Rumored "bad news" incoming about Sony review event, game reviews, or something completely different

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http://unionvgf.com/index.php?posts/41045/

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=87628981&postcount=1056
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Wow, just wow, and ... WOW - now it all makes sense. Interesting that the "bad" news had much less to do with X1 and more with Sony (or the publisher - still unclear)....

The *other* interesting notes are from the latter post:

All this thrash over 720p vs. 1080p - again - if you're a graphics 'ho - enjoy:

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1080P or 720?

Right now most outlets are capturing in 720. So you play the game at 1080P and capture at 720 to reduce the bandwidth needed for the upload/download. This is 100% up to the publisher and NOT the console guys.

The logic here is that more people will be inclined to upload smaller files, thus more eyeballs.

I have played a single game in 1080P. If a publisher decides to go that route, they just hate money and you as gamers should punish them for it by not buying their game. $60? As a gamer I say “NO THANKS DAD, I AM A 1080P THUG”.
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- and there's a MUCH bigger underlying issue here with regards to Sony....

Admittedly I have only played with the Xbox One Retail, but I spent a long time on the PS4 dev kit.
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I doubt I'm the *only* one noticing that there have yet to be any "public" viewings of actual games running on final PS4 hardware (or even commercials?). The fact that journalists are noting this now is (IMHO) extremely telling that something's not quite right with the PS4 and it being ready for launch... who knows...

Coverage and video:

I am 100% sure that Microsoft will get a ton more coverage than Sony. There is no conspiracy theory here, the simple truth is that Sony are providing one debug unit to one video outlet in North America (I don’t know about the rest of the world) and only a select few “wordy/written/text” based outlets.

And before the question is asked, I don’t actually know why Sony doesn’t want established video outlets to have access to video footage of their console before or after launch. It has never been done before.
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The rest of the post is also very interesting from a developer point of view (my point from earlier post - it's more about the overall ecosystem and how accessible the system is from a development perspective - which, apparently, is also now coming out that Sony is less so based on these comments):

Long-Story short for developers:

I have two dogs in this race, I want both consoles to succeed because that means that I make more money and then I can make more games. I also don’t want a monopoly, both devs and gamers lose out on that score. Less games will be made.

That said, right now I am pro-Xbox from a developer perspective and I know a lot of my fellow devs feel the same way.

The reason for this is not because Steve Balmer makes my toes curl, it’s just a simple case of economics:

Developer costs using a smallish studio as an example:

Xbox One Dev Kits 10 X $500.00= $5,000.00

Sony PS4 Dev kits 10X $2,500.00= $25,000.00

So from day one that represents $20,000.00 more that I can put into the game, I know that might now sound like much, but for a small team that is HUGE.

It lowers the barrier of entry to make a game, it might work, it might not. It worked out well for Apple though.

In fairness, Sony has been great at lending developers dev kits and that is fantastic because that costs me zilch. HOWEVER, that doesn’t scale, they can’t give that to every dev in the world. They can’t give that to the kid in Iowa who is mashing the keys in his mom’s basement making a game that is going to blow us away.

Make no mistake about it, the features of both boxes will mean very little, it’s going to be all about the games that we can play.
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End result: it all comes down to software development costs, developer accessibility, and overall business economics - not this petty argument over "my system HAZ MOAR POWAR!!!!!".....

Definitely an exciting time for both consoles - get ready for a wild ride over these next several weeks .... :)
 
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Since people can't seem to keep any topic on... topic, this thread had to be made. If this thread devolves into insults, and you can't have a rational and non-confrontational discussion about this, stay the hell out and just read, don't post, in this thread.
 
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With all these twitter guys vaguely telling gamers there's bad news, maybe there isn't any after all, but they are all jumping o each other's bandwagon for hits.

Or the "bad news" is so minor, it's a non-issue. Just like like some of these guys says there's some kind of awesome announcement coming soon and when it releases, it's a let down or something already leaked 2 days earlier.
 
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Maybe Plainview can explain why this would even deserve its own thread? Is this kind of like the non-story on the front page that on day one you will have to download an update to get all of the software features (just like Flynn has confirmed Microsoft will be doing)?

If there is a definition of FUD, Plainview's story about the Firmware 1.5 would be it. Yes the OS is probably not ready yet... ON BOTH CONSOLES. Probably because they have not launched yet? But they should be ready by the time we all buy one. And this is a story on the front page focusing on Sony? What's the point of scaring gamers of problems that they probably will not even have to deal with, other than downloading a day 1 launch update?

