Sales Comparisons v. 1.7
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Why can't we have people congratulating Microsoft on such an achievement?
Where is that?
Frankly I'm shocked they sold that much considering how rampant the widespread negativity/resolution gating/ going on.
Why can't people be happy for healthy console growth even if you don't like said console.
Nope. Instead we have people who can't enter a thread without taking potshots and crapping on it all.
This is why we can't have nice things.
It is obvious Sony is still leading worldwide in sales, and that merits constructive discussion, but damnit some of you folks need to put your bias aside and acknowledge an incredible feat when it is executed.
Microsoft dominated. Nothing more can be said and nothing less can be argued.
Where is that?
Frankly I'm shocked they sold that much considering how rampant the widespread negativity/resolution gating/ going on.
Why can't people be happy for healthy console growth even if you don't like said console.
Nope. Instead we have people who can't enter a thread without taking potshots and crapping on it all.
This is why we can't have nice things.
It is obvious Sony is still leading worldwide in sales, and that merits constructive discussion, but damnit some of you folks need to put your bias aside and acknowledge an incredible feat when it is executed.
Microsoft dominated. Nothing more can be said and nothing less can be argued.
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Congratulations is not part of the internet vernacular.
Personally, I am not shocked at how well it did. Couple the big price drop the console has seen over less than a year with the crazy software bundles of up to 4 games, including huge names like Halo & COD, and its success seems obvious.
"This is why we can not have nice things," but we can have nice things, we have two nice consoles to enjoy...well, some of us can enjoy. Some seem hell-bent on going steady with just one.
I have both and enjoy both. It's the fanatical tools that ruin it. Yes, I have been one of them, if only to even out the sides. Some of the stuff said in these threads needs a ridiculous counter response, that's where I come in.
Enjoy gaming and STFU
Enjoy gaming and STFU
Yeah... My man brings a bunch of conjecture to the thread I notice. No sources, no links, just POP!! Right from the ass. Then it's just there... Like a puppy took a crap in the living room. All you can do is just stand in awe for a beat or so.
Well done MS in US & UK. I mentioned before that they have not been putting effort here in Germany. Here are some picture I took last week. There is no promotion when they have new bundles, & desperate selling far less than PS4, they did not lower the price. (only a side note, Sony bundle usually include physical game (because you can sell it) hence is a bit more value than the digital download that MS like to give out)
Sony make sure you know they have a new bundles, by making some booth as shown (They did it for Watchdog, they did it for Destiny, GTA5 & maybe some other I missed) The booth should be surrounded by the bundle consoles, but you did not see it as it all sold out.
Also to point out that non bundle console hardly sell here, so the 399€ PS4 will not sell much, while good bundles (bad ones are include Knack or singstar) sell out fast. This show people are looking for good deal. Seems logical that if MS offer a better deal, people will considered? Who knows that MS team is thinking over here.
Sony make sure you know they have a new bundles, by making some booth as shown (They did it for Watchdog, they did it for Destiny, GTA5 & maybe some other I missed) The booth should be surrounded by the bundle consoles, but you did not see it as it all sold out.
Also to point out that non bundle console hardly sell here, so the 399€ PS4 will not sell much, while good bundles (bad ones are include Knack or singstar) sell out fast. This show people are looking for good deal. Seems logical that if MS offer a better deal, people will considered? Who knows that MS team is thinking over here.
dropping prices to gain sales is a achievement?
The deals are great for the consumers but who didn't think they would gain sales by doing this and is this brag worthy? It paints a negative picture as most consumers don't prefer the Xbox unless the price is lower.
All things said.... They softened the blow/closed the NA gap somewhat which is very good/important for them. In that regard congrats to them.
Imo both will have almost the same NPD sales in Dec.
I already provided information regarding Sony's domination in Europe: Most up to date sales:
Germany:
PS4 at 1m
XB1 around 170k
France:
PS4 is 300k,
XB1 120k
Spain:
PS4 is 360k
XB1 51k,
Italy: the PS4 has 74% of Next Gen marketshare and is expected to have 500k sales by end of the year.
