Rumored "bad news" incoming about Sony review event, game reviews, or something completely different

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If there is a definition of FUD, Plainview's story about the Firmware 1.5 would be it. Yes the OS is probably not ready yet... ON BOTH CONSOLES. Probably because they have not launched yet? But they should be ready by the time we all buy one. And this is a story on the front page focusing on Sony? What's the point of scaring gamers of problems that they probably will not even have to deal with, other than downloading a day 1 launch update?

The fact that there is a significant download is news. It's not major news nor is it anything to knock Sony over, and if I recall correctly Intelli got himself a well-earned thread ban because he was trying to turn it into the type of crap that we don't want here. But the news itself is absolutely worthy of posting and intelligent discussion is welcomed.

As for this topic, if you read Marcus's post on GAF he explained that Sony's review event takes place 2 days before the launch. Independent and smaller review sites are asked to go to the review event while the bigger sites like IGN, Eurogamer etc. are being sent consoles and games for reviewing purpose. Independent guys like Sessler are mad about this. Though I feel bad for them, how does this affect me as a gamer, honestly? What are we going to discuss in here, how we wish these smaller critics could get their free consoles earlier?

Do we know IGN is receiving consoles, though? I know they've received the invitation to the event because the first place I heard about it was ... IGN:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/25/today-playstation-sent-ign-an-interesting-message

Plainview you want this site to have credibility and then you post Firmware 1.5 articles disguised as FUD focusing on only one company, and then you make threads like this one that independent critics are having trouble getting review units, the latter of which is based off of cryptic tweets. Where's the front page article on all the articles and tweets from the last couple days of the lower resolutions of ACTUAL GAMES running on Xbox 1 (i.e., COD and BF4, both huge franchises), to which we have much more straightforward tweets and confirmations? You know, the stuff that will actually affect us gamers?

And to make things even worse the other front page article on this site is "Baird analyst predicts Xbox One to outsell PS4." Wow that's really news.

Face it this is an Xbox fan site run by an Xbox fanboy. I remember Plainview's posts on TXB quite well and nothing has changed. At least be honest with folks and get rid of the PS logo.

Yep, this site is a lost cause. Maybe you should focus on saving Sony from running all that anti-PS4 FUD:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/25/ps4-system-software-update-1-50-details/

You know, it's a shame that companies like Sony are getting free reign to bash the PS4. Disgusting. They couldn't even wait to post it until anonymous devs or the GAFsphere were able to "confirm" it.

And though it's not directly on topic and frankly shouldn't be posted and you don't seem worth the effort in the first place, here goes. You'd have to be an absolute hypocrite or just completely oblivious to simultaneously spend as much time as you did yesterday in the XB threads bleating the 720p rumors as if they were truth, but call out Plainview for posting FUD by reporting something that's direct from Sony itself. Anyone who demonstrates such a disregard for the difference between things that are true and the things they want to be true is the last person that should be bashing PV.
 
I'm sure the journalist will get some nice free stuff while doing their honest reviews of the system and games at the event.

I guess they don't have the option of doing a review of the system once it is actually released? If he/she doesn't want to go to the "event" because they think that they will be brainwashed, by all means they should probably stay at home and wait until the 15th. That's when I will be forming my own opinion on my console of choice this gen.
 
I guess they don't have the option of doing a review of the system once it is actually released? If he/she doesn't want to go to the "event" because they think that they will be brainwashed, by all means they should probably stay at home and wait until the 15th. That's when I will be forming my own opinion on my console of choice this gen.

Yeah that's an option. Not a good one though.
 
I guess they don't have the option of doing a review of the system once it is actually released? If he/she doesn't want to go to the "event" because they think that they will be brainwashed, by all means they should probably stay at home and wait until the 15th. That's when I will be forming my own opinion on my console of choice this gen.
You mean you're not gonna wait for sessler and marcus's to review the ps4 before you make your purchase? ;)
 
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And to make things even worse the other front page article on this site is "Baird analyst predicts Xbox One to outsell PS4." Wow that's really news.

Face it this is an Xbox fan site run by an Xbox fanboy. I remember Plainview's posts on TXB quite well and nothing has changed. At least be honest with folks and get rid of the PS logo.