As for this topic, if you read Marcus's post on GAF he explained that Sony's review event takes place 2 days before the launch. Independent and smaller review sites are asked to go to the review event while the bigger sites like IGN, Eurogamer etc. are being sent consoles and games for reviewing purpose. Independent guys like Sessler are mad about this. Though I feel bad for them, how does this affect me as a gamer, honestly? What are we going to discuss in here, how we wish these smaller critics could get their free consoles earlier?

Plainview you want this site to have credibility and then you post Firmware 1.5 articles disguised as FUD focusing on only one company, and then you make threads like this one that independent critics are having trouble getting review units, the latter of which is based off of cryptic tweets. Where's the front page article on all the articles and tweets from the last couple days of the lower resolutions of ACTUAL GAMES running on Xbox 1 (i.e., COD and BF4, both huge franchises), to which we have much more straightforward tweets and confirmations? You know, the stuff that will actually affect us gamers?

And to make things even worse the other front page article on this site is "Baird analyst predicts Xbox One to outsell PS4." Wow that's really news.

Face it this is an Xbox fan site run by an Xbox fanboy. I remember Plainview's posts on TXB quite well and nothing has changed. At least be honest with folks and get rid of the PS logo.
 
Yoyoniner said:
Maybe Plainview can explain why this would even deserve its own thread? Is this kind of like the non-story on the front page that on day one you will have to download an update to get all of the software features (just like Flynn has confirmed Microsoft will be doing)?

If there is a definition of FUD, Plainview's story about the Firmware 1.5 would be it. Yes the OS is probably not ready yet... ON BOTH CONSOLES. Probably because they have not launched yet? But they should be ready by the time we all buy one. And this is a story on the front page focusing on Sony? What's the point of scaring gamers of problems that they probably will not even have to deal with, other than downloading a day 1 launch update?

As for this topic, if you read Marcus's post on GAF he explained that Sony's review event takes place 2 days before the launch. Independent and smaller review sites are asked to go to the review event while the bigger sites like IGN, Eurogamer etc. are being sent consoles and games for reviewing purpose. Independent guys like Sessler are mad about this. Though I feel bad for them, how does this affect me as a gamer, honestly? What are we going to discuss in here, how we wish these smaller critics could get their free consoles earlier?

Plainview you want this site to have credibility and then you post Firmware 1.5 articles disguised as FUD focusing on only one company, and then you make threads like this one that independent critics are having trouble getting review units, the latter of which is based off of cryptic tweets. Where's the front page article on all the articles and tweets from the last couple days of the lower resolutions of ACTUAL GAMES running on Xbox 1 (i.e., COD and BF4, both huge franchises), to which we have much more straightforward tweets and confirmations? You know, the stuff that will actually affect us gamers?

And to make things even worse the other front page article on this site is "Baird analyst predicts Xbox One to outsell PS4." Wow that's really news.

Face it this is an Xbox fan site run by an Xbox fanboy. I remember Plainview's posts on TXB quite well and nothing has changed. At least be honest with folks and get rid of the PS logo.
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It's clearly written as to why this thread was created, because every other thread was going off topic.

I don't go to GAF. I don't care to I don't need to. I go by what the posters here do. A7 brought attention to this and it's deserving of its own thread, just as the resolution of Xbox One has it's own thread, because these topics were going into multiple threads. But you're to biased too even see THAT thread was created before this one.

If you don't like how these forums are run there are other options for you out there.
 
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I forget where the post is (it can be somewhere on Union or N4G or somewhere), where a guy makes a great point and that PS4s aren't ready. So Sony is trying to force all the media sites to do their Review Event. Sony is purposely not giving sites systems and games weeks beforehand (like how just about every company does) so a review can be ready to post on day one. Just about everyone so far has limited exposure ot PS4 and have still been using old dev kits while retail quality X1's have been around for a bit and even on those pick up truck tours..

Instead, they are trying to force the media to come to the event and test games and do their reviews based on their system hook ups and games on their gear. And then go home, write and article and post it based on that.
 
Maybe its about the reviewers were hoping to review the console earleri and have feedback up ASAP whereas Sony would rather have the PS4 reviewed 2 days before release
 
Yoyoniner said:
Maybe Plainview can explain why this would even deserve its own thread? Is this kind of like the non-story on the front page that on day one you will have to download an update to get all of the software features (just like Flynn has confirmed Microsoft will be doing)?

