The Last of Us Part 2 - New Trailer Contains Spoilers
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Sarkeesian touched Mass Effect Ando. & see how well that went. God forbid we have attractive well-bodied females & males in a video game that took place in a fantasy setting.
If woman want to buff up dude croft with little clothing, let them have it I said.
What's his name? LOL jk
I have been thinking about the "Delusion of moral superiority", which I have seen this in many "Activists/SJWs
Imagine if your boss called in everyone to watch a presentation on why you shouldn't abuse your children, & at end of the video, your boss told you, I hope after watching the video, you will stop abusing your kids." You go like " who here is abusing kids, why shows us that!", then he went, "If you don't abuse your kids, why are you upset, do you have an issue with message of no child abuse, you hate children?"
A classic IRL example is the Gillette ad.
The reason why many people dislike sjws activism, not because we don't agree with them necessary (often, the core ideas are agreeable) , but more so the of them thinking they are morally highlanders lecturing us as if we are morally inferior & bad people & needed to be educated, & when you called them out, they labeled you as bigot, & the only reason you oppose them because you are a bad person.
Imagine if your boss called in everyone to watch a presentation on why you shouldn't abuse your children, & at end of the video, your boss told you, I hope after watching the video, you will stop abusing your kids." You go like " who here is abusing kids, why shows us that!", then he went, "If you don't abuse your kids, why are you upset, do you have an issue with message of no child abuse, you hate children?"
A classic IRL example is the Gillette ad.
The reason why many people dislike sjws activism, not because we don't agree with them necessary (often, the core ideas are agreeable) , but more so the of them thinking they are morally highlanders lecturing us as if we are morally inferior & bad people & needed to be educated, & when you called them out, they labeled you as bigot, & the only reason you oppose them because you are a bad person.
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Apparently this was an earlier plot aspect leak as well. Mmmmkay:
Troy Baker hints Joel has a dark past & possibly hurt women/girls in TLoU
In an interview with Fandom, voice actor, Troy Baker, claims Joel has dark past in The Last of Us 2 that 'close-minded' people won't like.www.sausageroll.com.au
Apparently he beat women..?
If this is true this absolutely goes along with the SJW ideology they are pumping into TLOU2.....im starting to second guess buying this game.
wow, I didn’t even play the first game, but it seems to suggest that are sacrificing the well loved protagonist of first game to Alter of JSWs.
anyway a conspiracy theory. They mentioned the game was delayed infinitely due to c.virus, but once the leaked was exposed, they change release to June, like a month time. Game typical went gold about a month befor related for approval, CDing and shipping. Meaning the game is pretty much completed, so why delay initially? You can make argument that they wanted the pandemic to be over before release for max sales, but then, if so you would have said so, as people will understand. My theory is that the Game is not well received due to the controversies & they wanted to make corrections. But the leaks forced their hand.
but then, it’s just my theory.
It was hours after the leak that they changed the date to a few weeks afterwards, not a month.
Well this certainly become a huge clusterf*** for ND and Sony.
Considering I had problems with the final Avengers movie regarding their gender "progressiveness" that none other seemed to care about, I'm afraid this game will crash and burn for me....
Going from being my absolute favorite story driven game of all time to, what seems to be, a sjw slap to my face is terrible tbh
Also, haven't watched any spoilers yet
Considering I had problems with the final Avengers movie regarding their gender "progressiveness" that none other seemed to care about, I'm afraid this game will crash and burn for me....
Going from being my absolute favorite story driven game of all time to, what seems to be, a sjw slap to my face is terrible tbh
Also, haven't watched any spoilers yet
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That’s a great point. I’ve also felt like stories are now being written in specific ways too deflect any possible criticism. It’s what I’m calling The Rian Johnson Defense lol. It’s basically writing a story including 2 elements, trashing a major character or storyline for shock value and the shifting all or part of the spotlight to anyone but a straight white male so that you can label your critics. Examples...
