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Yeah. Matrtricks response is no where near as bad as those that came from Sony. Hell no.

Right,basically saying "too bad" to military personnel is way worse than two jobs, especially in your biggest market that has worlds most powerful military
 
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Sorry if this has been brought up. Doing my bing points, and all of a sudden dX12 pops ups, and cloud as NEWS. So basically the articles saying dx12 is doing a major upgrade for the X1 and MS is figuring out latency issue for cloud

So is this stuff legit?
First DX12


DirectX 12 For Xbox One Could Help CPU Utilization By 50%, Arrives Holiday 2015
AUTHOR: WILLIAM USHER
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So DirectX 12 was showcased during this year's Game Developer's Conference. New information has indicated that the API is aiming to work like a low-level access tool for developers, possibly as Microsoft's attempt to compete with AMD's Mantle.

Gaming Bolt did a nice rundown of the new info that came out of Microsoft's DirectX presentation, where they revealed that the new API will be better optimized to bring CPU utilization down by more than 50%, even for the Xbox One. That's great news for CPU intensive games. It's too bad the Xbox One's problems aren't CPU intensive.

I'll get back to the Xbox One utilization in a bit.

DirectX 12 will also be fine-tuned for mobile and multi-GPU use. This means that the Glorious PC Master Race members running two or three different graphics processing units, either in SLI or CrossFire, will be able to see massive performance gains from DirectX 12 (theoretically). Some of you might know that when running a lot of DX-reliant games either in Xfire or SLI, you sometimes get worse performance than when running on a single card. Supposedly, DirectX 12 will fix this issue and finally stabilize compatibility for those of us who like to pump out twice the amount of power with multiple GPUs.

One of the things that really bothers me, though, is that despite DX12 being designed for mobile processing units and the latest tablet-based APUs, there's no word that DX12 will be made to support Windows 7, very much like DirectX 11.2. Technically, this makes absolutely zero sense that you would have an API designed for mobile devices – many of them running Android operating systems – but it won't be available for Windows 7? Seriously? The only reason I can see this being done is to force adoption of Windows 8, which will be the primary platform for DirectX 12, alongside other metro-based operating systems, like the Xbox One and devices running Smartglass.

Microsoft also demoed Forza 5 (a game that's already running 1080p at 60fps) on aGTX Titan Black at 60fps to show the power and compatibility of DX12, as reported byWCCF Tech, but that seems like a moot point. Unless they reversed the effects ofThe Forzaning, I don't think anyone cares.


NOW CLOUD.

Although Microsoft have been pushing the power of the cloud ever since the Xbox One’s announcement, we have yet to see anything that will help the console push barriers. Granted that Microsoft have showcased a single tech demonstration that gives us a good taste of the cloud’s potential but then again players need to see something in action to have faith in this technology.

Even if Microsoft is able to implement cloud powered games on the Xbox One, they still have to beat the biggest beast of them all, latency. Simply put, majority of the locations across the world, including some places in the USA, do not have latency free connections. Ever a round trip latency of 100 milliseconds will create issues for seamless cloud gameplay. In short, if you are cloud gaming developer, latency is your nightmare and this is perhaps one of the reasons why we may actually never see cloud powered games on the Xbox One in the future. However Microsoft is working to resolving this issue.

In a research paper published by Microsoft, the development team is working on DeLorean. DeLorean is an execution system that is able to cover up or mask latency up to 250 milliseconds. The system’s algorithm is based on predicting future inputs, state space subsampling and time shifting, and misprediction compensation. It also includes algorithms for bandwidth compression which is crucial as it will reduce download times and improve response times.

DeLorean does not work on buffering the games but instead depends on mitigating latency via speculative execution. The system considers the user’s historical actions and based on accumulative data, the system decides a list of actions that are highly predictable. But what about actions that cannot be predicted? For that purpose, state space subsampling and time shifting is used to predict a long list of user actions. State space subsampling also helps in narrowing the important data only, saving bandwidth in the process.