Nice amendment to your post Yoy. The additional 2 paragraphs you added at the end of the post show your true colours which side of the fence you are.

Enough for now. Off to lunch and shopping. I'll be back at night. Big dinner tonight at my bro's place.
 
My post above about media/review events is a good article read. You guys should take a skim of it.... hope that post doesn't get lost in all these other posts.
 
I guess they don't have the option of doing a review of the system once it is actually released? If he/she doesn't want to go to the "event" because they think that they will be brainwashed, by all means they should probably stay at home and wait until the 15th. That's when I will be forming my own opinion on my console of choice this gen.

I'm sure they do, but if the guys going to the event can post their reviews on the 12th, how many page views will they lose by not being able to have a review until the 15th or later?

(edit to fix the date mixup - the PS4 event for the PS games is the 11th and 12th)
 
Maybe Plainview can explain why this would even deserve its own thread? Is this kind of like the non-story on the front page that on day one you will have to download an update to get all of the software features (just like Flynn has confirmed Microsoft will be doing)?

No, he's trying to split off-topic discussion (originating where, I'm not sure) into a separate thread, so it doesn't derail the original thread. At least I think that's what's happening.

If there is a definition of FUD, Plainview's story about the Firmware 1.5 would be it.

Nah, that's unfair. I think people made too much out of that story, but it is newsworthy.

And this is a story on the front page focusing on Sony? What's the point of scaring gamers of problems that they probably will not even have to deal with, other than downloading a day 1 launch update?

I'm not seeing where it is "scaring" gamers. Gamers (X1 fans mostly) are making a lot of hay out of it, but that's to be expected. It doesn't effect anyone who has an internet connection, i.e., it affects no one here.

As for this topic, if you read Marcus's post on GAF he explained that Sony's review event takes place 2 days before the launch. Independent and smaller review sites are asked to go to the review event while the bigger sites like IGN, Eurogamer etc. are being sent consoles and games for reviewing purpose. Independent guys like Sessler are mad about this. Though I feel bad for them, how does this affect me as a gamer, honestly?

Yeah, I don't know what these tweets and rumors mean. I think it's unclear at this point. Sessler did say it wouldn't affect gamers, and so I'm not going to leap to the conclusion that it will. But gamers like to get up in arms about stuff, especially around console launches.

Where's the front page article on all the articles and tweets from the last couple days of the lower resolutions of ACTUAL GAMES running on Xbox 1 (i.e., COD and BF4, both huge franchises), to which we have much more straightforward tweets and confirmations? You know, the stuff that will actually affect us gamers?

He actually split that off into another thread, just like he did with this one, for a similar reason. I think of it as the bastard child of the tickle fight thread.

And to make things even worse the other front page article on this site is "Baird analyst predicts Xbox One to outsell PS4." Wow that's really news.

I know what you're saying, but in a sense it is news, because pretty much everyone else is predicting the opposite.

Face it this is an Xbox fan site run by an Xbox fanboy. I remember Plainview's posts on TXB quite well and nothing has changed. At least be honest with folks and get rid of the PS logo.

Nah, I disagree. Plainview favors the Xbox but is not a fanboy. Everyone has a bias or a preference, it doesn't make them a "fanboy." Just a couple counter-examples: he cracks down on Xbox threads all the time, and when I told him I was going to a zero-tolerance policy for trolling in PS threads (not something that necessarily happens on the Xbox side), he offered no resistance. I would also point out that most of his active moderators are either platform-agnostic or PS-leaning.

I don't want this to become a discussion about Plainview and site policies, though, so let's leave it there, please. :)
 
Bottom line, I don't care one bit about the "woes" of these gaming "journalists". They have been paid shills for years now and with the ability for everyone to easily stream games this gen, they see the writing on the wall.
 
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That would really be a bit of an inconvenience to me personally, if I had to leave the comforts of my own home just to sit in a motel room to play a game. But I guess if it were part of the job, you gotta do what you gotta do...

To be fair though, it really says something when we're speaking on the actual hardware itself. In this instance, with launch just around the corner, is it disagreeable to believe Sony wants to control the hardware perspective as well? Games, I can sort of understand but this is the actual hardware (although that may not be completely true as no one has seen a retail Ps4 yet) that will also be under a microscope along with Sony's first party games--as it should be I might add.

In other news....