Infinity War: After 10 years of buildup Thanos is quickly killed in the first act by black panther alone, who then makes a heel turn and becomes the villain that assembled the infinity stones. Now anyone who doesn’t like it is either a fanboy who can’t handle their expectations being subverted or a racist that is mad that the new villain is black.
Halo: In the beginning of Halo 2 master chief is paralyzed and the new protagonist is a robot controlled by Cortana. Don’t like it? Well again you are either a fanboy or are intimidated by powerful female characters.
You can do it with any popular franchise lol
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It goes back to the old saying, it's not just what you say it's how you say it. Nobody wants to be screamed at or lectured, having serious discussions where both sides listen with an open mind is the only way to make real progress on any issue. Screaming and talking down to people just makes them dig in harder, if they feel disrespected why should the respect anything the other person has to say? I think sadly almost all of us are guilty of that in some way at some point and we need to be more mindful of that.
Yeah two movies in a row they had to have the big female team up during the middle of ta battle and it really came off as forced especially in Endgame. Of course the counter to that would be "well it's pretty much all male team ups the rest of the time" which is true too and if you look at the stats it's basically 60/40 male to female when it comes to Marvel's fanbase to a good amount of female characters is warranted, they just need to use them better.
The endgame scene came across as a nod to a possible future movie but also an old comic and team-up(s).
Did people get all worked up when Harely Quin and Posion Ivy went out for a night in the ancient episode of Batman The Animated Series, in the the early nineties?
Did people get all worked up when Harely Quin and Posion Ivy went out for a night in the ancient episode of Batman The Animated Series, in the the early nineties?
Was there a lot of anger at the Endgame scene? I just thought people found it easy to make fun of because it came off as unnatural and a little goofy.
I guess there was some, there were articles about it but never went deeper than the headline...I enjoyed it myself. Kevin Fige even confirmed that Captain Marvel was OP and stronger than Thanos, he even had to activate a stone to get her away.
The biggest issue I had was the need for them to make Thor a miserable, emotional, comfort eating fat idiot that needed a black, bisexual woman to take care of his kingdom. Through in a random 10 sec dialogue with a guy never seen before or after about his dead boyfriend which leads to him crying, forced scenes of Hawkeyes daughter being trained by him and more.
I have zero problems with women, gays, trans, ebonies etc but this just feels forced af and I think it made the movie worse because of it.
Yes, white men have emotions, women can be strong, there's gay people in society, ebony people can lead instead of white men etc but my gods marvel you really must've had a checklist that you neurotically tried to check off by searching for space to shove in the necessary progressiveness.
There have been many female-centric & minority strong characters since forever. Wasn't Will Smith once the biggest box office star with hits after hits!
Aliens, Charlie Angel, Kill Bill, underworld, Resident evil (One of greatest movie franchise). No one had an issue. You know why? They were not pushing the agenda of diversity or women empowerment. I don't remember the 90s charlie Angels goes around making men look bad. I don't remember articles about how Will Smith was celebrated just because he is black. People celebrated Will Smith for his talent. Simpler time.
Will Smith once said no one in the film industry works harder than him, if they do, he will work even harder. That's why he is successful.
the girl was already queer in the comics, it was hinted to in Thor ragnarok, which the director did state Disney didn’t him total creative freedom and nixed a piece of that story but. The guy, which was the direct of endgame, was supposed to represent how life is trying but also struggling to get back to normal after “the snap”. And the scene with Hawkeye was to let you know where he was during the snap and how far someone could stray when broken and alone. I just don’t feel these are scenes where Marvel has an agenda, just scenes that viewers choose to single out when they feel they can’t relate or understand.
even starseeker brings up points of how this has been happening in the past. Look at Star Wars a new hope, did people feel the scenes where Leía held a blaster and held her own and say George Lucas held an agenda as a SJW. Or about Ridley Scott with Aliens, or tomb raider (fun fact she was originally Hispanic but changed her ethnicity because people couldn’t pronounce her name).
Just my perspective though, digging the insight you folk bring in understanding and such...