Now there might be a possibility that the predictions were not correct and in this case the system will correct that frame using interpolation. This process is called misprediction compensation and it employs a checkpoint system to recover the data in case of an error. And lastly, the system uses a custom video encoding scheme that will save bandwidth.

The developers have already tested out DeLorean games like DOOM 3 and Fable 3, and according to the research paper the results have been satisfying. We encourage you through the research paper as it has additional information regarding the underlying architecture of DeLorean.


Well Phil Spencer said it would not be a big change for one so who knows on the DX12. On the cloud again who knows it's it's still in testing seems to be a ways off to be used on the One. Seems most sites are just making up BS about both things when it comes to One to make story's.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/06...explains-expectations-from-1st-party-studios/
 
I honestly saw nothing wrong with presenting other features of the XB1 before the games. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that games were a huge part of the new console, and they stated that with the first initial reveal. The first impression was actually a very good one! So good in fact, that many thought the features we were seeing with voice and motion control navigating through the UI was a hoax. "Yo, had a remote in his pocket", and such.

I expected games too, being a gamer and all. But I also understood that they would be there in full glory at E3, and it happened just as I predicted. No matter when they revealed the games, they still had the best showing of the bunch. That was pretty much destiny. Microsoft held their own special event, bank rolled by them to show off the entertainment features for the X1 which I think was the perfect time to do so, seeing as if they wouldve done such a thing at E3, it would've been even worse than it is now. Now that would have been a travesty! Still, even with its initial reveal the XB1 console by itself won numerous awards, reviewed better then its competition and had the much better game line up. It also happened to have the best looking game of any generation at launch! The only thing I saw a reason for concern was with the price. Still all things considered, it was the best selling $500 console ever. EVER.

Sure some will disagree with me, but thats a testament to how great the product was/is. A mere gaming console couldn't have accomplished that.
Not to mention that "other" console didnt even have an exterior or controller for the public. I dunno but my opinion, I saw nothing wrong with it personally. Thats my stance on it.

I agree the entertainment features were awesome, that's one of the reasons why the Xbox One fits in with my life style. Since my Media Center broke down, the Xbox One no fulfils most of its features. The only thing missing is the DLNA but that's arriving soon and the circle will be complete. Its awesome to see visitors awestruck at how I control my TV and switch in and out of games. The opening price of the Xbox One was too high for the wider audience and "over priced" for a "weaker console" in the minds of the hard core gamers. The good thing is that due to its architecture (SoC + ESRAM + DDR3) Microsoft should be in a better position to price reduce aggressively. The "on par" price is not good enough for the hard core gamers because they have already decided its the weaker console. If Microsoft can undercut Sony by $50 off the base console in 2015 holiday the Xbox One should be in a very strong position.
 
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I agree the entertainment features were awesome, that's one of the reasons why the Xbox One fits in with my life style. Since my Media Center broke down, the Xbox One no fulfils most of its features. The only thing missing is the DLNA but that's arriving soon and the circle will be complete. Its awesome to see visitors awestruck at how I control my TV and switch in and out of games. The opening price of the Xbox One was too high for the wider audience and "over priced" for a "weaker console" in the minds of the hard core gamers. The good thing is that due to its architecture (SoC + ESRAM + DDR3) Microsoft should be in a better position to price reduce aggressively. The "on par" price is not good enough for the hard core gamers because they have already decided its the weaker console. If Microsoft can undercut Sony by $50 off the base console in 2015 holiday the Xbox One should be in a very strong position.
And Im still confused on how the XBO is "weaker" when it does the EXACT same thing as its competition. Moreso in fact when you consider RYSE which took home an award. Maybe people are taking this hardware crap at face value when its obvious that there is definitely more going on beneath the surface. But I guess its cool to ignore for the console warz sake. I dont think they need to drop the price at all. I think $400 is more then fair considering all the XBO does.
 