Dear god that Pseye is small! I had no idea...
 
Nice amendment to your post Yoy. The additional 2 paragraphs you added at the end of the post show your true colours which side of the fence you are.

Enough for now. Off to lunch and shopping. I'll be back at night. Big dinner tonight at my bro's place.

I amended the post within one minute, you must have missed. Plainview didn't.

I admit that I'm biased. My true colors are out there for all to see, never pretended otherwise. I just wish the owner of this site would do the same. Instead we have two leading Sony FUD articles on the front page and a new thread about how independent reviewers like Sessler can't get their free PS4 review units until launch day.
 
I'm sure they do, but if the guys going to the event can post their reviews on the 12th, how many page views will they lose by not being able to have a review until the 15th or later?
Exactly. That was my point. All this chatter is about is "page views" and who can get the info out the quickest. Does it effect guys like Sessler? Sure it does and he has a right to voice his displeasure. Does it effect me, not the least bit.
 
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I amended the post within one minute, you must have missed. Plainview didn't.

I admit that I'm biased. My true colors are out there for all to see, never pretended otherwise. I just wish the owner of this site would do the same. Instead we have two leading Sony FUD articles on the front page and a new thread about how independent reviewers like Sessler can't get their free PS4 review units until launch day.
Providing the truth, regardless of positive/negative is not FUD. Posting update contents of the day one patch is useful information and is in no way FUD. Just because you don't like what it says does not make it FUD.

Regarding the topic. Yeah the apparent closed environment settings only affect a handful of reviewers who do a certain kind of review (as Sess mentioned on twitter),Beer seems to be angry about the shadiness of it all, Sess is upset because this type of decision would limit his ability to do his job, he is probably feeling at the moment that his job may be in question.
 
Exactly. That was my point. All this chatter is about is "page views" and who can get the info out the quickest. Does it effect guys like Sessler? Sure it does and he has a right to voice his displeasure. Does it effect me, not the least bit.

Agreed. But is this the first time something like this has been done with actual hardware? This isnt a developer, this is Sony and its near the launch of the Ps4. We all expect reviews about the hardware and software, especially at a crucial time like this. I'd prefer an opinion from a developer who was given free reign to judge both as he saw fit, as unbiased as possible. Maybe thats just me... And I'm fine with that. Won't be the first time. :D
 
I amended the post within one minute, you must have missed. Plainview didn't.

I admit that I'm biased. My true colors are out there for all to see, never pretended otherwise. I just wish the owner of this site would do the same. Instead we have two leading Sony FUD articles on the front page and a new thread about how independent reviewers like Sessler can't get their free PS4 review units until launch day.

Okay, and that's going to be your last mention of Plainview and site policies in this thread.

p.s. Added a question mark to the thread title. Felt like it was needed.
 
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There is nothing wrong with review events, the platform holder wants to control the message and give it in the best possible light. But I do have a problem with journalists not able to get hold of review units to do their own independent analysis. This is what Sony is doing and I don't know why, perhaps they are not able to produce enough units? buggy software/hardware? who knows.
 
The reality is this is not only a place to talk video games, but to keep each other up to date on what's going on.

This is what PV did with this update. Personally that's what I'm looking for from this site or any VG site I visit
 
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Review embargoes. That fickle condition of getting a game early.

In exchange for receiving a copy of a game before release, reviewers and outlets are pretty much always placed under an embargo – an agreement upon a certain time that review coverage cannot be published before. The publisher (or PR firm, or indie dev) who distributes the game will generally say – here’s the game, here’s how to play or install it, here are some things we don’t want you to talk about (spoilers, plot points, surprise mechanics, exact item numbers or enemy descriptions etc. – nothing scandalous), and here is the time that all discussion of the game must remain private until.

This time frames is different for every game. Sometimes you get weeks to play a game until the embargo lifts. Sometimes days. Sometimes the embargo lifts weeks before the game releases. Sometimes not until the game releases. Sometimes they’re global, sometimes they’re regional. And, in a bizarre situation this week, sometimes the embargo doesn’t lift until AFTER the game releases.

I’m talking about Batman: Arkham Origins (our review pending) in this last instance.