Australia: PS4 fastest selling console in Australian history, number 1 in next gen market.
India: XB1 sales below 1500, PS4 estimated to reach 50,000 sales by the end of 2014.
There are probably more that I could find.
Germany:
PS4 at 1m
XB1 around 170k
France:
PS4 is 300k,
XB1 120k
Spain:
PS4 is 360k
XB1 51k,
Italy: the PS4 has 74% of Next Gen marketshare and is expected to have 500k sales by end of the year.
Australia: PS4 fastest selling console in Australian history, number 1 in next gen market.
India: XB1 sales below 1500, PS4 estimated to reach 50,000 sales by the end of 2014.
There are probably more that I could find.
The gap in the USA for 2014 is down to just over half a million. Yes, I keep an Excel spreadsheet with NPD numbers on. Why? 'cause I'm a nerd innit?
Those are rather irrelevant to the predominant issue. The issue is people stating as fact the PS4 outsold the X1 WW during November. There are no numbers to support that to make it a fact. If people just used the right words they could avoid such silly arguments. For example: A typical idiot response, "PS4 outsold X1 WW in November," or, "PS4 increased its lead during Novemeber." Now, look how easy it is to not only be truthful, but also add some meaning to the discussion. "PS4 likely outsold X1 WW in November," or " PS4 probably increased its lead in November." both examples stay true to sale trends, but they do not present themselves as fact, just as well informed opinion.
IMO
There is absolutely no way of proving it really, these other countries don't really keep track of sales like the US and UK do, the only way we can extrapolate from it is through each console worldwide sales. Still most of those stats I posted are pretty recent, most from august,september or october.
Now with the Xbox One sales doing so well worldwide and closing the gap worldwide, I think it would be smart for MS to NOT change the price back or remove bundles. They have a lot of catching up to do still. Reducing the gap isn't good enough. They need to CLOSE the gap, get on even ground and remain competitive.
It will be very difficult for them to put the price back up in January and lose momentum, especially as the price drop include the game bundled consoles.
It must have cost millions of dollars to take a hit on console revenue and profit, however, at the same time they increased installed base and added or retained Live Gold memberships and sold additional games by attach rate.
I think the price will go back up but not to $399, I reckon they will settle at $379 for stand alone models just to have the price advantage on Sony. The bundles will go back up to 'full price'.
Xbox outsold PS4 by ~400k in the US, and by a smaller amount in the UK in November. PS4 has been regularly outselling Xbox in global sales by far more than 400k pretty much every month this year. That's how it gained its ~2:1 lead after ending 2013 at 3 million to 4.2 million.
November isn't an exception, Xbox sales are poor outside of the US and UK and Xbox wasn't running black friday deals outside of the US. The rest of the world outside of US and UK will ensure PS4 outsells Xbox in global sales every month and year this generation.
Xbox sales are poor outside of the US and UK. The worldwide sales gap is growing and will continue to grow. The temporary US price cuts are set to expire at the end of December, despite wishful thinking. Xbox will never close the worldwide sales gap this generation.
November isn't an exception, Xbox sales are poor outside of the US and UK and Xbox wasn't running black friday deals outside of the US. The rest of the world outside of US and UK will ensure PS4 outsells Xbox in global sales every month and year this generation.
Xbox sales are poor outside of the US and UK. The worldwide sales gap is growing and will continue to grow. The temporary US price cuts are set to expire at the end of December, despite wishful thinking. Xbox will never close the worldwide sales gap this generation.
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Not much of an achievement if you ask me. For starters, a shat load of people already owned the PS4. Then, the XB1 needed to drop down to 330, with 3 games bundled and, some places offering a $50 gift card on top of all that.
Hell, as Flynn put it, you could have gotten the One for $15.
That's not an achievement.....that was expectation. Anything less would have been incredibly sad. I mean, the One was practically being given away.
The sales themselves were great....but honestly, like I said, good month in NA was expected.
