The Last of Us Part 2 - New Trailer Contains Spoilers

Yeah, more than the SJW stuff, I think it’s the “subverting expectations = good writing” mindset they must have had when writing the story. Just because something is shocking or surprising doesn’t mean it’s also creative. Most of the time people are only surprised because they didn’t expect it to be so dumb lol.

That seems to be the case here. If you had asked people what’s the dumbest storyline you can think of for this game, they would have come up with many of the actual plot points in the final game 😂

This seems to be why people are comparing it to the final season of GOT.

Also, this is a problem with zombie-themed media, like Walking Dead. There is always the initial ‘what’s happening’ when the problem first starts, which is exciting, suspenseful, etc. Then the initial survival period happens, which can also be interesting. I think the writing is a bit easier for those times.

But after that, what happens? The fear of the zombies is always there, but the environment becomes more ‘normal.’ So as a writer, how do you keep the audience engaged?
This is the point things can go badly. TWD managed to keep it interesting for awhile, but even that’s long in the tooth now.
 
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This seems to be why people are comparing it to the final season of GOT.

Also, this is a problem with zombie-themed media, like Walking Dead. There is always the initial ‘what’s happening’ when the problem first starts, which is exciting, suspenseful, etc. Then the initial survival period happens, which can also be interesting. I think the writing is a bit easier for those times.

But after that, what happens? The fear of the zombies is always there, but the environment becomes more ‘normal.’ So as a writer, how do you keep the audience engaged?
This is the point things can go badly. TWD managed to keep it interesting for awhile, but even that’s long in the tooth now.
GoTs problem was the hubris of the writers to think they could handle Martin's story without him.
 
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The game developer said the game isn't as bad as they sound. In other news, water is wet.

What he said was that the spoilers people are throwing around are making it seem shallow and it's not, if you've read them which I sadly now have you see that people are ignoring things and propping up other things to be bigger than they are.
 
GoTs problem was the hubris of the writers to think they could handle Martin's story without him.

That and that they rushed the final season so they could hurry up and get to Star Wars which they ended up leaving. That final season could have made a lot more sense had it had a few more episodes.
 
I usually make my male characters wear I tank top if they have defined muscles and there's a choice. Human body is beautiful if taken care of and should be exhibited imo

Her inclusion was clearly just to show off her body, she offered nothing to the story at all. It was dumb, again I have nothing against characters in games being well built or even nudity really but when it's done just for the sake of being a perv that's a bit much. Putting someone in a tank top is one thing, putting them out there in basically an outfit that clearly doesn't work with what she's doing and then pretending you are doing it to shame fighting games for being so sexy or whatever his BS excuse was is just dumb. Would someone doing what she was doing wear that? does it make it easier to shoot people when your nipples are about to pop out and you allow your ass cheeks to stick out of the back of your pants?

I know NetherRealm got a bit too sexy with Mortal Kombat for a while and then they dialed it back so far the other way that a lot of people got pissed. You can be sexy without having a character come out in nothing but nipple paint and a conveniently placed shadow over their crotch :)

I just don't think sex needs to be forced into everything, it makes it hard to convince others that gaming isn't just some teenage boy fantasy thing.
 
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Should've just f***ing released the game on time instead of delaying it.

It wasn't coming out until late May, this would have happened either way, the first delay was necessary or the game wouldn't have been polished enough.
 
It makes the turmoil at the studio make more sense, imo. Every time people start into that Ideology, it is super toxic and by it's own nature spirals down. If you want to see the ultimate culmination of it, check out the Evergreen College story. Benjamin Boyce on Youtube has a very intellectual, very long series on it.

The "turmoil" was about crunch not disagreement with Druckmann's ideology though. Sadly that article that Kotaku put up could have been about dozens of other studios, it's an industry problem but everyone seems to be focusing on ND because that was the only studio that Schreier interviewed people from.
 
to those who’ve seen the spoilers of who the antagonist is, do you think ND is going that route I order to play it safe or is said character influenced by what happened and therefore a reflection of why they are that way? I wanna go into details because I’m pretty sure I’m coming across in a form I’m. It intending to >,< and probably confusing

They aren't playing it safe at all and I think that's what's pissing people off
, those who are claiming it's all about an SJW agenda either haven't read the whole thing or are completely ignoring the bigger picture. The religious fanatics aren't even the main antagonists in the game, their contribution seems to be overblown by people who want to label it SJW stuff, Ellie's sexuality isn't a big deal either other than it's just part of her characters personal story but people are making it out to be that the cult only exists to kill gay people and that's not true.
 