I honestly saw nothing wrong with presenting other features of the XB1 before the games. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that games were a huge part of the new console, and they stated that with the first initial reveal. The first impression was actually a very good one! So good in fact, that many thought the features we were seeing with voice and motion control navigating through the UI was a hoax. "Yo, had a remote in his pocket", and such.

I expected games too, being a gamer and all. But I also understood that they would be there in full glory at E3, and it happened just as I predicted. No matter when they revealed the games, they still had the best showing of the bunch. That was pretty much destiny. Microsoft held their own special event, bank rolled by them to show off the entertainment features for the X1 which I think was the perfect time to do so, seeing as if they wouldve done such a thing at E3, it would've been even worse than it is now. Now that would have been a travesty! Still, even with its initial reveal the XB1 console by itself won numerous awards, reviewed better then its competition and had the much better game line up. It also happened to have the best looking game of any generation at launch! The only thing I saw a reason for concern was with the price. Still all things considered, it was the best selling $500 console ever. EVER.

Sure some will disagree with me, but thats a testament to how great the product was/is. A mere gaming console couldn't have accomplished that.
Not to mention that "other" console didnt even have an exterior or controller for the public. I dunno but my opinion, I saw nothing wrong with it personally. Thats my stance on it.

This honestly.

While I love games, more than the next guy. But it's blatantly obvious the X1 will focus on Games. It's the core function of the console. They said games will be at E3, and they were. I think people were just nervous about MS putting games to the side and not making it a top priority. I understand that concern, because MS is in a position to make a huge power play towards the entertainment industry.

I think they're going in the right direction, just needs to make sure they don't forget where they came from.

To that end, how many people actually disconnect their console from the internet, anyway? I've not done it once since Ive had my XBO. I dont think MS were confused about their target audience or their fans about how always online worked. It was pretty clear that they assumed that people left their console always online anyway, which in fact they do. So the 24 check up deal was really non issue for most gamers. The outrage that came from that was ridiculous, and thats putting it nicely. They could literally activate the always online right now, and most gamers with XBO wouldnt know the difference, if any. It was something that happened in the background and not something that would be in your face. It was an awful display of how ignorant and just plain r******d people can be when left to their own devices when it comes to the internet and information. MS was approached by plain ignorance, and wasnt prepared for it.

Maybe MS shouldve just kept their mouths shut instead of giving "gamers" all of that complex information that they had no clue how it worked to begin with, no matter how it was explained. It was like giving a child a loaded gun and hoping he wouldnt blow his own head off. Or rocket scientists trying to explain the workings of launching a space shuttle to football players....take your pick.

My X1 literally hasn't moved since I got it. My internet has gone down a few times, but other than that, I haven't touched it. I'm positive that majority of people that were complaining haven't disconnected or moved their X1's either.
 
This honestly.

While I love games, more than the next guy. But it's blatantly obvious the X1 will focus on Games. It's the core function of the console. They said games will be at E3, and they were. I think people were just nervous about MS putting games to the side and not making it a top priority. I understand that concern, because MS is in a position to make a huge power play towards the entertainment industry.

I think they're going in the right direction, just needs to make sure they don't forget where they came from.



My X1 literally hasn't moved since I got it. My internet has gone down a few times, but other than that, I haven't touched it. I'm positive that majority of people that were complaining haven't disconnected or moved their X1's either.
People are more than nervous and this attitude towards the initial reveal is still prevalent today. People honestly think that because of the TV and entertainment functions re included within the XBO, that its automatically weaker, and MS was/is more concerned about TV and entertainment then games. It's even gone as far as people griping when we hear of entertainment apps or shows, or even third party support, as surely this means MS isnt about the games, and they should spend their money on creating new Ip's (as if that suddenly stopped). The latter part was more conducive as a branch from the initial concern, but the root of the problem (mis information, misconception etc) still rings true. Going by the internet, it isnt too far a stretch that if you'd never seen a game on the XBO, you'd think the games looked undoubtedly inferior, which isnt the case at all. Again, this idea stems from the initial reveal and the entertainment additions to go along WITH the games. It's like Attorney said earlier, "the reaction or mentality surrounding the XBO could be some form of psychosis." It's that far out there. I mean like, Star Trek s***!:confused:
 