If there is a definition of FUD, Plainview's story about the Firmware 1.5 would be it. Yes the OS is probably not ready yet... ON BOTH CONSOLES. Probably because they have not launched yet? But they should be ready by the time we all buy one. And this is a story on the front page focusing on Sony? What's the point of scaring gamers of problems that they probably will not even have to deal with, other than downloading a day 1 launch update?

As for this topic, if you read Marcus's post on GAF he explained that Sony's review event takes place 2 days before the launch. Independent and smaller review sites are asked to go to the review event while the bigger sites like IGN, Eurogamer etc. are being sent consoles and games for reviewing purpose. Independent guys like Sessler are mad about this. Though I feel bad for them, how does this affect me as a gamer, honestly? What are we going to discuss in here, how we wish these smaller critics could get their free consoles earlier?

Plainview you want this site to have credibility and then you post Firmware 1.5 articles disguised as FUD focusing on only one company, and then you make threads like this one that independent critics are having trouble getting review units, the latter of which is based off of cryptic tweets. Where's the front page article on all the articles and tweets from the last couple days of the lower resolutions of ACTUAL GAMES running on Xbox 1 (i.e., COD and BF4, both huge franchises), to which we have much more straightforward tweets and confirmations? You know, the stuff that will actually affect us gamers?

And to make things even worse the other front page article on this site is "Baird analyst predicts Xbox One to outsell PS4." Wow that's really news.

Face it this is an Xbox fan site run by an Xbox fanboy. I remember Plainview's posts on TXB quite well and nothing has changed. At least be honest with folks and get rid of the PS logo.
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I'm sorry but if both consoles need Day-1 Updates, then both companies deserve some heat from the community. Right now Sony has come clean about this update, so Sony should get the heat. MS already came public about a Day-1 update & again was killed about it, so what's any different about taking Sony to task in this regard?
 
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Intellivision said:
I forget where the post is (it can be somewhere on Union or N4G or somewhere), where a guy makes a great point and that PS4s aren't ready. So Sony is trying to force all the media sites to do their Review Event. Sony is purposely not giving sites systems and games weeks beforehand (like how just about every company does) so a review can be ready to post on day one. Just about everyone so far has limited exposure ot PS4 and have still been using old dev kits while retail quality X1's have been around for a bit and even on those pick up truck tours..

Instead, they are trying to force the media to come to the event and test games and do their reviews based on their system hook ups and games on their gear. And then go home, write and article and post it based on that.
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Well then you're essentially controlling what the public will see doing things this way, versus a journalist just being able to come to his own conclusion about the hardware or software and reporting that instead. Why can't guys like Sessler and others just do their job as normal? Whats the thinking?
 
But all of that shouldn't be brought into question Intelli. Sony is God and works in mysterious ways. There's a reason for everything.

I like that Plainview puts news brought in from members and pastes in on the front page. It makes it feel more like a community effort. Plainview has also done a solid job promoting all the systems even if it is still slanted to Xbox.
 
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Intellivision said:
I forget where the post is (it can be somewhere on Union or N4G or somewhere), where a guy makes a great point and that PS4s aren't ready. So Sony is trying to force all the media sites to do their Review Event. Sony is purposely not giving sites systems and games weeks beforehand (like how just about every company does) so a review can be ready to post on day one. Just about everyone so far has limited exposure ot PS4 and have still been using old dev kits while retail quality X1's have been around for a bit and even on those pick up truck tours..

Instead, they are trying to force the media to come to the event and test games and do their reviews based on their system hook ups and games on their gear. And then go home, write and article and post it based on that.
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I don't agree with you often Intelli but it sounds like you pretty much nailed it. Since we know the operating system and all its features won't be ready until launch day, I have a feeling that is the reason why. If early reviewers are going to get a buggy OS with most of the features missing, it makes sense.

BTW I'm sorry Plainview if I upset you, but right now it feels like this site has an identity crisis. I think there is a good place and a good market for an Xbox-only fan site and I think you could run a good one. I do not think you are capable of being objective any more than I am with a cross-platform site, however, unless you do some soul searching. You make it really hard for PS fans to want to support your site. I wish you the best.
 
Dno69 said:
But all of that shouldn't be brought into question Intelli. Sony is God and works in mysterious ways. There's a reason for everything.