Her inclusion was clearly just to show off her body, she offered nothing to the story at all. It was dumb, again I have nothing against characters in games being well built or even nudity really but when it's done just for the sake of being a perv that's a bit much. Putting someone in a tank top is one thing, putting them out there in basically an outfit that clearly doesn't work with what she's doing and then pretending you are doing it to shame fighting games for being so sexy or whatever his BS excuse was is just dumb. Would someone doing what she was doing wear that? does it make it easier to shoot people when your nipples are about to pop out and you allow your ass cheeks to stick out of the back of your pants?

I know NetherRealm got a bit too sexy with Mortal Kombat for a while and then they dialed it back so far the other way that a lot of people got pissed. You can be sexy without having a character come out in nothing but nipple paint and a conveniently placed shadow over their crotch :)

I just don't think sex needs to be forced into everything, it makes it hard to convince others that gaming isn't just some teenage boy fantasy thing.
Her inclusion was clearly just to show off her body, she offered nothing to the story at all. It was dumb, again I have nothing against characters in games being well built or even nudity really but when it's done just for the sake of being a perv that's a bit much. Putting someone in a tank top is one thing, putting them out there in basically an outfit that clearly doesn't work with what she's doing and then pretending you are doing it to shame fighting games for being so sexy or whatever his BS excuse was is just dumb. Would someone doing what she was doing wear that? does it make it easier to shoot people when your nipples are about to pop out and you allow your ass cheeks to stick out of the back of your pants?

I know NetherRealm got a bit too sexy with Mortal Kombat for a while and then they dialed it back so far the other way that a lot of people got pissed. You can be sexy without having a character come out in nothing but nipple paint and a conveniently placed shadow over their crotch :)

I just don't think sex needs to be forced into everything, it makes it hard to convince others that gaming isn't just some teenage boy fantasy thing.
Oh come on, we both know you'd defend Kojima if he took this route instead;
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Oh come on, we both know you'd defend Kojima if he took this route instead;
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Where did you find that? ROFL Sorry but men in drag are a huge turnoff to me so I would not like that lol. That is hilarious though and it makes about as much sense for him to wear it in combat as it did her lol.
 
Where did you find that? ROFL Sorry but men in drag are a huge turnoff to me so I would not like that lol. That is hilarious though and it makes about as much sense for him to wear it in combat as it did her lol.
I search "mgsv quite" on the Google lol
I honestly didn't remember her being that skinny dressed... I didn't remember seeing through to her panties.
Makes as much sense as Kazuya, Kratos and Zangiefs outfits I guess
 
I search "mgsv quite" on the Google lol
I honestly didn't remember her being that skinny dressed... I didn't remember seeing through to her panties.
Makes as much sense as Kazuya, Kratos and Zangiefs outfits I guess
Well, for hand fighting the less you wear the better (in a "sport" context). That's why Ufc guys basically wear spankies.
 
Looks like Frozpot nailed it (I erased a few minor spoiler details...be warned if you click on the link!):


The Last of Us 2
gameplay leak came from dev that hates its divisiveness

Erina RoseApril 27, 2020
The Last of Us 2 gameplay leak came from dev that hates its divisiveness


Plenty of spoiler ridden footage was leaked online by alleged disgruntled Naughty Dog employee.The Last of Us 2 leaked gameplay footage was supposedly released because they hate the political bias in the game.

Earlier this year Sony DMCA’d a post that alleged to contain the game’s entire plot and, if it was a legitimate leak, it proved to be extremely divisive with some of its far left leaning plot elements.



Troy Baker, the voice actor for Joel in The Last of Us series, later confirmed that the game was super polarising and it could not be thoroughly enjoyed with a closed mind.