I know she's already a set character in the comics, it's the whole making Thor an emotional wreck and then relaying on her to take over his kingdom that feels forced imothe girl was already queer in the comics, it was hinted to in Thor ragnarok, which the director did state Disney didn’t him total creative freedom and nixed a piece of that story but. The guy, which was the direct of endgame, was supposed to represent how life is trying but also struggling to get back to normal after “the snap”. And the scene with Hawkeye was to let you know where he was during the snap and how far someone could stray when broken and alone. I just don’t feel these are scenes where Marvel has an agenda, just scenes that viewers choose to single out when they feel they can’t relate or understand.
even starseeker brings up points of how this has been happening in the past. Look at Star Wars a new hope, did people feel the scenes where Leía held a blaster and held her own and say George Lucas held an agenda as a SJW. Or about Ridley Scott with Aliens, or tomb raider (fun fact she was originally Hispanic but changed her ethnicity because people couldn’t pronounce her name).
Just my perspective though, digging the insight you folk bring in understanding and such...
I love alien, tomb raider, SW etc, they don't feel forced like most Disney and marvel movies (and comics) have felt the past years. It's an Hollywood agenda to show that they are woke, it's cringy as f*** considering most all of the elites knew what Weinstein was doing and still openly calling him "God" and a father figure. Ricky Gervais hit the nail on the head at his last Golden Globe speech.
Yeah its 2 disc for physical release.
I broke down and looked at the high level story leaks for LOU2. Not enough details to comment on political or social aspects as they relate to this game but enough to know I think I'm going to hate the story.
Disconnected from the details and nuances of LoU2 storytelling, I do think it's cool that a lesbian women can be normalized as a main character. In the long run, representation does impact the general populations exposure and eventual acceptance of types of people they may not see in their every-day life. That said, I think the terms SJW and bigots are both over-used by people's who's agenda is more about themself than actually improving the ability of our society to communicate, get along and let people live as themselves. Anna Sarkeesian comes off as a narcissistic, sociopath who's actions hurt the causes she claims to help for her own selfish benefits. These types of people exist in both extremes and you don't have to choose either. So without delving into the details of LoU2, I caution people listening to those who may twist things to their own agendas without more context. Getting preachy turns characters into props while diminishing their presence. Casting stereotypes to other groups just forces people back into their bubbles. Stereotyping or casting Christians as hateful homophobes takes the same disease, mindset, or root cause of discrimination and applies it from another angle. I hope these are not the tacts that ND took.
However...all that may not matter as it relates to me playing LoU2. Without spoiling anything, I hate what I've read. Maybe some nuances will change my mind and I'm leaving the door slightly open. I played LoU for the first time 2 years ago and it became one of my favorite gaming experiences this generation. The relationship development between Joel and Ellie felt well earned and I loved this f***ed up take on a Daddy/Daughter road trip. Last of Us wasn't a bright story but it did have silver linings of hope, love and sacrifice...and everything built up logically.
We're now in this age of subverting expectations. It's like writers have realized the audience has gotten too good at picking up the details of where a story is going so in order to surprise the audience, they take wild turns that do not follow the rules of their story, characters or universe up to that point. This is what I believe LoU2 may be doing. It's the Last Jedi or final season of Game of Thrones. Surprises don't seem earned. Character decisions seems as earned as a WWE heel/face turn.
This is going to be the technical masterpiece of the gen. Probably the next step of blending movie and videogame. No doubt it will be something to marvel and something you'll remember. I'm just questioning if I want to remember LoU based on where it left off in the last game.
Disconnected from the details and nuances of LoU2 storytelling, I do think it's cool that a lesbian women can be normalized as a main character. In the long run, representation does impact the general populations exposure and eventual acceptance of types of people they may not see in their every-day life. That said, I think the terms SJW and bigots are both over-used by people's who's agenda is more about themself than actually improving the ability of our society to communicate, get along and let people live as themselves. Anna Sarkeesian comes off as a narcissistic, sociopath who's actions hurt the causes she claims to help for her own selfish benefits. These types of people exist in both extremes and you don't have to choose either. So without delving into the details of LoU2, I caution people listening to those who may twist things to their own agendas without more context. Getting preachy turns characters into props while diminishing their presence. Casting stereotypes to other groups just forces people back into their bubbles. Stereotyping or casting Christians as hateful homophobes takes the same disease, mindset, or root cause of discrimination and applies it from another angle. I hope these are not the tacts that ND took.