I like that Plainview puts news brought in from members and pastes in on the front page. It makes it feel more like a community effort. Plainview has also done a solid job promoting all the systems even if it is still slanted to Xbox.
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P.V. got dat V.P. up in da piece. ALL-UP-IN-DA-CLUB!!
 
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Ready how though? Software or hardware?
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He's hinting (darn, can't find the post... it was a long one), that a combo of getting the media to go to the review event in NY + no sites having any final retail ready PS4s = PS4s not ready to do early reviews and analysis.

Instead, game site guys have to do their test work on the most recent console and games at the event.
 
Mcmasters said:
Well then you're essentially controlling what the public will see doing things this way, versus a journalist just being able to come to his own conclusion about the hardware or software and reporting that instead. Why can't guys like Sessler and others just do their job as normal? Whats the thinking?
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People all messing around at a review event is one thing, but depending how many people there are, how many test stations there are, how much time each guy gets etc.... how are all the game site editors going to be able to have the freedom to do all their downloads, editing, DF pixel/frame rate analysis and anything else on the fly? Some of these guys probably capture tons of footage and then edit them. The event is only 2 days long.... Nov 11-12. So any editors that want a week or two to mess around with the system or games can't. They have to cram all their testing in 2 days.

Are the guys even going to be able to hook up their laptop to the tv/PS4 and do their own video captures?
 
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Yoyoniner said:
I don't agree with you often Intelli but it sounds like you pretty much nailed it. Since we know the operating system and all its features won't be ready until launch day, I have a feeling that is the reason why. If early reviewers are going to get a buggy OS with most of the features missing, it makes sense.

BTW I'm sorry Plainview if I upset you, but right now it feels like this site has an identity crisis. I think there is a good place and a good market for an Xbox-only fan site and I think you could run a good one. I do not think you are capable of being objective any more than I am with a cross-platform site, however, unless you do some soul searching. You make it really hard for PS fans to want to support your site. I wish you the best.
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You're wrong. You're biased. You only see what you want to see. Move along if you don't like the site. Simple.
 
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I'm sure the journalist will get some nice free stuff while doing their honest reviews of the system and games at the event.
 
marcus beer is angry about everything.
sessler seems to be upset cause he has to review 3 games in 2 days.

i dont see other media outlets upset...... think it's a mix of beer always being angry and sessler having sand in his crotch.
 
Yoyoniner said:
I don't agree with you often Intelli but it sounds like you pretty much nailed it. Since we know the operating system and all its features won't be ready until launch day, I have a feeling that is the reason why. If early reviewers are going to get a buggy OS with most of the features missing, it makes sense.

BTW I'm sorry Plainview if I upset you, but right now it feels like this site has an identity crisis. I think there is a good place and a good market for an Xbox-only fan site and I think you could run a good one. I do not think you are capable of being objective any more than I am with a cross-platform site, however, unless you do some soul searching. You make it really hard for PS fans to want to support your site. I wish you the best.
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Wait, wha?!? o_O

Thats deep mate! PV is actually keeping things pretty fair if we're being honest. When bad news or rumors ran rampant on the X1, PV allowed the topic to be discussed as well as the other mods. This new ordeal specifically surrounds Sony at this time and because its bad news, you go up in arms about it and scream biased. Pfft...

Thats pretty laim Yoyo. X1 fans took a lot of flack from you and others when things weren't going so well for Microsoft. But now that the tables are reversed, you whine about it? Those are double standards mate and I for one define that as weak character. I'm not sure what PV and the others will do with you, but Im putting you on ignore. Not impressed...
 
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Lots of conjecture and rumor. Need more information.
 
Intellivision said:
People all messing around at a review event is one thing, but depending how many people there are, how many test stations there are, how much time each guy gets etc.... how are all the game site editors going to be able to have the freedom to do all their downloads, editing, DF pixel/frame rate analysis and anything else on the fly? Some of these guys probably capture tons of footage and then edit them. The event is only 2 days long.... Nov 11-12. So any editors that want a week or two to mess around with the system or games can't. They have to cram all their testing in 2 days.

Are the guys even going to be able to hook up their laptop to the tv/PS4 and do their own video captures?
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Is Microsoft doing anything like this? Sounds awfully fishy to me mate. Thats a totally controlled environment where Sony can paint any picture they want to paint for the public. But will it be the truth of things as they are? Thats the important question...
 
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