“I want people to go in open-minded to this story, and allow Joel and Ellie to tell their story — not the story that people think that they want to be told… If people go in open-minded to this thing, I think they will have a completely different experience than if they go in close-minded,” Troy Baker told Fandom.

People took the leak with a grain of salt since, at that point, it was nothing more than hearsay. However, the recent The Last of Us Part 2 gameplay leak has pretty much confirmed some the original source’s claims which now makes us believe the The Last of Us Part 2 plot leak was, in fact, legitimate.

An anonymous source linked to Nauhgty Dog Inc. reached out to us with the following message regarding The Last of Us 2 gameplay footage leak:

“I don’t doubt, even for a moment, that this leak came from the studio. The Last of Us Part 2 is very divisive and, as you can imagine, some of the team aren’t really thrilled to be working on the game.”
The source goes on to talk about how stale the work environment has been at Naughty Dog and how so many people have had to bite their tongues because ‘cancel culture’ is very much alive inside of the studio.
“Many people would agree with me that this has been one of the worst projects they’ve ever had to work on, and that’s not just because some people disagree with the plot. Even though some of the team members are Christians and don’t necessarily agree with the game’s ‘message’, they are also professionals and can put their personal politics aside to get the job done. What really sucks about all of this is the working environment.”
“The team is very much divided on the game, and even voicing your concerns on its story will upset certain individuals; it usually results in said person being called closed-minded or even phobic, or some such nonsense. Some people literally have to bite their tongues or fear losing their jobs, even careers, to an outrage mob.”
Our source also alleged that the high turnover in staff is because of the reasons mentioned above. “What’s really sad is that nobody is allowed to talk about any of this. Many employees have left Naughty Dog because in-house politics and they are under a strict NDA and absolutely cannot discuss the studio’s ‘productions practices’ secrets. Oops!”

Naughty Dog Inc., has a turnover rate of 70% which skyrocketed around the time The Last of Us Part II went into production. Our source’s claims have been corroborated by a former Naughty Dog animator, Jonathon Cooper, who left them in early October last year.

Jonathon Cooper alleged that Neil Druckmann would force employees to sign a very strict NDA upon leaving Naughty Dog or he’d withhold their final paycheck.
A source added: “It was primarily the senior team that left Naughty Dog and to assume that it’s because of ‘long working hours’ is laughable. Anybody that has ever worked in game development knows that this is crock of s***. Since I can remember, development has always been like this; get to work, chug coffee and don’t leave until you’ve completed the task that you’ve been assigned for the day. It’s a part of the fun. It’s a part of the lifestyle. What’s not fun is working in a toxic environment.”
If you don’t mind politically divisive — and seemingly very linear — games then we strongly recommend that you do your best to avoid any kind of spoilers, especially the The Last of Us Part II gameplay footage leak. If you don’t know what’s coming, you will definitely be shocked.
 
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Apparently this was an earlier plot aspect leak as well. Mmmmkay:


Apparently he beat women..?
That's even worse, though denegrating his character goes right in line with the ideology. Gotta punch at that patriarchy.

Theyll retcon in stuff to make you hate him, blah blah. Abusive behavior was not at all hinted at in the first game (at least before the breakout). He was like besties with his girl. He became ruthless afterward to everyone until Ellie snapped him out of it. Part of the story's greatness was his redemption. Sounds like a s*** show.
 
That's even worse, though denegrating his character goes right in line with the ideology. Gotta punch at that patriarchy.

Theyll retcon in stuff to make you hate him, blah blah. Abusive behavior was not at all hinted at in the first game (at least before the breakout). He was like besties with his girl. He became ruthless afterward to everyone until Ellie snapped him out of it. Part of the story's greatness was his redemption. Sounds like a s*** show.

Let's be honest, we all like Joel because we feel we probably would have made the same choices he did but what he does at the end of the first game really is selfish, it was a terrible choice to have to make and most of us probably feel like we would have done the same thing but what he did wasn't the right thing for everyone it was what he felt was best for the two of them.