If you can not prove it, how can you ever imply or state it as a fact ? Which has been the stupid discussion since the latest NPD numbers. Seriously, who can argue with, "PS4 probably outside X1 WW." You can not argue against it. Ergo, why not say that instead. You make your point, You do not look like an idiot doing it, and could save 10 pages of stupidity.
It is amazing what one simple word can achieve, don't you think ?
Expects to receive another Valliance 'funny' rating.
What happen now is XBOX did better than PS4 by about 33% or so in US & UK, which is maybe 40-45% of WW market share. However its also true that Sony is selling by multiples (2X or more) compare to X1 in continental Europe , & also better outside Europe & NA (but by less margin).
While Europe do not have Black friday (other than UK I guess), we are still having Holidays period here, where sales are traditionally higher.
Its probably unlikely that X1 close the absolute gap (units sold) WW (They have to sell absolute units more than Sony in Nov), but probably close the sales ratio though. Instead of 2:1 in Sony favor, it may be now 2 : 1.4 or something (just for illustration sake .
What I just cannot understand is, know a price drop is successful, why didn't MS drop the price here (which cost 30% or so more than US (before discount) to begin with) !
While Europe do not have Black friday (other than UK I guess), we are still having Holidays period here, where sales are traditionally higher.
Its probably unlikely that X1 close the absolute gap (units sold) WW (They have to sell absolute units more than Sony in Nov), but probably close the sales ratio though. Instead of 2:1 in Sony favor, it may be now 2 : 1.4 or something (just for illustration sake .
What I just cannot understand is, know a price drop is successful, why didn't MS drop the price here (which cost 30% or so more than US (before discount) to begin with) !
This is called selling, even the Xbox 360 in its second year had price cuts and you could pickup the premium for £249 and core for £179. Not MS fault if Sony blew their load on them GDDR5 chips and cant afford the price cuts & bundles.
An incredible feat? Microsoft is basically giving Xbox ones away. They're taking a massive hit on each console sold, which isn't healthy. They don't have any exclusives for the next 11 months.
Sony knows how to run a respectable operation. It's time to salute them for it.
Someone: MS needs to do something to catch Sony in USA. They need to drop price below PS4 because its lesser technology.
MS drops price and gives two games free which Sony follows by giving two free games.
MS outsells Sony easily
Someone: Pfft. MS is desperate. They had to give away consoles. Sony still wins.
MS drops price and gives two games free which Sony follows by giving two free games.
MS outsells Sony easily
Someone: Pfft. MS is desperate. They had to give away consoles. Sony still wins.
And you wonder why nobody here takes you serious. Maybe if you didn't spew out endless lie after lie you would hold some credibility here. Until then your posts are just wasted space with a touch of entertainment.
Actually, it is healthy. It's called adjusting your sales strategy and dominating the competition while the other guy stands still and doesn't do much aside from the usual pack in game deal every console gets when it nears holiday time. While just about every company and industry out there starts to wheel and deal for big deals, Sony arrogance stands pat tossing in a few games which is simply the norm.
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MS does have exclusives. List your sources that X1 has no exclusives for the next 11 months.
As for running a respectable operation, MS is doing just fine. Since you want to bring up profitability and income statements into threads talking about general top line sales, then sure. MS consistently earns about $70-80 billion in sales and $20+ billion in profits every year. Sony earns roughly the same top lines sales as MS does.... but has been losing billions every years for the past 5, 6 or 7 years.
To put it in perspective, even your neighbourhood mom and pop no-name burger joint or convenience makes more profit. If they didn't, small businesses like that would be closed down already.
So in essence, lots of small businesses with zero branding, small sales, and family run operates more successfully than a Japanese corporation with billions of sales, tons of products and global branding. yet with all of this, they somehow still lose money. lol. A classic example of poor operations, bloated workforce, and inefficient overhead and product costs. The sales are there, but it's not translating into even a dime of profit.
I don't run a business, yet even I'm more profitable. All the money I leave in the bank, investments and company plans earns money every year while I do nothing. My assets increase every year, so in terms of profitability, even I'm more profitable than Sony. LOL
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