every value from 1 to whatever day we're on now for the XBox (32?), Sony has sold more in the same number of days. That means they're selling faster. To claim otherwise is simply spinning the numbers to represent something that is entirely counter to reality.
This is false. You do not "need" to have the same number of days in order for Major Nelson's statement to be true, especially when you're referring to monthly sales where the number of days where each console was available were not the same.
It's very simple. X1 was available for 9 days in November. PS4 was available for 16. X1 sold .9 mil, PS4 sold 1.1 mil.
X1 wins for average number of consoles sold per day in November. Bottom line.
Does it matter much? Well no, of course not... To bring back the "runner analogy", we're barely 1%-2% through a marathon... And both are selling close enough that who sold more or who sold "faster" doesn't really matter too much at this point... What does matter is that both are selling very well. If there was a bigger discrepency in sales, that might matter - but that's not what we're seeing.
LOL.. still going back and forth about MS's comment about "fastest selling." I personally think anyone being remotely reasonable would admit that while technically true, it was a dumb way to spin sales. Any time you have to argue the technicality of your statement, you are spinning something in a way that is going to make you look worse than if you just left it be. Sony had a much faster selling initial launch and sold more overall, MS should have eaten their 2nd place and just praised how well the generation is beginning.
Can't wait for December NPD's so we can move past this nonsense.
Can't wait for December NPD's so we can move past this nonsense.
That's pretty much the gist of it. It's spun to make it sound like it was selling better.
In Nov, XB1 was available for 9 days. How many PS4s sold within the first 9 days of it's release?
Still talking bout sales. Not a game, not a game. We talkin' bout sales. (Allen Iverson's rant on practice, look it up nerds)
I'll probably get a PS4 when i get my taxes back in a month or two. I'm more than happy with the Xbox One but it's awesome having choices and being able to play the best games. I feel sorry for all the people out there who stress about this nonsense.
I mean seriously, if you're spending more time posting about sales than actually playing the games you're a lost cause. The thought of posting on forums didn't even cross my mind this past weekend. I was having a blast playing Ryse and NBA 2k14. Now i've got Forza 5 to play. What's that? Another 100+ hours of gameplay if i want to get that deep into it. I don't even need another game for the next month. How some of you have time for this s*** we'll never know!
I'll probably get a PS4 when i get my taxes back in a month or two. I'm more than happy with the Xbox One but it's awesome having choices and being able to play the best games. I feel sorry for all the people out there who stress about this nonsense.
I mean seriously, if you're spending more time posting about sales than actually playing the games you're a lost cause. The thought of posting on forums didn't even cross my mind this past weekend. I was having a blast playing Ryse and NBA 2k14. Now i've got Forza 5 to play. What's that? Another 100+ hours of gameplay if i want to get that deep into it. I don't even need another game for the next month. How some of you have time for this s*** we'll never know!
The numbers themselves are technically accurate, it's the analysis of "fastest selling" that's faulty. To make the claim that it's faster selling, it has to sell faster - not just be able to slice the numbers based on an unequal comparison. It'd be like a time trial in the Tour de France having a mountain climb at the end, and saying that a racer who's behind his competitor's time at every checkpoint on the way is still "faster" because his overall mph/kph is higher - because he hasn't hit the climb yet. Similarly, the sales for the first month aren't the same from day to day - there's a heavy launch drop that's being diluted over the remainder of the month, and this "fastest selling console" nonsense is just a derivation from that dilution.
It's definitely a marathon, though. I of course am rooting for a very strong MS performance as that's the console I've selected, but I also respect what Sony's done for the industry as well. I don't think bullcrappery like parsing out "average consoles per day in November" is beneficial. Just be happy they're selling what they make, and don't worry about having some number to point to that's higher than the competition.
"I don't think bullcrappery like parsing out "average consoles per day in November" is beneficial"...
I actually agree. I don't think it's beneficial (to gamers)... So that much I think we can agree on.
Obviously, though, it is positive spin on the numbers MS has (while also being truthful/factual) and positive spin can be helpful for investors/stock holders, etc... But I do agree there's no benefit past that... And in my personal opinion, it's just not an interesting metric.
I actually agree. I don't think it's beneficial (to gamers)... So that much I think we can agree on.
Obviously, though, it is positive spin on the numbers MS has (while also being truthful/factual) and positive spin can be helpful for investors/stock holders, etc... But I do agree there's no benefit past that... And in my personal opinion, it's just not an interesting metric.
I don't know what's sold more or what's selling faster. I do know both the PS4 and Xbox One are selling great. So what's the problem? This gen is just going to be down right awesome for both Sony and Microsoft and better yet the gamers. So people should just shut up, enjoy that eggnog, and don't forget to appreciate your family and friends. It's Christmas, come on people.
Well not by the most important metrics. Look at Sony's stock price. If the smart money thought this was some huge break out product their stock would be going up. However, Sony stock is not going up, it is going down in a bull market. That says to me that the smart money thinks that the PS4 is just another game console.
Now look at Microsofts Stock. Hmmm, see the difference there? Microsoft is actually doing quite well. But still I think they are going up because of the greater bull market.
Neither console is a breakout product.
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The only country in the entire world where X1 is in the lead right now is Australia. Having the superior versions of all of the most popular games and being $100 cheaper should put the PS4 ahead for the foreseeable future