Clearly having lost a daughter once before he wasn't about to let Ellie die after how much he had come to love her but her death could have possibly saved the human race. Not only that but he killed a s*** ton of people too lol people who thought they were doing the right thing by trying to save all of the people that they loved. That's one thing that made that game so special, they got you to care enough about the characters that all of the heavy stuff really hits.
 
That's true.... except for kratos, he should wear armor, as should Conan, Golden Axe warrior, Nier guy and Donald duck.

Kratos does wear armor, there are a ton of optional armor sets in god of war and you pretty much have to wear one because they increase stats. I know when we picture Kratos it's with that strap across his chest and that is an option but he has plenty of armor sets for people to choose from. His lower body is dressed appropriately for the timeframe when his character was alive. Plus he's a god so it's not like it's a big deal if he decides to go out shirtless :) Zeus wore a table cloth for crying out loud lol.

 
Looks like Frozpot nailed it (I erased a few minor spoiler details...be warned if you click on the link!):


The Last of Us 2
gameplay leak came from dev that hates its divisiveness

Erina RoseApril 27, 2020
The Last of Us 2 gameplay leak came from dev that hates its divisiveness


Plenty of spoiler ridden footage was leaked online by alleged disgruntled Naughty Dog employee.The Last of Us 2 leaked gameplay footage was supposedly released because they hate the political bias in the game.

Earlier this year Sony DMCA’d a post that alleged to contain the game’s entire plot and, if it was a legitimate leak, it proved to be extremely divisive with some of its far left leaning plot elements.



Troy Baker, the voice actor for Joel in The Last of Us series, later confirmed that the game was super polarising and it could not be thoroughly enjoyed with a closed mind.

“I want people to go in open-minded to this story, and allow Joel and Ellie to tell their story — not the story that people think that they want to be told… If people go in open-minded to this thing, I think they will have a completely different experience than if they go in close-minded,” Troy Baker told Fandom.

People took the leak with a grain of salt since, at that point, it was nothing more than hearsay. However, the recent The Last of Us Part 2 gameplay leak has pretty much confirmed some the original source’s claims which now makes us believe the The Last of Us Part 2 plot leak was, in fact, legitimate.

An anonymous source linked to Nauhgty Dog Inc. reached out to us with the following message regarding The Last of Us 2 gameplay footage leak:

“I don’t doubt, even for a moment, that this leak came from the studio. The Last of Us Part 2 is very divisive and, as you can imagine, some of the team aren’t really thrilled to be working on the game.”
The source goes on to talk about how stale the work environment has been at Naughty Dog and how so many people have had to bite their tongues because ‘cancel culture’ is very much alive inside of the studio.
“Many people would agree with me that this has been one of the worst projects they’ve ever had to work on, and that’s not just because some people disagree with the plot. Even though some of the team members are Christians and don’t necessarily agree with the game’s ‘message’, they are also professionals and can put their personal politics aside to get the job done. What really sucks about all of this is the working environment.”
“The team is very much divided on the game, and even voicing your concerns on its story will upset certain individuals; it usually results in said person being called closed-minded or even phobic, or some such nonsense. Some people literally have to bite their tongues or fear losing their jobs, even careers, to an outrage mob.”
Our source also alleged that the high turnover in staff is because of the reasons mentioned above. “What’s really sad is that nobody is allowed to talk about any of this. Many employees have left Naughty Dog because in-house politics and they are under a strict NDA and absolutely cannot discuss the studio’s ‘productions practices’ secrets. Oops!”

Naughty Dog Inc., has a turnover rate of 70% which skyrocketed around the time The Last of Us Part II went into production. Our source’s claims have been corroborated by a former Naughty Dog animator, Jonathon Cooper, who left them in early October last year.

Jonathon Cooper alleged that Neil Druckmann would force employees to sign a very strict NDA upon leaving Naughty Dog or he’d withhold their final paycheck.
A source added: “It was primarily the senior team that left Naughty Dog and to assume that it’s because of ‘long working hours’ is laughable. Anybody that has ever worked in game development knows that this is crock of s***. Since I can remember, development has always been like this; get to work, chug coffee and don’t leave until you’ve completed the task that you’ve been assigned for the day. It’s a part of the fun. It’s a part of the lifestyle. What’s not fun is working in a toxic environment.”
If you don’t mind politically divisive — and seemingly very linear — games then we strongly recommend that you do your best to avoid any kind of spoilers, especially the The Last of Us Part II gameplay footage leak. If you don’t know what’s coming, you will definitely be shocked.