Essentially, some outlets received Batman: Arkham Origins early for purposes of review (some, including some very high profile sites, didn’t – this is a completely different boiler of ichthyoids). They agreed that they would not publish their reviews until after a certain date. Details get a bit fuzzy here – was the date changed, was it not – either way, the embargo date ended up being about half a day or more AFTER the release of the game. This left the bizarre situation where an outlet could conceivably buy the game at retail, play it, write the review, and publish it all before “official” reviews from sites still under embargo could be released. Strange, non?

This led somewhat of a twitterstorm yesterday, the crux of which was – why embargo?

There are some very strong arguments both for and against embargoes. I’ll take you through a few of the main ones.

Positives are that they’re the great leveller. Big sites, small sites – all have equal chance to release their review coverage at the same time. It’s fairer for all outlets to do this, as you don’t get sites who get the game earlier, or have more or faster reviewers, releasing their coverage first and scooping less well-resourced sites, making the scrabble for hits an even playing field. It also ensures the game gets a fairer evaluation, as nobody is rushing to produce the first review and perhaps cutting corners during gameplay. All sites get (mostly) the same amount of time to play and review a game, and it’s generally a long-enough time to complete the game once, meaning we have a more complete and fair take on what the game can offer.

The negatives are the control it exerts over sites. Primarily, we can’t tell potential purchasers that a product is bad before embargo lifts. Legally we can’t. Day one purchases are a big business, and if an embargo doesn’t lift until the day of release, then we have less chance of informing customers of potential pitfalls early enough. More abstractly, it shows that reviewers and game sites who are in contact with publishers, PR companies, and developers have to follow some rules set by those who distribute that content. There are restrictions we have to abide by, set by those with a clear bias. It hints at possible collusion between the two factions – that perhaps a “bad” review might lead to getting cut-off in the future. It’s a reminder that there is a man behind the proverbial curtain, and that we occasionally can’t help but pay attention.

Even if there is absolutely no wilful collusion between certain outlets and publishers, it doesn’t look good. It looks like reviewers are in the pocket of the publishers. It looks bad.

I’m tentatively pro-embargoes. They enable OnlySP to have a chance to compete on important aggregate sites and social networks. We get a share of hits for our reviews that we may not get otherwise. Our reviews are always well-trafficked, but they’re always better trafficked when we get our reviews out at embargo and into those content distribution streams quickly. The anticipation of the reviews going up helps us tangibly.

Arkham Origins was an anomaly. Most review embargoes lift at or before release. It’s a rare problematic situation that, as far as I can tell, had no exit.

I haven’t read the Arkham Origins review embargo agreement. I don’t know the exact terms of it. I would hazard a suggestion, though – have an exit clause in case of official release. Some embargoes allow for sites to break embargo in situations where it impinges on a site’s competitiveness – i.e. another site breaks embargo first. In this case, an escape clause saying that reviews could go up in the case of release specifically might have helped. Again though, I was not privy to the specific details of Arkham Origins’ embargo agreement.

I completely recognise that it can look problematic for sites to be told when to release content, and I’d rather not be told by a publisher with a stake when it can go up, but, honestly, they’re always pretty reasonable. I’ve never been asked not to write about a bug or a flaw, never been told to avoid a negative story element (unless it’s a specific spoiler, and that can be talked about in general), never been told that my content is being controlled by them other than the publish date and stuff I wouldn’t spoil for you readers anyway. If embargoes are the only leash around my neck as a reviewer, I’m pretty much okay with that. Embargoes are an unavoidable part of the reviewing industry, but they’re mostly a pragmatic solution to some difficult to resolve problems for reviewers and publishers.


Interesting read!
 
Bottom line, I don't care one bit about the "woes" of these gaming "journalists". They have been paid shills for years now and with the ability for everyone to easily stream games this gen, they see the writing on the wall.
BLAM!
 
Bottom line, I don't care one bit about the "woes" of these gaming "journalists". They have been paid shills for years now and with the ability for everyone to easily stream games this gen, they see the writing on the wall.

Uh, wut?o_O

Journalists will still get an early copy/review event of a game and review it before any consumer gets their hands on it. Thus, business as usual.

You don't care one bit but try to imagine this industry without them? Just sayin.... The written word has power. Good or bad, journalists are necessary.
 
Was Sessler not invited to the review event or something, why is he acting like his life has been ruined?
 
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