Right,basically saying "too bad" to military personnel is way worse than two jobs, especially in your biggest market that has worlds most powerful military
To actually be fair our military has internet at places they have TVs so it really has nothing to do with military personnel.
Well Phil Spencer said it would not be a big change for one so who knows on the DX12. On the cloud again who knows it's it's still in testing seems to be a ways off to be used on the One. Seems most sites are just making up BS about both things when it comes to One to make story's.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/06...explains-expectations-from-1st-party-studios/
The tech demo they showed was from Crackdown, as for latency stuff it makes sense. They said about 30% performance improvement for xbox with DX12.
 
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To actually be fair our military has internet at places they have TVs so it really has nothing to do with military personnel.

The tech demo they showed was from Crackdown, as for latency stuff it makes sense. They said about 30% performance improvement for xbox with DX12.

Anyone bringing up the military in the discussion its just looking for juice for their argument. The only time internet would be an issue would be when deployed. I cant say I did much gaming when I was in Iraq- not much down time. I guess the fobbits would cry some, but who cares about their discomfort, really.
I remember I got my 360 while I was there, but when we did play, it was usually Halo lan battles on OG xbox. We would have just had to wait till ee got home. No biggie. You deal with stuff.

I guess its all moot now anyway. Imma stop pummeling this particularly deceased equine.

Anyone else wonder how much better it would be if we could take screenshots on X1? Then we could enjoy sharing pics instead of talking about this and tombraider for all eternity..
 
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To actually be fair our military has internet at places they have TVs so it really has nothing to do with military personnel.
Some places (major installations) yes, but most, no. The people in the military were talking about playing there XO's while deployed and that was the problem.
 
Anyone bringing up the military in the discussion its just looking for juice for their argument. The only time internet would be an issue would be when deployed. I cant say I did much gaming when I was in Iraq- not much down time. I guess the fobbits would cry some, but who cares about their discomfort, really.
I remember I got my 360 while I was there, but when we did play, it was usually Halo lan battles on OG xbox. We would have just had to wait till ee got home. No biggie. You deal with stuff.

I guess its all moot now anyway. Imma stop pummeling this particularly deceased equine.

Anyone else wonder how much better it would be if we could take screenshots on X1? Then we could enjoy sharing pics instead of talking about this and tombraider for all eternity..

Yes the screenshot feature is sorely missed. You don't know how many times I wanted to take a screenshot but couldn't. It shouldn't be that hard to implement?
 
VaLLiancE nice how you quoted me as starting resolution and vs talk in TR thread when you made multiple posts about it couple of pages before my post. And btw, maybe your spelling would be as bad if you had 4 more languages wondering around in your mind besides English




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Last I remember hearing MS was working on screenshots for future update, to me auto recording is bigger annoyance that it can't be turned off.
 
VaLLiancE nice how you quoted me as starting resolution and vs talk in TR thread when you made multiple posts about it couple of pages before my post. And btw, maybe your spelling would be as bad if you had 4 more languages wondering around in your mind besides English




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Last I remember hearing MS was working on screenshots for future update, to me auto recording is bigger annoyance that it can't be turned off.

Four Languages!? Wow. Props to you. I'm still peddlin' around with one- I started learning Spanish in high school (and got pretty good at it too), but never had occasion to use it- Can't speak a lick of it beyond some counting and a couple words now, lol.

What languages do you speak? I've always kicked around the idea of learning another, but don't really know what would be the most useful. Probably spanish here in the States.
 
The biggest issue with the Xbox One reveal wasn't the content of the presentation but rather the manner in which they opened by talking about TV. If they started off talking about the consoles and games first the reaction wouldn't have been so bad..