Obviously we don't now if this is true or not but it wouldn't surprise me, I follow too many game devs on twitter and almost all of them are super woke so it's hardly going to just be a naughty dog thing. I reply to their tweets sometimes on twitter and often times they get offended, Shinobi even muted me because I said people in his industry have gotten far too sensitive and cry "abuse" when someone leaves the slightest bit of constructive criticism, that became too negative for him lol. Those types of people are the worst, they can call people any kind of phobic as a way to shut down any discussion, keeping them from actually having to engage in a discussion with people who disagree with them and somehow not realizing that they are being intolerant themselves. They aren't willing to listen to another point of view without taking it as a personal attack and that's a shame.
 
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Let's be honest, we all like Joel because we feel we probably would have made the same choices he did but what he does at the end of the first game really is selfish, it was a terrible choice to have to make and most of us probably feel like we would have done the same thing but what he did wasn't the right thing for everyone it was what he felt was best for the two of them.

Clearly having lost a daughter once before he wasn't about to let Ellie die after how much he had come to love her but her death could have possibly saved the human race. Not only that but he killed a s*** ton of people too lol people who thought they were doing the right thing by trying to save all of the people that they loved. That's one thing that made that game so special, they got you to care enough about the characters that all of the heavy stuff really hits.

Did he do the wrong thing? There are audio logs that state that they had already done the procedure on multiple people with nothing to show for it. THere was a large chance she'd die for nothing. They also weren't going to give her a chance to even make that decision. Throughout the game they thought it would be like a blood sample or something. She didn't know it would kill her. The Fireflies didn't care. They were crappy people too. The camps were pretty hard, but so was the world and they were trying to survive.

No one had clean hands. That doesn't mean you have to sacrifice your loved ones. I'd have done the exact same thing. Those people didn't have a right to her life. They misled her the whole time about the level of commitment she'd have to give.

His decision was selfish, but so were theirs. They didn't care about her life either, and they didn't care about her consent. At least Joel did. I love that moral grey, but it is exactly that. There is no real right answer so acting like is was wrong is ridiculous.

It doesn't matter anyway, because there are whole sects of people immune in the second one. She'd have died for nothing, and she didn't owe the world her life. Life would have adapted.
 
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This is such a feel good gaming story. I mean do you think they were too stupid to know they were gonna piss off the fans? No, they just didn’t care because they knew they’d get so many preorders and game journalists would eat it up.

Now everyone knows ahead of time and can make an informed decision, and the developers and publishers have to face actual real consequences for their choices. Love it!!!
 
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Did he do the wrong thing? There are audio logs that state that they had already done the procedure on multiple people with nothing to show for it. THere was a large chance she'd die for nothing. They also weren't going to give her a chance to even make that decision. Throughout the game they thought it would be like a blood sample or something. She didn't know it would kill her. The Fireflies didn't care. They were crappy people too. The camps were pretty hard, but so was the world and they were trying to survive.

No one had clean hands. That doesn't mean you have to sacrifice your loved ones. I'd have done the exact same thing. Those people didn't have a right to her life. They misled her the whole time about the level of commitment she'd have to give.

His decision was selfish, but so were theirs. They didn't care about her life either, and they didn't care about her consent. At least Joel did. I love that moral grey, but it is exactly that. There is no real right answer so acting like is was wrong is ridiculous.

It doesn't matter anyway, because there are whole sects of people immune in the second one. She'd have died for nothing, and she didn't owe the world her life. Life would have adapted.

Oh I get all that but it's just a matter of perspective,
the person who's got everyone so upset has a reason to be doing what she's doing as well, we just don't like that they took the story in this direction because we wanted Joel to live.
 
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Link to horrible video?



And yes, she's hot af

It's been taken down. The spoiler videos don't stay online long.

Wtf? That bad?