However...all that may not matter as it relates to me playing LoU2. Without spoiling anything, I hate what I've read. Maybe some nuances will change my mind and I'm leaving the door slightly open. I played LoU for the first time 2 years ago and it became one of my favorite gaming experiences this generation. The relationship development between Joel and Ellie felt well earned and I loved this f***ed up take on a Daddy/Daughter road trip. Last of Us wasn't a bright story but it did have silver linings of hope, love and sacrifice...and everything built up logically.
We're now in this age of subverting expectations. It's like writers have realized the audience has gotten too good at picking up the details of where a story is going so in order to surprise the audience, they take wild turns that do not follow the rules of their story, characters or universe up to that point. This is what I believe LoU2 may be doing. It's the Last Jedi or final season of Game of Thrones. Surprises don't seem earned. Character decisions seems as earned as a WWE heel/face turn.
This is going to be the technical masterpiece of the gen. Probably the next step of blending movie and videogame. No doubt it will be something to marvel and something you'll remember. I'm just questioning if I want to remember LoU based on where it left off in the last game.
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I miss games that just had basic storylines with amazing gameplay that were fun and provided a way to escape reality. I wish they would've just made TLoU as a single game and created a new game with what they're doing here. I just don't think I'll be able to give this game a chance after what I've read so far.
Yeah this stuff needs to be handled in a subtle realistic way not a forced "Did you see it, we did it" kind of BS way that so many people in the entertainment industry are handling things.
I agree about fat That was a bit much, as far as the gay character I don't even remember there being one so that shows how impactful that was lol.
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the girl was already queer in the comics, it was hinted to in Thor ragnarok, which the director did state Disney didn’t him total creative freedom and nixed a piece of that story but. The guy, which was the direct of endgame, was supposed to represent how life is trying but also struggling to get back to normal after “the snap”. And the scene with Hawkeye was to let you know where he was during the snap and how far someone could stray when broken and alone. I just don’t feel these are scenes where Marvel has an agenda, just scenes that viewers choose to single out when they feel they can’t relate or understand.
even starseeker brings up points of how this has been happening in the past. Look at Star Wars a new hope, did people feel the scenes where Leía held a blaster and held her own and say George Lucas held an agenda as a SJW. Or about Ridley Scott with Aliens, or tomb raider (fun fact she was originally Hispanic but changed her ethnicity because people couldn’t pronounce her name).
Just my perspective though, digging the insight you folk bring in understanding and such...
That's because in those old movies strong women were just that, strong women and they picked actresses that came across as strong women. Being a strong woman doesn't mean putting men in their place, being stronger than a man or tearing a man down in some way. Princess Leia was strong, yeah she was mouthy but it was kind of funny, she had an ego but she wasn't bringing up that they were men she just basically took charge without making it about gender. Lois Lane in the old superman movies was another strong woman, they knew how to make her look strong without hitting people over the head with the fact that she was a woman, it's like they knew we had eyeballs and could see the obvious stuff for ourselves lol.
There have been strong women in all forms of entertainment since the beginning, when the Wonder Woman movie came out every other interview with a woman was about how "We have never a strong woman like this in a movie or on tv before" It's like they didn't know Wonder Woman was a tv series, the bionic woman, Buffy the Vampire Slayer or that we've had strong female lead characters on television and in movies for a long time. Going to more grounded versions of strong women on tv we've had a lot of shows with strong female lead characters like Roseanne, Murphy Brown, Designing Women, Golden Girls, One Day at a Time, Alice , Mary Tyler Moore and many more.