Actually the real issue was and is GameSTOP, they knew the DRM issue could cost them a lot of $, and started the
FUD campaign. Actually they still bad mouth X1 and suggest their customers to buy the other console. I've witness this myself, and I'll NEVER buy at those MOFO's any more.

(just my 5c)
 
Four Languages!? Wow. Props to you. I'm still peddlin' around with one- I started learning Spanish in high school (and got pretty good at it too), but never had occasion to use it- Can't speak a lick of it beyond some counting and a couple words now, lol.

What languages do you speak? I've always kicked around the idea of learning another, but don't really know what would be the most useful. Probably spanish here in the States.
Yeah Croatian, English, Serbian, German (forgot half of it as I haven't used it for a while)

Rosetta stone is amazing and best way to learn another. Here in US yes Spanish would be best choice and French.
 
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Yeah Croatian, English, Serbian, German (forgot half of it as I haven't used it for a while)

Rosetta stone is amazing and best way to learn another. Here in US yes Spanish would be best choice and French.

My Wife's family on her Dad's side is all French Canadian, lol. I wonder if that's it's own thing :) I always makes me laugh because they always talk about how much they love Canada, but they all live in the States!
 
Microsoft sent me a code for The Walking Dead Season 2 Episode 1, which was a pleasant surprise.

I now have enough 360 games to keep me going for another 3 years.
 
Actually the real issue was and is GameSTOP, they knew the DRM issue could cost them a lot of $, and started the
FUD campaign. Actually they still bad mouth X1 and suggest their customers to buy the other console. I've witness this myself, and I'll NEVER buy at those MOFO's any more.

(just my 5c)
That is very true because now it just everything on PlayStation bullsh#t ads
 
Microsoft has shared its lineup for PAX Prime 2014. Sunset Overdrive, Halo: The Master Chief Collection, Forza Horizon 2, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Project Spark, Killer Instinct, Ori and the Blind Forest, and project Totem will be playable. Various ID@Xbox titles will be on display, too.

In terms of panels, Halo: The Master Chief Collection will be featured at PAX Prime. There will also be a panel for Major Nelson Radio.

Would be sweet if they show Dragon Age running on Xbox One. I really want to see it on it.
 
VaLLiancE nice how you quoted me as starting resolution and vs talk in TR thread when you made multiple posts about it couple of pages before my post. And btw, maybe your spelling would be as bad if you had 4 more languages wondering around in your mind besides English




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Last I remember hearing MS was working on screenshots for future update, to me auto recording is bigger annoyance that it can't be turned off.

Ms has auto recording going on right now? Yeah, when I was playing max, it would auto save and upload videos for some reason. Thought it was weird .
 
Ms has auto recording going on right now? Yeah, when I was playing max, it would auto save and upload videos for some reason. Thought it was weird .
Yeah it's slick. Devs have an option of having the game flag certain events or accomplishments if they program accordingly. There was a time where I got all these kills and ranked up in like 30 seconds and the dev sees that as something worth sharing. So you don't even have to do the xbox record that nor do you have to snap the built in dvr. You can also disable it too.

Fun stuff.
 
Anyone bringing up the military in the discussion its just looking for juice for their argument. The only time internet would be an issue would be when deployed. I cant say I did much gaming when I was in Iraq- not much down time. I guess the fobbits would cry some, but who cares about their discomfort, really.
I remember I got my 360 while I was there, but when we did play, it was usually Halo lan battles on OG xbox. We would have just had to wait till ee got home. No biggie. You deal with stuff.

I guess its all moot now anyway. Imma stop pummeling this particularly deceased equine.

Anyone else wonder how much better it would be if we could take screenshots on X1? Then we could enjoy sharing pics instead of talking about this and tombraider for all eternity..

Yeah, and as much as i respect and appreciate what our military does to keep us safe. I'd hope they're actually doing their job instead of playing video games anyway. Otherwise we'd all be screwed. And like Dno69 said, thanks for serving man.
 
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