It is in my opinion. The supposed things they did within the game on top of how they treat their employees and disregard their personal beliefs to push an agenda in the game...it's just wrong.
 
It's been taken down. The spoiler videos don't stay online long.



It is in my opinion. The supposed things they did within the game on top of how they treat their employees and disregard their personal beliefs to push an agenda in the game...it's just wrong.

You have to make compromises when you work for someone else, especially in a creative line of work. It's easier to do when you avoid touchy subjects all together but honestly the stuff that's being pointed out as "SJW" isn't what I have a problem with, I think honestly that's being overblown a bit.
What I have a problem with is the decision they've made creatively with the story telling, I think most people expected Joel to die, hell many thought he was a ghost in the first trailer, none of us wanted that though because we all like him
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I'm still going to buy it and play it, reading someone else's description and not seeing everything in context and in order makes it nearly impossible to get the full impact of what they were going for, if when I see it/play it and it's all executed properly it may be something that I no longer object to.
 
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Kratos does wear armor, there are a ton of optional armor sets in god of war and you pretty much have to wear one because they increase stats. I know when we picture Kratos it's with that strap across his chest and that is an option but he has plenty of armor sets for people to choose from. His lower body is dressed appropriately for the timeframe when his character was alive. Plus he's a god so it's not like it's a big deal if he decides to go out shirtless :) Zeus wore a table cloth for crying out loud lol.

Quite is a goddess in my eyes
 
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Oh I get all that but it's just a matter of perspective,
the person who's got everyone so upset has a reason to be doing what she's doing as well, we just don't like that they took the story in this direction because we wanted Joel to live.

There is truth in that too... however, when I was in Iraq, I didn't hate my foe. We had different ends and we were both gonna kill the other first. Lots of depth, but a wolf isn't wrong for eating the rabbit, and a rabbit is not wrong for denying him. Death of the rabbit benefits the wolf, and vise versa.

Prescribing Joel as making the wrong choice is incorrect. More so because of the circumstances. I see a lot of people saying he's wrong because of virtue signaling when in real life I'd wager that they wouldn't give up their own. And they shouldn't have to. From a natural, individual, and evolutionary standpoint, Ellie has the right to survive. That's beyond Joel's perspective too.
 
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You have to make compromises when you work for someone else, especially in a creative line of work. It's easier to do when you avoid touchy subjects all together but honestly the stuff that's being pointed out as "SJW" isn't what I have a problem with, I think honestly that's being overblown a bit.
What I have a problem with is the decision they've made creatively with the story telling, I think most people expected Joel to die, hell many thought he was a ghost in the first trailer, none of us wanted that though because we all like him
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I'm still going to buy it and play it, reading someone else's description and not seeing everything in context and in order makes it nearly impossible to get the full impact of what they were going for, if when I see it/play it and it's all executed properly it may be something that I no longer object to.
I disagree with the caveat that I'm going by leaks and what I've consistently observed from the ideology. Hell, Druckman even mentions Anita Sarkeesian as inspirational. Shudder. The more I learn the more I think I'm right. It's not just standard SJW, but the all the underpinnings. 3rd/4th wave feminism, Critical theory, and post modernism all have their fingerprints in evidence. It's Intersectionality and the hallmarks are all over modern media.
 
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I disagree with the caveat that I'm going by leaks and what I've consistently observed from the ideology. Hell, Druckman even mentions Anita Sarkeesian as inspirational. Shudder. The more I learn the more I think I'm right. It's not just standard SJW, but the all the underpinnings. 3rd/4th wave feminism, Critical theory, and post modernism all have their fingerprints in evidence. It's Intersectionality and the hallmarks are all over modern media.

Being influenced by Sarkeesian is a bad thing for sure, Druckmann is clearly a "white knight" but those people are always fakes, they don't do what they do to help people they do it to try to score social points and get praise for themselves. If this game ends up doing poorly it'll be a HUGE missed opportunity, they had to be counting on this thing selling over 10 million copies easy. I'm still hopeful that the storytelling will be done well enough for me to enjoy the game, if not oh well but I do hope Druckmann either gets reigned in or fired if this thing flops. The guy is a talented storyteller he just needs to check his ego.
 
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